I think he has caught a bad case of contractitis. At his age I'm not sure you bounce back from that.I don't know what's wrong with Flowers, but he's really struggling.
Grading major Chargers offseason moves so far (yes, it is early):
The good:
- Emmanuel in 5th round
- Signed Patrick Robinson
- Replaced Novak with Lambo
The bad:
- Extended Rivers
The ugly:
- Traded up and drafted Gordon in 1st round(Even if he was a solid starter.... it's a part time running back in a limited role in this offense. Completely absurd unless he starts running as fast as a young Chris Johnson and can actually break away for long TD's like he did in college)
- Ignored NT and DT other than 6th round project Philon, who is now on IR
- Ignoring obvious need at DE as well and overpaying for Liuget to be a very average player
- Signed Jacoby Jones
- resigning Flowers[said at the time that either P.Cox(TEN) or C.Culliver(WAS) would be a better value on a younger player, still feel that way]
- Committed to Watt as starting C("These are not the droids you are looking for." is the only way I can explain the blind optimism on a guy that was part of the weakest part of the team last year)
- Drafted Mager in 3rd round(and I normally LOVE drafting CB... too many other holes all around the roster at the time of the draft)
- Ignoring depth at the S position... what a bunch of stiffs now that Weddle is hurt. Now we are really going to see how bad they are.
Jury's out:
- Signed Barksdale(I was all in on this move but it's still early to tell)
- Ditto for Dunlap(Not many other choices)
- Moved Fluker to G(Was expecting a bigger bump but it's early)
- Drafted Perryman in 2nd round(too early to tell, you have to look at some of the other guys they passed on in the second round... especially OLman)
- Signed Franklin(want to see him completely healthy before I decide... his resume buys him more time)
They played like ####, but at least it wasn't liquid diarrhea. More of a chocolate mousse consistency.I can't wait to hear the positive spin from 'Gunz on this one.
- The beer was colder than usual.
- Gordon played his best game as a pro(because we all know teams sell out on a draw when they are up by five scores).
- Well, at least parking will be less of a pain moving forward.
That's only because Rivers got to play against a prevent defense for most of the second half to drag his yards/attempt above 5. If he eclipses 6y/a will he think he's underpaid again and think $22mil/season is too low? Maybe they can't afford to keep him in.They played like ####, but at least it wasn't liquid diarrhea. More of a chocolate mousse consistency.I can't wait to hear the positive spin from 'Gunz on this one.
- The beer was colder than usual.
- Gordon played his best game as a pro(because we all know teams sell out on a draw when they are up by five scores).
- Well, at least parking will be less of a pain moving forward.
There is enough to complain about without complaining about Rivers. Get over your stance on extending him.BoltBacker said:That's only because Rivers got to play against a prevent defense for most of the second half to drag his yards/attempt above 5. If he eclipses 6y/a will he think he's underpaid again and think $22mil/season is too low? Maybe they can't afford to keep him in.Bucky86 said:They played like ####, but at least it wasn't liquid diarrhea. More of a chocolate mousse consistency.BoltBacker said:I can't wait to hear the positive spin from 'Gunz on this one.
- The beer was colder than usual.
- Gordon played his best game as a pro(because we all know teams sell out on a draw when they are up by five scores).
- Well, at least parking will be less of a pain moving forward.
I vote both.What happens first - