Shooting At Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater (1 Viewer)

[OldBill]

why wouldn't this dude off himself?Why Sandusky and this guy haven't offed themselves is beyond me... there is nothing even remotely positive that can come from their lives moving forward.

Sandusky - denial.Holmes - possibly seeking the attention he didn't get from parents/peers/women.....?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Willing to bet that once again we will hear of a guy from a broken home, wasn't sure how to deal with a girlfriend breakup etc.....just another reason that you need to support friends and family.....most of the people that do this stuff feel alone, unimportant and see this as a way of getting that attention....not an excuse but I really don't see how this gets fixed with gun laws, increased security etc....its about paying attention to people and prioritizing them over all the stuff our society now finds important. Yet another wakeup call to people....quit playing with all of your phones, computers and pay attention to those you care about.....

He either just flunked out of or dropped out of medical school. There was some type of stress related to or stemming from that I would think.

 

[ffldrew]

Nice cop out.

There's no need for this.

Then answer the question. From what I can tell this guy hasn't been on anyone's radar re: mental issues his entire life. How would we possibly have detected this? Give me one plausible scenario. How would it work? Are we going to do mental health evaluations of EVERY person in the country? If so, how frequently? And if we even slightly suspect they might be a danger how do we approach it if they haven't done anything wrong and don't want treatment? Are you going to force it on them? I just think it's a cop out to use this tragic situation to suggest that it could have been prevented had we "done more." Because in this case I don't think there was anything that would have prevented this.

Even the co-worker that helped police investigate my brother felt she'd gather evidence that would clear him. She couldn't fathom that he could be violent. He was just quiet and awkward.

I'm not sure how we could detect this given the current state of affairs with our mental health system and how society treats those when they a person runs into problems- it needs a 180 degree turnaround in my opinion. We need to start better processes and protocols that start with recognition of symptoms - and that continues on into cures/mitigation - right now we seem to just do what we can and get you out of the system as soon as we can because we try to "look away" - it's seen as being a failure and when you get tagged as a failure you are starting to drown in this world we live in. We kick you out because of the cost factor and because it's hard, real hard to find a "cure". We as a society don't do the real hard things well - just look at all the hard questions asked above.But it is not a cop out to ask these questions - far, far from it - something could have helped, even here. Someone looked the other way somewhere along the way.

 

[ATC1]

Weird question, but has anyone posted a picture of the gunman yet? Facebook page? Myspace page?

Don't think there is one yet. Honestly. I searched.

IMHO, the best way to try to prevent these things is to not allow any information on the shooter to the public. Don't let this guy get his 15 minutes. Tough to do.

Impossible to do, unless they just take him out back and shoot him. He's going to have his day in court, what he says will go on public record and get reported.

Yet, the victims of Sandusky can go unnamed.

oh my

I understand there is a law, and the importance of protecting their right to privacy, that is not where I am going with this. The media frenzy does not help future occurrences by giving this guy what he wants.

 

[netnalp]

Seems to me it took a little time for the VT shooters history to come to light. We don't really know what he has done. Absence of a criminal record doesn't mean an absence of a mental record. Those are private and protected by law. So we may want to wait before we say he did or didn't show signs. Heck it could be something organic that just came on for all we know or he could have been torturing animals since he was a kid. We just don't know. But I have no problem labeling a guy who goes into a theater and shoots dozens of strangers mentally ill.

Couldn't he have just been an angry, angry man? Bill Ayers killed people. Is he mentally ill?

That kind of anger is a mental illness. And really I don't want to start another political fight so I'll leave the Ayers thing alone.

I would post the wide eyed laughing icon but it just doesn't seem appropriate in this thread. But I've never heard of people being angry being called a mental illness.

The guy could just be an evil, angry SOB. It doesn't necessarily mean he has some sort of mental illness.

Even if he was it is entirely possible that he hadn't shown signs that would have caused concern that he was violent.

