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And the minute MJD walks through the door that changes.
I wouldnt be so quick to say that. Jennings missed all of last year with an injury but go back to the end of the 2010 season and check out his stats especially from week 12 on. MJD got beat to heck last year with Jennings being out and even if he does come back will have a bad attitude. The Jaguars have a pretty good defense and Jennings was shredding the 1st team D in the scrimmage the other night both on the ground and catching the ball.
My point is that management doesn't honor their contracts either.
When the players pay a signing bonus to the management, I will expect management to hush up and honor the contract.
Sorry, I think you missed my point. I was responding earlier in this thread to people bashing MJD for not honoring his contract. I'm simply illustrating that this is the way things work in the NFL. Teams cut players with no regard to the years left on their contracts once they are injured and players hold out for more money without regard to how many years are left on their contracts. Neither side is right or wrong. It's just the way business is done in the NFL. If the Jaguars feel MJD is worth a new contract, they will pay him. If they don't, they won't.
This is something I'm wondering about. What if MJD holds out indefinitely? What if he does sign and comes back and gets injured? What would Jennings do and be worth as the unquestioned #1 on this team? Where would Jennings be drafted if MJD wasn't in the picture?
This isn't a situation similar to Houston where they have a tremendous offensive line and solid offense all together. You can plug Curtis Enis into that offense and he'll be top 5. MJD scores the amount of points he does mainly due to talent. Expecting Jennings to come in and produce at the same level is expecting too much IMHO. However, I will say I haven't seen a lot of Jennings. I am seeing a lot of talk on this board about how well he is performing in camp but haven't seen much in the form of actual quotes supporting this.
How's that?
I made my entire point in one of my last posts. Not sure what else I can say to clarify my stance. I'm guessing you don't agree and that's fine.
It's amazing how often...when a starter is holding out....word out of camp is that the primary backup is setting the world on fire. And the similarly amazing how when the starter comes back....nothing changes....and the starter remains the starter.
Three years into a five year deal, most players are "underpaid".Does it make it untrue? Probably not. Is it untrue? I'm pretty sure it is. I don't think Maurice Drew or his agent have forgotten to factor in the signing bonus.But, more to the point, it's not much of a point. All players get signing bonuses. And, they are paid upfront. What is your point?Fantastic. Does that make my statement untrue?You don't think any of the other higher paid guys got signing bonuses, too?I hope he never plays again. Sit in your recliner and rot away. Ten years from now, people will barely remember he was in the league. I love how he complains about his salary for this year ($4.5M) being too low, but he conveniently forgets to factor in the $9M signing bonus he was already paid when he signed his deal three years ago.Good luck in your new career, guy.
Do you somehow think the $9M signing bonus is some sort of trump card that makes it so he's not underpaid?
Why would I gather additional facts to the ones that were already gathered? My assertions are based on fact. Or, have you not been following the thread?
What does a signing bonus have to do with honoring a contract?
Depends on what someone means by "honor."They cut players with years left on their contracts, and don't have to pay the rest of the contract.
Right. And, if they are good enough at the game of football and have a good enough agent, then they will hold out to get a new contract so that they are no longer "underpaid."Three years into a five year deal, most players are "underpaid".Does it make it untrue? Probably not. Is it untrue? I'm pretty sure it is. I don't think Maurice Drew or his agent have forgotten to factor in the signing bonus.But, more to the point, it's not much of a point. All players get signing bonuses. And, they are paid upfront. What is your point?Fantastic. Does that make my statement untrue?You don't think any of the other higher paid guys got signing bonuses, too?I hope he never plays again. Sit in your recliner and rot away. Ten years from now, people will barely remember he was in the league. I love how he complains about his salary for this year ($4.5M) being too low, but he conveniently forgets to factor in the $9M signing bonus he was already paid when he signed his deal three years ago.Good luck in your new career, guy.
Do you somehow think the $9M signing bonus is some sort of trump card that makes it so he's not underpaid?
They make up for that with the signing bonus.
It's possible to "make up" for not honoring a contract? Interesting perspective.Players make up for not honoring a contract by playing at a high level and making sure fans show up, buy products and watch games. When fans show up to a stadium to watch a management drink scotch in their luxury suites, then I will expect players to hush up and honor the contract...They make up for that with the signing bonus.
I'm asking how it is they didn't honor his contract.In your imagination you really think all these injured guy should be on the 53?Because that sounds like you aren't too familiar with how the world works.
You missed my point. He was overpaid when he signed his deal. He was coming of a 900 yard season or some such number. For one year in a vacuum, he is underpaid. Over the course of his deal, not at all. And his agent won't matter. He doesn't have any leverage. Has two years left on his deal. Cash it in, MJD.
He doesn't have any leverage? Sure he does. His leverage is that the Jaguars want him on the field playing. His leverage is that the fans want him on the field playing. His leverage is that he's a popular player who has been extremely durable. You may not think his leverage is that strong, but he certainly has at least some leverage.This isn't one year in a vacuum. This is the present, current year. The circumstances surrounding his deal have changed. The going market for RBs has improved and his contract is now not the industry standard for elite RBs. Over the course of his deal, he is underpaid. Look at the total money he's getting vs. his peers.
OK ... I'll paste my previous statement so you don't have to look for it."Sorry, I think you missed my point. I was responding earlier in this thread to people bashing MJD for not honoring his contract. I'm simply illustrating that this is the way things work in the NFL. Teams cut players with no regard to the years left on their contracts once they are injured and players hold out for more money without regard to how many years are left on their contracts. Neither side is right or wrong. It's just the way business is done in the NFL. If the Jaguars feel MJD is worth a new contract, they will pay him. If they don't, they won't"
NO NEWS FOR YOU!!!'Mr. Soup Nazi said:
At the very least, the Jags should reward him with a nice big box of tissues when he reports.
If I were MJD, I'd hold out, not waste anymore mileage with one of the worst teams in the NFL, and demand a trade to a better team.
But then again if I were the Jags, I'd let MJD hold out. He can then sit on his couch and waste the last few years of his prime while I don't trade him, nor pay him. As long as Jennings produces, there's far more pressure on MJD at this point to end this than there is on the Jags.
Works in the NBA. Seldom works in the NFL unless you're a QB and even then.
THIS!
They had MJD last year. Didn't really help them in the win column.'LargeMouthBass said:
Relatively few, when compared to those that underperform.However, If you look at second half production vs. first half production you'll find that many eventually get on track.
Yikes! No thanks! (Not a Patriots Fan)MJD to New England
