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***Official Pittsburgh Pirates 2013 Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
That sequence of events will go down as one of my most memorable moments in pittsburgh sports history
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
What's the deal with Friday's game being at 1pm, noon central time nonetheless?! Im going to have to start drinking at 11am.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Ha-- the next 2 days are going to kill me. I'm hosting all day workshops and will therefore have to dvr the games and watch them at night. I'm just not sure if I have the willpower to avoid the Internet until the evening.
Copeman
Footballguy
I'm going to have to keep up with the live box score update online until I get to my girlfriends around 7:00. Then on Friday i will have to follow the entire game online via box score. No streaming for me at work. I wait 20+ years for this and I can't even watch it. #### me.
The Hank
Footballguy
If you have facebook, the link below will take you to a Radio Sync'd highlight reel of the game w/ Pirates announcers.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10100271008778382
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
The Hank
Footballguy
Hey, let's do the Pirates playoff game Friday afternoon, we'll get REALLY good ratings!
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Wait, its October 3rd and the Pirates are playing today. Is this real life?!
collective
Footballguy
Wah wah wah... Our games are on during the day...The Hank said:fred_1_15301 said:
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Feeling good about the game and Burnett. If he falters in the 6th-7th inning though I just hope Hurdle has a quick trigger finger
irish eyes
Footballguy
dont think we have to worry about the 6th or 7th innings with him today
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
correct, but as I said, Im hoping Hurdle does leave him out there to die and rot once again
irish eyes
Footballguy
Well at least we can turn on the penguin game at 7.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
New to being a middle-market team in the playoffs?The Hank said:fred_1_15301 said:
Hey, let's do the Pirates playoff game Friday afternoon, we'll get REALLY good ratings!
Oh, wait...
The larger market teams almost always get the prime time games during the week. If an LA or NY team is playing on the same day, expect an earlier game.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
There weren't any pirates fans saying that. I think it was mainly Balco and a few others.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Nice bounce-back win. If this series goes 5 games, Im pretty sure I want Cole on the mound instead of Burnett.
...and of course I have the utmost confidence with Liriano in Game 3 at home, but Joe Kelly has owned us and Wacha for Game 4 is really good and Im not sure we've even seen him this year, a la the Cards never seeing Cole this year.
...and of course I have the utmost confidence with Liriano in Game 3 at home, but Joe Kelly has owned us and Wacha for Game 4 is really good and Im not sure we've even seen him this year, a la the Cards never seeing Cole this year.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I believe Wacha one hit us not too long ago. Agree about Cole in game 5. Thoughts on starting Burnett on short rest in game 4 and Cole in game 5 (if it gets to that)?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
With how STL hammered Burnett yesterday, Im leery of him seeing another start this series. Morton was probably their best pitcher down the stretch besides Cole, Im fine with him in Game 4.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Kelly has given up 2 runs in the past 18 innings against the pirates. The good news is he hasn't gone more than 6 innings in any of those games. The better news is that Liriano has even been better against the cards. Can't wait for Sunday
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Oh I forgot to mention the best news-- the PNC ####### crowd
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Can we bat Pedro 4th yet? Day games against rhp at least? Please?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Logically it makes sense (given how weak Mourneau is) but what are the statistics for Pedro hitting 4th vs 6th? It seems like he's in the midst of one of his hot streaks and I prefer not to risk screwing with that......
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Pedro is so up and down that you don't dare change anything when he is producing.
Going to a game 5 in St. Louis with their ace was the scenario I definitely didn't want to see. Doesn't help that we still don't know whether it is Cole or Burnett.
Can't really blame Morton because he had a great performance except for one damn pitch. Just ran into an extremely hot pitcher who I believe has given up on 2 hits in his last 17 innings.
Can't really blame Morton because he had a great performance except for one damn pitch. Just ran into an extremely hot pitcher who I believe has given up on 2 hits in his last 17 innings.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Cole vs. Wainwright in game 5. What a game this will be!
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I don't know how but the pirates need to find a 1b next year. The slop that they've been throwing out there for years isn't going to cut it.
irish eyes
Footballguy
You couldn't be more right with that assessment. And how do they continue to swing at his crap breaking ball that is no where near the plate...again again and again! !