 

[identikit]

Willing to bet that once again we will hear of a guy from a broken home, wasn't sure how to deal with a girlfriend breakup etc.....just another reason that you need to support friends and family.....most of the people that do this stuff feel alone, unimportant and see this as a way of getting that attention....not an excuse but I really don't see how this gets fixed with gun laws, increased security etc....its about paying attention to people and prioritizing them over all the stuff our society now finds important. Yet another wakeup call to people....quit playing with all of your phones, computers and pay attention to those you care about.....

This has nothing to do with people paying too much attention to their phones and computers or any other changes to society or advances in technology of whatever. Before those things existed, people just paid attention to other things when they didn't want to deal with or support their friends and family. Things like this just happen. There's no way to fix it.

Spot on.

 

[Rayderr]

Weird question, but has anyone posted a picture of the gunman yet? Facebook page? Myspace page?

Don't think there is one yet. Honestly. I searched.

IMHO, the best way to try to prevent these things is to not allow any information on the shooter to the public. Don't let this guy get his 15 minutes. Tough to do.

Impossible to do, unless they just take him out back and shoot him. He's going to have his day in court, what he says will go on public record and get reported.

Yet, the victims of Sandusky can go unnamed.

Victim protection laws.

No 15 minutes for you Law in the making?

No, but feel free to write your congressman and suggest it. But I think on a whole, people would be very uncomfortable if the statements of the accused are shrouded in secrecy.

 

[Tecumseh]

Normally, I'm a CNN viewer during breaking news events, but their coverage has been pretty terrible this morning.

Was listening this morning;O'Brien: "We are getting reports that the shooter may have been wearing a costume. Any word on that?"On scene reporter: "I haven't heard that yet, but it's certainly possible that he wore a costume to try to blend in. Many people wear costumes to celebrate big premiers like this one for Star Wars."Later:O'Brien: So the police are using a fire fighting ladder to work on the window of the apartment. What are they doing?Expert: They are probably attempting to run a fiber optic camera into the apartment. This would be, to be blunt, the same type of technology used on a proctocology exam."

 

[urbanhack]

This article from 2009 can provide some explanation. It's not so much that anger itself is a mental illness. But mental illness can render individuals incapable of dealing with anger the way the rest of us can.

Sorry man. Drivel like that just dilutes the topic and diagnoses pretty much everyone as mentally ill. Basically, unless everyone acts and reacts exactly the same they've got some type of mental disorder. Sometimes people are just different from each other.

Thanks for the clarification almighty one.

 

[OldBill]

Blood Center in Denver area asked for donations due to increased need because of the shooting. It has been booked up completely for today and all of tomorrow. Now asking people to call and make reservations. Good job to the Aurora/Denver community on that front.

 

[FavreCo]

why wouldn't this dude off himself?Why Sandusky and this guy haven't offed themselves is beyond me... there is nothing even remotely positive that can come from their lives moving forward.

You have changed my position. Lock this POS up with Sandusky. That's better than death.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Willing to bet that once again we will hear of a guy from a broken home, wasn't sure how to deal with a girlfriend breakup etc.....just another reason that you need to support friends and family.....most of the people that do this stuff feel alone, unimportant and see this as a way of getting that attention....not an excuse but I really don't see how this gets fixed with gun laws, increased security etc....its about paying attention to people and prioritizing them over all the stuff our society now finds important. Yet another wakeup call to people....quit playing with all of your phones, computers and pay attention to those you care about.....

This has nothing to do with people paying too much attention to their phones and computers or any other changes to society or advances in technology of whatever. Before those things existed, people just paid attention to other things when they didn't want to deal with or support their friends and family. Things like this just happen. There's no way to fix it.

Spot on.

To clarify ... in a particular case there's almost always many ways it could have been prevented if you look closely. But it can't be prevented in the aggregate, because warning signs will always be missed, people will always be ignored by friends and family, etc.

 

[ffldrew]

6 patients taken in to the children's hospital. 1 died. "2 or 3 will be released today in "good" condition" this according to a doctor at the children's hospital.

Heartbreaking. For all, but innocent kids tear me up.

None of these 6 were kids, all were 18 or older. They were just taken to this hospital due to the volume of injured people.

Just had a guy that came on tv here in Denver - his 7 year old daughter is dead. The police refused to let him in the hospital. His ex-wife took his daughter to movie. He was in pretty bad shape.

 

[OldBill]

Normally, I'm a CNN viewer during breaking news events, but their coverage has been pretty terrible this morning.

Was listening this morning;O'Brien: "We are getting reports that the shooter may have been wearing a costume. Any word on that?"On scene reporter: "I haven't heard that yet, but it's certainly possible that he wore a costume to try to blend in. Many people wear costumes to celebrate big premiers like this one for Star Wars."Later:O'Brien: So the police are using a fire fighting ladder to work on the window of the apartment. What are they doing?Expert: They are probably attempting to run a fiber optic camera into the apartment. This would be, to be blunt, the same type of technology used on a proctocology exam."

Wow.

 

[pantagrapher]

I think this is a nice gesture:

The Colorado airwaves will get much calmer in the aftermath of the mass shooting at an Aurora movie theater Friday. Following the example set by both the Romney and Obama campaigns, super PACs supporting both candidates are pulling their TV ads from the western swing state. Priorities USA, the super PAC supporting President Obama, told TPM it has asked TV affiliates to pull all of its ads in Colorado “for the time being.”

 

[timschochet]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

 

[OldBill]

Booby Trap apparently involves numerous "liter sized" bottles filled with a substance that are all connected with a wire. Sounds eerily similar to the explosion scene in the Dark Knight in which Rachel is killed and Two-Face is burned.

 

[The_Man]

6 patients taken in to the children's hospital. 1 died. "2 or 3 will be released today in "good" condition" this according to a doctor at the children's hospital.

Heartbreaking. For all, but innocent kids tear me up.

None of these 6 were kids, all were 18 or older. They were just taken to this hospital due to the volume of injured people.

Just had a guy that came on tv here in Denver - his 7 year old daughter is dead. The police refused to let him in the hospital. His ex-wife took his daughter to movie. He was in pretty bad shape.

Jesus wept.As you're getting ready to crank out your next political or social or snide comment about this, please take a moment first and think about this guy -- how he probably woke up this morning to learn that his little girl was dead because her mom took her on a special trip to see the year's biggest movie on opening night. Put yourself in his place for just a second.

 

[FavreCo]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

Call him batman if you like, he needs to die.

 

[timschochet]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

Call him batman if you like, he needs to die.

That's a different issue.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

I think this is a nice gesture:

The Colorado airwaves will get much calmer in the aftermath of the mass shooting at an Aurora movie theater Friday. Following the example set by both the Romney and Obama campaigns, super PACs supporting both candidates are pulling their TV ads from the western swing state. Priorities USA, the super PAC supporting President Obama, told TPM it has asked TV affiliates to pull all of its ads in Colorado “for the time being.”

Are the campaigns still paying the TV stations or are the stations getting screwed by losing advertising revenue?

 

[FavreCo]

I think this is a nice gesture:

The Colorado airwaves will get much calmer in the aftermath of the mass shooting at an Aurora movie theater Friday. Following the example set by both the Romney and Obama campaigns, super PACs supporting both candidates are pulling their TV ads from the western swing state. Priorities USA, the super PAC supporting President Obama, told TPM it has asked TV affiliates to pull all of its ads in Colorado “for the time being.”

Are the campaigns still paying the TV stations or are the stations getting screwed by losing advertising revenue?

Who cares.

 

[belljr]

6 patients taken in to the children's hospital. 1 died. "2 or 3 will be released today in "good" condition" this according to a doctor at the children's hospital.

Heartbreaking. For all, but innocent kids tear me up.

None of these 6 were kids, all were 18 or older. They were just taken to this hospital due to the volume of injured people.

Just had a guy that came on tv here in Denver - his 7 year old daughter is dead. The police refused to let him in the hospital. His ex-wife took his daughter to movie. He was in pretty bad shape.

wow.... Can't fathom

 

[jamny]

I prefer the fun Friday threads. :(

 

[pantagrapher]

In the early hours after the horrific movie theater massacre in a Denver suburb on Friday, small details were trickling out about the life of suspect James Holmes.

Authorities said Holmes is 24 years old and was living in a third-story apartment in Aurora, Colo., in the same city where the shooting took place. A police spokesman told CNN that he was arrested in the parking lot of the movie theater. His white sedan there was still being searched later in the morning.

Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said the suspect’s apartment appeared to be rigged with “sophisticated” booby traps and it could be hours or days before law enforcement could get into the unit to investigate.

Late in the morning, Denver television station KMGH aired a photo it said was Holmes. He appeared smiling with short, messy hair and sideburns.

Despite rumors, there was no credible information about Holmes’ possible motives for the shooting. Various news outlets, citing anonymous law enforcement sources, said Holmes had no history of criminal activity and appeared to only have a local traffic ticket on his record.

A spokesperson for the University of Colorado Denver confirmed to TPM that Holmes had been a student there. The Denver Post reported that he was in the process of withdrawing from a graduate program in neurosciences.

In California, police were called to the house of a San Diego family who appeared to be related to the suspect after reporters started gathering outside. A police spokeswoman, Lt. Andra Brown, said the family was asking for privacy and that a man was escorted from the house earlier in the morning.

“It is my understanding that that is the shooting suspect’s father,” Brown said.

The U-T San Diego reported that the family also released a statement.

“Our hearts go out to those who were involved in this tragedy and to the families and friends of those involved,” it said. “We ask that the media respect our privacy during this difficult time. Our family is cooperating with authorities in both San Diego, California, and Aurora, Colorado. We are still trying to process this information and we appreciate that people will respect our privacy.”

My link

 

[FlapJacks]

Seems to me it took a little time for the VT shooters history to come to light. We don't really know what he has done. Absence of a criminal record doesn't mean an absence of a mental record. Those are private and protected by law. So we may want to wait before we say he did or didn't show signs. Heck it could be something organic that just came on for all we know or he could have been torturing animals since he was a kid. We just don't know. But I have no problem labeling a guy who goes into a theater and shoots dozens of strangers mentally ill.

Couldn't he have just been an angry, angry man? Bill Ayers killed people. Is he mentally ill?

That kind of anger is a mental illness. And really I don't want to start another political fight so I'll leave the Ayers thing alone.

I would post the wide eyed laughing icon but it just doesn't seem appropriate in this thread. But I've never heard of people being angry being called a mental illness.

The guy could just be an evil, angry SOB. It doesn't necessarily mean he has some sort of mental illness.

Then you guys don't do much reading because anger, especially this type of anger, is an extension of depression and low self esteem. The kind of anger that it takes to do something like this to innocent people is absolutely a mental illness

I'm wondering if we have the opposite problem in this couuntry and that our culture unnaturally high level of narcissism contributes greatly to the idea that this man's greiveances should somehow take pecedence, in his mind, over the lives of many innocent people.

 

[urbanhack]

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.During a radio interview on The Heritage Foundation's "Istook Live!" show, Gohmert was asked why he believes such senseless acts of violence take place. Gohmert responded by talking about the weakening of Christian values in the country."You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of a derelict takes place," Gohmert said.

awesome

 

[Rayderr]

I think this is a nice gesture:

The Colorado airwaves will get much calmer in the aftermath of the mass shooting at an Aurora movie theater Friday. Following the example set by both the Romney and Obama campaigns, super PACs supporting both candidates are pulling their TV ads from the western swing state. Priorities USA, the super PAC supporting President Obama, told TPM it has asked TV affiliates to pull all of its ads in Colorado “for the time being.”

Are the campaigns still paying the TV stations or are the stations getting screwed by losing advertising revenue?

From back when I was in the TV commercial industry, customers were still billed for the air time if they pulled out within a certain time before the ads were supposed to air. That seemed to be pretty standard on the systems our stuff aired on. And given that the station will now try to resell that air time, it could actually bring in more money.

 

[Parmcat]

Seems to me it took a little time for the VT shooters history to come to light. We don't really know what he has done. Absence of a criminal record doesn't mean an absence of a mental record. Those are private and protected by law. So we may want to wait before we say he did or didn't show signs. Heck it could be something organic that just came on for all we know or he could have been torturing animals since he was a kid. We just don't know. But I have no problem labeling a guy who goes into a theater and shoots dozens of strangers mentally ill.

Couldn't he have just been an angry, angry man? Bill Ayers killed people. Is he mentally ill?

That kind of anger is a mental illness. And really I don't want to start another political fight so I'll leave the Ayers thing alone.

I would post the wide eyed laughing icon but it just doesn't seem appropriate in this thread. But I've never heard of people being angry being called a mental illness.

READ THIS

Just because YOU don't know doesnt mean it isnt real....

I am in Psychiatry, and deal with these types on a regular basis....

so shove your wide eyed laughing smilie

 

[netnalp]

Willing to bet that once again we will hear of a guy from a broken home, wasn't sure how to deal with a girlfriend breakup etc.....just another reason that you need to support friends and family.....most of the people that do this stuff feel alone, unimportant and see this as a way of getting that attention....not an excuse but I really don't see how this gets fixed with gun laws, increased security etc....its about paying attention to people and prioritizing them over all the stuff our society now finds important. Yet another wakeup call to people....quit playing with all of your phones, computers and pay attention to those you care about.....

This has nothing to do with people paying too much attention to their phones and computers or any other changes to society or advances in technology of whatever. Before those things existed, people just paid attention to other things when they didn't want to deal with or support their friends and family. Things like this just happen. There's no way to fix it.

Spot on.

To clarify ... in a particular case there's almost always many ways it could have been prevented if you look closely. But it can't be prevented in the aggregate, because warning signs will always be missed, people will always be ignored by friends and family, etc.

It's one of those 20-20 hindsight things. What seems insignificant turns out to be a sign that something is off, but at the time the sign occurs, most if not all people, even ones that are empathetic, intelligent and care about the violent person, just don't realize it.

 

[Rayderr]

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.During a radio interview on The Heritage Foundation's "Istook Live!" show, Gohmert was asked why he believes such senseless acts of violence take place. Gohmert responded by talking about the weakening of Christian values in the country."You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of a derelict takes place," Gohmert said.

awesome

idiot. (Gohmert. Not you.)

 

[belljr]

Seems to me it took a little time for the VT shooters history to come to light. We don't really know what he has done. Absence of a criminal record doesn't mean an absence of a mental record. Those are private and protected by law. So we may want to wait before we say he did or didn't show signs. Heck it could be something organic that just came on for all we know or he could have been torturing animals since he was a kid. We just don't know. But I have no problem labeling a guy who goes into a theater and shoots dozens of strangers mentally ill.

Couldn't he have just been an angry, angry man? Bill Ayers killed people. Is he mentally ill?

That kind of anger is a mental illness. And really I don't want to start another political fight so I'll leave the Ayers thing alone.

I would post the wide eyed laughing icon but it just doesn't seem appropriate in this thread. But I've never heard of people being angry being called a mental illness.

The guy could just be an evil, angry SOB. It doesn't necessarily mean he has some sort of mental illness.

Then you guys don't do much reading because anger, especially this type of anger, is an extension of depression and low self esteem. The kind of anger that it takes to do something like this to innocent people is absolutely a mental illness

I'm wondering if we have the opposite problem in this couuntry and that our culture unnaturally high level of narcissism contributes greatly to the idea that this man's greiveances should somehow take pecedence, in his mind, over the lives of many innocent people.

Interesting... Can see this a plausible.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.During a radio interview on The Heritage Foundation's "Istook Live!" show, Gohmert was asked why he believes such senseless acts of violence take place. Gohmert responded by talking about the weakening of Christian values in the country."You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of a derelict takes place," Gohmert said.

awesome

Member of Westboro?

 

[FavreCo]

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.During a radio interview on The Heritage Foundation's "Istook Live!" show, Gohmert was asked why he believes such senseless acts of violence take place. Gohmert responded by talking about the weakening of Christian values in the country."You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of a derelict takes place," Gohmert said.

awesome

what a ####### idiot.

