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Why is completion percentage more important than QB Rating, YPA, TD:INT etc?
It's not. But he's not going to hit three 50+ yard throws every game. I give him credit for making the tough throws today. In the long run, he'll also have to start making the easy ones.Why is completion percentage more important than QB Rating, YPA, TD:INT etc?
No one is doing that. Favreco just keeps posting garbage about "in time". Despite the fact that Tebow just threw for more yards against the Steelers than have been thrown on them all season - in a playoff game.No, it doesn't make Tebow the best QB ever, nor does it put him next to Elway. It does suggest that this season's success may very well be a non-fluke. Poise in high pressure situations is an important QB skill as well - and he has shown to have that - in spades. He posted one of the best games of the season when it was win or go home. That says something about his ability.
I was just curious because ever since he took the starting job you've been talking completion percentage and little else.Of course he won't complete 3 50+ yd throws each game. On the other hand he's young and the deep throw takes advantage of his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. I think he'll probably get better at reading defenses and we'll see more traditional throws sooner or later.It's not. But he's not going to hit three 50+ yard throws every game. I give him credit for making the tough throws today. In the long run, he'll also have to start making the easy ones.Why is completion percentage more important than QB Rating, YPA, TD:INT etc?
Who is the next John Elway?Give Tebow the credit he deserves for proving to himself and anyone that has doubted him that he can win big games against good teams while throwing the ball.Tebow still has a long ways to go as I have said since the beginning but he has clearly showed enough this season to be given ample opportunity to be the long term answer going forward. I mean people were saying Quinn was going to come in and get playing time today. This also allows Denver to move forward drafting players to upgrade their team that are not QB's.
I beleive Raider Nation brought it up the post before mine. You have to be like 12 years old.So you have migrated from 'he just win's and other useless trivia to 'he just threw for blah blah blah'. Good job.
There was a reason or those statements. The didn't just make them up.NBC Sports reports multiple sources say that Denver Broncos HC John Fox is prepared to bench QB Tim Tebow, if he struggles once again in the wildcard game against the Steelers. As one source explained it, Broncos players don’t regard the development as a big deal. It’s no surprise that Tebow hasn’t been the same guy lately, with as many turnovers in the last two games (six) as he had in all of the prior 10 games combined. Indeed, it’s smart coaching by Fox to be ready to do whatever needs to be done to win. So if/when the Steelers put the clamps on Tebow, get ready for the first appearance from QB Brady Quinn in a Broncos uniform in anything other than a preseason game.
Noted.Congratulations to The Tebow and The Tebow Supporters. He had a really nice game today.
I'll give him all of that but I still don't think he's the answer at QB. Cue DoubleG to attack my response.
I don't think he's out of line by saying "Let's be fair" - because it was a severely wounded Steelers team. We won and hell - I'll take it. This was great. But I still know that we haven't proven that we can beat a team with a good offense. Pitt struggled badly in the first half. Second half Pitt still didn't play well but were able to catch up.We won today because our TEAM played a helluva game. Our coaches coached a helluva game. Tebow did what he was supposed to just like our O-line, WRs, Defense (for the most part) and our RBs.I'm not complaining one bit but I also know we ran into a badly injured team today. But hey, it's the NFL and injuries happen. I'm not shedding any tears for the Steelers.
First season of what?
Yes and these reports I feel were ridiculous.You are going to bench your young QB for a guy that has not played a snap all season? I mean sure Tebow did not play well but he obviously is the guy that has taken them to this position. You need to allow young QB's to take their bumps along the way.
A couple things - the guy has less than one season of startshe won his first playoff game and looked good doing itthe qb always gets too much credit/blame for wins and losses
I'm not sure he's the long term answer either
Didn't dispute any of those things in my post. I was just responding to the "Let's be fair" part of an earlier post. My post was more about our team than any one individual. I actually am fine with that, as well. Every player has his part to play.
Same here. Quinn would have ben a disaster even trying to throw towards Ike Taylor. That guy hasn't seen a field in forever and to put him in a playoff game. Forget it Only way he was sniffing the filed was injury or total blowout which was impossible with Ben R. in the shape he was in.
I agree to a point - lot's of guys would struggle going into NE in round 2. Heck look at Matt Ryan today.
By the way, this report was debunked by local radio before the game. I think it was started by that idiot Glazer. He saw Quinn take some snaps. But Quinn does that all the time. Former players on radio were chuckling at that report when they heard it.
New England's defense is one of the worst I've seen in years. It's awful.
Here's my take. With the way QB's and WR's protected and with the ungawldy number of penalty saving drives, you have to put up points galore in this league now. The guys that can do that make their teams contenders. GB, NO, NE, and to a point NYG, DET now. Once you come up against them, you have to put your track shoes on. SF with their power D, struggled vs Eli at home and they have to travel to GB if GB wins and they upset NO....which I don't see. NO is outta control right now. THe question? Can he do that? Matt Ryan can't right now. Good QB. Franchsie QB but rigt now, he ca't keep his tema in games when points are being put up. THe D's are handcuffed like never before. I'll be shocked if the SB winner is not NO, GB, NE or NYG in that order.
He hasn't proven much of anything. He had a poor year overall. Only completed 46.5% of his passes for 6.38 yards per throw during the regular season. Those are among the worst numbers of any QB in the NFL. Bear in mind that he posted these poor numbers despite having minimal responsibility (he ranked dead last among NFL starters in pass attempts per game). Tim Tebow might become a good starter, but he did not have a good year. The stats don't lie.
You also said Tebow would get crushed this game and this thread would be locked for good. I don't know what makes you so credible with anything at this stage.
From what I can tell, here's how it went down.Brady Quinn took 2 snaps with the first team offense in each practice this week, which apparently the backup QB has done for every Denver practice all season. Apparently PFT (and a lot of other people) didn't know they always did it and reported Quinn taking snaps with the 1st team offense in an intentionally vague manner to try and stir up controversy and drive traffic to their site. Simms actually laughed about it during the game, saying that he was at the practices and Quinn only took the same snaps in practice that he has all season.Meanwhile, there was a separate report from Jay Glazer that Quinn would be used in 3rd down passing situations and could come in full-time if Tebow struggled early. I have no idea where he got that info but he was probably just jumping on the bandwagon, as Denver had 3rd and long on each of the 1st two possessions and Quinn never so much as put on a helmet. That also means that the second part of his report (Tebow will be benched if he struggles early) was probably equally fabricated, but we'll never know.
Did I say that? I just scanned my previous posts and I said Pittsburgh would win. None of what you added, did I say. So who is credible here and who is making things up? Didn't know I could lock threads. That was a joke. Will this thread die. Yeah, someday and I'll be the final poster. That part I have said.
The only stat that ultimately matters is W's. There are only eight quarterbacks still playing football next week and Tebow's one of 'em. People can knock him all they want - and I've been critical of him in this very thread - but at the end of the day he's still playing football with guys like Rodgers, Brees and Brady. I don't know how good Tebow is going to be but that counts for something in my book. It actually counts for a lot.
They get a lot of TOs, they don't let up a lot of points. They let up a lot of yards but so do all the good offenses because the opposing team is throwing a lot and playing from behind a lot.They're not a great defense, they're probably not even a good defense. But they're not the worst in the NFL this year much less the worst in years.In fact, I'd argue that the Patriots have a better defense than the Broncos.
I just heard about it in passing on the radio. This explains it much better and jibes with everything I know about the team's doings this past week. Thanks for sorting it out a bit better.
Sure - but it's a playoff atmosphere and you will probably be chasing points.
Doesn't some folks believe this is what Denver wanted people to think??? Make PIT prepare for both QBS? If you know Tebow is your guy, why not leak this info hoping they take the bait. It was the first thing I thought of when I heard the news.
No chance it was a misinformation campaign by the Broncos to make the Steelers plan for a Quinn contingency?
So you think Sanchez is a great QB then? The Broncos won 8 games during the regular season and finished third in their division in point differential. In other words, they're a mediocre team that squeaked into the playoffs on a technicality. In most other years/most other divisions, they don't even get this far. I'm not going to take anything away from some of the great throws Tebow made today, but it's not correct to give him credit for Denver's wins. Even if it were, 8-8 with a first round playoff win doesn't qualify as an elite season. Tebow played poorly for most of the season and benefited from quite a lot of circumstantial luck.
He has not proven much of anything? Comical. He has proven that he can win a big playoff game and throw for 300 yards doing so against one of the best defences in the league with a HOF coordinator. Sure you may point to only completeing 10 passes, but he also had 2 bad drops, a few throw aways, and he did have a couple of bad throws in there as well. He also ran for 50 yards and a score as well to help his team get that win. Anyone that watched that game would be fooling themselves to say that Tebow has not proven anything this season. To not realize how great of a game Tebow actually played today is dumb. Look Tebow is not Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Eli, Brady and company and will never be that type of a thrower. But he has proven that this team can win big games against contendors going forward. He has also proven that he can make NFL throws.Tebow has a long ways to go but he has proven that he at least has the ability to do so. Whether he does it or not is one thing. But come on not prove anything? pffff.
That's amazing.How do you not trip - the way you back pedal so fast?
No although he does deserve credit for helping lead a team to the AFC Title Game two seasons in a row. That's not easy to do but Sanchez did it. Please note I never said Tebow's a great QB. I said that wins count for a lot in my book - especially playoff wins. The fact is Tebow has less than a full season of NFL starts under his belt and he's already won a playoff game. You can certainly point to a number of stats that suggest Tebow had a poor season. But when you look at the team's record with him as a starter and the fact it's one of only eight teams still alive in the playoffs, it's quite easy to say he actually has done well so far this season - certainly better than a lot of people anticipated.
You do realize that this is his first (nearly full) season as a starter, right? So he's 1-for-1 in terms of leading teams to the playoffs. That's not a bad start.
There's no reason to discuss anything with you since you never make any sense and can't read.That's amazing.How do you not trip - the way you back pedal so fast?
Yes will likely have the last post in this thread - because so many people will have you on ignore by then many of us wont even have noticed you had posted.
Is 6.38 ypa really that poor for a 1st year starter? Sam Bradford's was 6.0 last year and it was considered a phenomenal rookie year. Stafford's was 6.0, Peyton 6.5, Brady 6.9, Mcnabb 4.4, Brees 6.2, etc.And for kicks, Tebow's TD/INT ratio was ahead of all those guys and his QB rating was ahead of all except Brady.I know you've been harping on completion percentage a lot and I agree he'll need to get that up, but it seems a bit unfair to take that number at face value. Tebow throws an exhorbitant number of his balls downfield so you expect the competition percentage to at least be a bit lower. His yards per completion led the NFL this year.I think completion percentage is a bit overblown, especially by you. Who do you want, the guy that went 24/41 for 199yds with 0 TDs today or the guy who went 10/21 for 315yds and 2 TDs?The all-time leader in completion percentage in NFL history is Chad Pennington. Matt Schaub, Carson Palmer, Brian Griese, Marc Bulger, Shaun Hill, and David Garrard are all in the top 20. Even guys like Jason Campbell, Damon Huard, Chad Henne, Jon Kitna, Tim Couch, and David Carr aren't far behind that.I'm not sure why you've decided that completion percentage is among the two most important QB stats in the last few years (you use it in the Roethisberger argument as well). Almost half of the top 40 QBs in all-time completion percentage are journeymen/backups/garbage.
That's a very good point and there's no question Tebow's future is uncertain. I think the primary point of emphasis is that his present is looking pretty damn good again and it's looked pretty good for the most part this season. He's done well as a starter. Where he goes from here and how good he ultimately becomes remains to be seen.
Especially since he was given the reigns at 1-4.They were lucky to be in a the terrible division for sure, but winning 6 in a row did not hurt either. And winning your first playoff game in pretty impressive fashion against a good defense certainly proves something.
They got beat and that's the bottom line.