He has struggled this series but if anyone is to blame for this series it is Marte & Walker with the bat in their hands. 1 for 34 I believe is embarrassing.
Give Cole lots of credit for a game 5 performance. Didn't get any room to breathe
Give Cole lots of credit for a game 5 performance. Didn't get any room to breathe
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irish eyes
Footballguy
Marte brutal to watch, swings every effin timeat horrible breaking pitches. I would NEVER throw him a fastball
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
#### great season anyways....
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
This, and Hurdle pulled him about 2 innings too early. This couldve been a close game going into the 9th, but Hurdle made a bad blunder pulling Cole after 5.
I think Clint realized that they need to hit as many bats as possible. Having the pitcher hit in the 6th - 8th when you are desperate to make it close is too risky. Especially when you know that Marte and Walker wasn't doing anything after the pitcher
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great season ... looks to look forward to ...
i posted on another board my thoughts on the pirates: (albeit brief)
As for the Pirates pitching, yes I agree they need to show improvement there.
Burnett has been talking about retirement. He's a gamer. Great for the city. Great for the team. We'll miss him if he retires.
Gerritt Cole - stud/future stud.
Charlie Morton - Solid.
Francisco Liriano? Not sure what I expect next year. Not a repeat of this year. Hopefully, he will remain a good pitcher.
Jeff Locke? Hopefully he builds upon his first-half success of this year and is closer to that than the second half. I think both were extreme and he will settle somewhere in between. Which makes him a nice 5th starter.
Then you look at the minors: Jameson Tallion; Luis Heredia; Tyler Glasnow. Probably some other guys who will develop.
The big questions for next year - 1B, SS and RF.
i also posted this about the cardinals:
unfortunately, by the way, i look at the cardinals and i weep because the pirates are in the same division.
young guys:
1b-adams
2b-wong
ss-kozma
3b-?
of-tavares
of-allen craig?
p-wacha, rosenthal, martinez, among others. i mean, they have a 22-year-old stud in the rotation and a guy who could be craig kimbrel in the bullpen.
they are loaded for years and years to come
i posted on another board my thoughts on the pirates: (albeit brief)
As for the Pirates pitching, yes I agree they need to show improvement there.
Burnett has been talking about retirement. He's a gamer. Great for the city. Great for the team. We'll miss him if he retires.
Gerritt Cole - stud/future stud.
Charlie Morton - Solid.
Francisco Liriano? Not sure what I expect next year. Not a repeat of this year. Hopefully, he will remain a good pitcher.
Jeff Locke? Hopefully he builds upon his first-half success of this year and is closer to that than the second half. I think both were extreme and he will settle somewhere in between. Which makes him a nice 5th starter.
Then you look at the minors: Jameson Tallion; Luis Heredia; Tyler Glasnow. Probably some other guys who will develop.
The big questions for next year - 1B, SS and RF.
i also posted this about the cardinals:
unfortunately, by the way, i look at the cardinals and i weep because the pirates are in the same division.
young guys:
1b-adams
2b-wong
ss-kozma
3b-?
of-tavares
of-allen craig?
p-wacha, rosenthal, martinez, among others. i mean, they have a 22-year-old stud in the rotation and a guy who could be craig kimbrel in the bullpen.
they are loaded for years and years to come
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I still think they needed to move Pedro to 4th and possibly Moreau to 2nd in the lineup.
I hated pinch hitting for Cole in the 6th. He was hot. 2 bad at bats. Jones has had 1 good game, isn't a great pinch hitter and wainwright isn't the type if guy you're going to crush, especially your first ab if the night. Have cole sac bunt. People were claiming they wanted jones to hit the long ball. He hit 15hr in 409 abs this year; 4%. I don't care what marte did the last 6 games; he hit 280 for the year. Give him a shot at a single with a guy on 2nd and 1 out and let's Cole keep it close.
Oh well. Hell of a year.
Let's try to extend the young guys, re-sign Byrd, find a 1b and get a real bench. AJ was upset he got passed over apparently. May not help in keeping him.