 

[17seconds]

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.During a radio interview on The Heritage Foundation's "Istook Live!" show, Gohmert was asked why he believes such senseless acts of violence take place. Gohmert responded by talking about the weakening of Christian values in the country."You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of a derelict takes place," Gohmert said.

awesome

Member of Westboro?

what.. in... the...Have politicians always been this stupid? I'm amazed at the number of flat out idiots in the House of Reps these days.

 

[Apple Jack]

Seems to me it took a little time for the VT shooters history to come to light. We don't really know what he has done. Absence of a criminal record doesn't mean an absence of a mental record. Those are private and protected by law. So we may want to wait before we say he did or didn't show signs. Heck it could be something organic that just came on for all we know or he could have been torturing animals since he was a kid. We just don't know. But I have no problem labeling a guy who goes into a theater and shoots dozens of strangers mentally ill.

Couldn't he have just been an angry, angry man? Bill Ayers killed people. Is he mentally ill?

That kind of anger is a mental illness. And really I don't want to start another political fight so I'll leave the Ayers thing alone.

I would post the wide eyed laughing icon but it just doesn't seem appropriate in this thread. But I've never heard of people being angry being called a mental illness.

The guy could just be an evil, angry SOB. It doesn't necessarily mean he has some sort of mental illness.

Then you guys don't do much reading because anger, especially this type of anger, is an extension of depression and low self esteem. The kind of anger that it takes to do something like this to innocent people is absolutely a mental illness

I'm wondering if we have the opposite problem in this couuntry and that our culture unnaturally high level of narcissism contributes greatly to the idea that this man's greiveances should somehow take pecedence, in his mind, over the lives of many innocent people.

Interesting... Can see this a plausible.

Wanting to see if there's anything there to understand or learn from does not equate to sympathy or justification.

 

[OldBill]

Bouncer from a bar Holmes frequented said that Holmes usually kept to himself, never really was with anybody. Said he was "always alone." Said he would come in 1 or 2 times a week for 2 or 3 weeks at a time. Then he wouldn't show up for a month or more at a time.

 

[Apple Jack]

The House of Representatives, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[belljr]

Seems to me it took a little time for the VT shooters history to come to light. We don't really know what he has done. Absence of a criminal record doesn't mean an absence of a mental record. Those are private and protected by law. So we may want to wait before we say he did or didn't show signs. Heck it could be something organic that just came on for all we know or he could have been torturing animals since he was a kid. We just don't know. But I have no problem labeling a guy who goes into a theater and shoots dozens of strangers mentally ill.

Couldn't he have just been an angry, angry man? Bill Ayers killed people. Is he mentally ill?

That kind of anger is a mental illness. And really I don't want to start another political fight so I'll leave the Ayers thing alone.

I would post the wide eyed laughing icon but it just doesn't seem appropriate in this thread. But I've never heard of people being angry being called a mental illness.

The guy could just be an evil, angry SOB. It doesn't necessarily mean he has some sort of mental illness.

Then you guys don't do much reading because anger, especially this type of anger, is an extension of depression and low self esteem. The kind of anger that it takes to do something like this to innocent people is absolutely a mental illness

I'm wondering if we have the opposite problem in this couuntry and that our culture unnaturally high level of narcissism contributes greatly to the idea that this man's greiveances should somehow take pecedence, in his mind, over the lives of many innocent people.

Interesting... Can see this a plausible.

Wanting to see if there's anything there to understand or learn from does not equate to sympathy or justification.

I'm confused here. I can totally see the "look at me" attitude in his own mind trumps the lives of these innocent people.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

I think we're all probably a little mentally ill in some way, relative to perfect. I don't use it as an excuse for committing horrible acts unless it can be shown that the mental illness was directly responsible. Unless this guy didn't know that what he was doing was wrong, which I don't believe, then I won't use any level of mental illness that he might have as an excuse. This was a a preplanned massacre.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

Because it is an asinine point until more info comes out. Folks will form initial opinions that differ on any number of possible topics related to the incident. Why do you jump in every page or two and attempt to turn the conversation towards tangential topics like this or the role sex/upbringing... impact this type of behavior. We are still in the information gathering phase. Give it a rest.

 

[Rayderr]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

I think we're all probably a little mentally ill in some way, relative to perfect. I don't use it as an excuse for committing horrible acts unless it can be shown that the mental illness was directly responsible. Unless this guy didn't know that what he was doing was wrong, which I don't believe, then I won't use any level of mental illness that he might have as an excuse. This was a a preplanned massacre.

I don't think anyone here is using it as an excuse, but rather a cause.

 

[17seconds]

I don't know if you guys have seen the joke posts on Facebook yet. Mostly referring to The Joker, Batman, etc. People are so disengaged from reality behind their computers these days, it's ####### sick.

 

[FavreCo]

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.During a radio interview on The Heritage Foundation's "Istook Live!" show, Gohmert was asked why he believes such senseless acts of violence take place. Gohmert responded by talking about the weakening of Christian values in the country."You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of a derelict takes place," Gohmert said.

awesome

Member of Westboro?

what.. in... the...Have politicians always been this stupid? I'm amazed at the number of flat out idiots in the House of Reps these days.

The majority of them, yes. It's easier to get voted in with the idiots multiplying faster than intelligent people.

 

[Apple Jack]

I don't know if you guys have seen the joke posts on Facebook yet. Mostly referring to The Joker, Batman, etc. People are so disengaged from reality behind their computers these days, it's ####### sick.

You might want to reconsider some of your friends.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

dude looks like a nerd with a bad case of wanting attention.

 

[eoMMan]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

I think we're all probably a little mentally ill in some way, relative to perfect. I don't use it as an excuse for committing horrible acts unless it can be shown that the mental illness was directly responsible. Unless this guy didn't know that what he was doing was wrong, which I don't believe, then I won't use any level of mental illness that he might have as an excuse. This was a a preplanned massacre.

I agree with StrikeS2k here.

 

[OldBill]

I don't know if you guys have seen the joke posts on Facebook yet. Mostly referring to The Joker, Batman, etc. People are so disengaged from reality behind their computers these days, it's ####### sick.

You might want to reconsider some of your friends.

This

 

[StrikeS2k]

Why is there a resistance to call this guy mentally ill? Of course he is mentally ill. Nobody shoots into a crowd of people he doesn't know without mental illness.

I think we're all probably a little mentally ill in some way, relative to perfect. I don't use it as an excuse for committing horrible acts unless it can be shown that the mental illness was directly responsible. Unless this guy didn't know that what he was doing was wrong, which I don't believe, then I won't use any level of mental illness that he might have as an excuse. This was a a preplanned massacre.

I don't think anyone here is using it as an excuse, but rather a cause.

We have no proof that it caused this. He could just be a ******* who hated life. Even if it could be called a mental illness it wouldn't rise up to the level that I would say it "caused" this. Unless he didn't know right from wrong, IMO, mental illness shouldn't be used in cases such as this. It is an attempt to minimize the responsibility of the person who committed such a heinous act.

 

[eoMMan]

Seems to me it took a little time for the VT shooters history to come to light. We don't really know what he has done. Absence of a criminal record doesn't mean an absence of a mental record. Those are private and protected by law. So we may want to wait before we say he did or didn't show signs. Heck it could be something organic that just came on for all we know or he could have been torturing animals since he was a kid. We just don't know. But I have no problem labeling a guy who goes into a theater and shoots dozens of strangers mentally ill.

Couldn't he have just been an angry, angry man? Bill Ayers killed people. Is he mentally ill?

That kind of anger is a mental illness. And really I don't want to start another political fight so I'll leave the Ayers thing alone.

I would post the wide eyed laughing icon but it just doesn't seem appropriate in this thread. But I've never heard of people being angry being called a mental illness.

READ THIS

Just because YOU don't know doesnt mean it isnt real....

I am in Psychiatry, and deal with these types on a regular basis....

so shove your wide eyed laughing smilie

Let's be excellent, bromeister.