I hated pinch hitting for Cole in the 6th. He was hot. 2 bad at bats. Jones has had 1 good game, isn't a great pinch hitter and wainwright isn't the type if guy you're going to crush, especially your first ab if the night. Have cole sac bunt. People were claiming they wanted jones to hit the long ball. He hit 15hr in 409 abs this year; 4%. I don't care what marte did the last 6 games; he hit 280 for the year. Give him a shot at a single with a guy on 2nd and 1 out and let's Cole keep it close.
Oh well. Hell of a year.
Let's try to extend the young guys, re-sign Byrd, find a 1b and get a real bench. AJ was upset he got passed over apparently. May not help in keeping him.
Copeman
Footballguy
Great season, nothing to be ashamed of whatsoever. I had no problem hitting for Cole. It's a half game series at that point, we needed runs, and the bullpen is quite capable (in hindsight). Do or die situation at the plate, you can't have your pitcher up there, even if he's throwing well.
Looking forward to next year. Be anxious to see what moves they make. 1B is the biggest concern. I'd love for them to sign that Cuban or Dominican, or whatever he is, defector. Name escapes me right now. But he'll want big money, but one can hope.
Looking forward to next year. Be anxious to see what moves they make. 1B is the biggest concern. I'd love for them to sign that Cuban or Dominican, or whatever he is, defector. Name escapes me right now. But he'll want big money, but one can hope.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
His name is Abreu and who knows how old he is. I would love it if they got him. I don't think Burnett will be back so their rotation will become thinner. I also don't think they'll resign Byrd for the money that he'll probably want. Thus, they'll have significant holes at 1b (assuming they don't get Abreu) and rf. SS is still a hole because I'm not sure Mercer is a full time player and Barmes is useless without his glove. I think this team takes a step backwards next year but boy am I pumped for 2015. At that point, they'll have Cutch, Alvarez, Marte and Polanco as part of their core with a rotation showcased by Cole and Taillon. I'm sure they'll have complimentary pieces as well. Of course, St. Louis will still be a juggernaut and we will likely even have to worry about the Cubs at that point
monessen
Footballguy
I was looking at the year's stats for these pitchers and the '79 Pirates staff. Except for the Bucs using many more hurlers this season, the overall totals are remarkably comparable. And that '79 Championship club won just 4 more regular season games than this crew.
Of course, the '79 team's lineup was formidable all-around once Madlock and Foli were on board. They scored 4.8 runs per contest. This 2013 club failed to average four runs a game, which was a huge burden on both starters and relievers. Both squads had strong defensive play.
So, yeah, nice work in 2013 in generating authentic interest and competitiveness! The team may have "overperformed," but it was high time. Bottom line: many everyday holes to fill in order to keep up with the NL's best.
Of course, the '79 team's lineup was formidable all-around once Madlock and Foli were on board. They scored 4.8 runs per contest. This 2013 club failed to average four runs a game, which was a huge burden on both starters and relievers. Both squads had strong defensive play.
So, yeah, nice work in 2013 in generating authentic interest and competitiveness! The team may have "overperformed," but it was high time. Bottom line: many everyday holes to fill in order to keep up with the NL's best.
Eephus
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Let's see what ownership and management do now. Who they pay and how much will tell us a lot now about how serious these guys have been about building a contender.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
When Polanco arrives, will this have the potential to be the best defensive outfield ever? He's projected to be better than Cutch and Marte. 
Eephus
Footballguy
The Billy Ball A's had the best group I've ever seen. A young Rickey could get to anything in left. Dwayne Murphy was a perennial Gold Glover in an era of excellent CFs. Tony Armas had a cannon in right and could still run in those days.When Polanco arrives, will this have the potential to be the best defensive outfield ever? He's projected to be better than Cutch and Marte.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup I was probably exaggerating a bit but I'm definitely excited to see this outfield. I would like to see them move Marte to right and put Polanco in left.The Billy Ball A's had the best group I've ever seen. A young Rickey could get to anything in left. Dwayne Murphy was a perennial Gold Glover in an era of excellent CFs. Tony Armas had a cannon in right and could still run in those days.When Polanco arrives, will this have the potential to be the best defensive outfield ever? He's projected to be better than Cutch and Marte.
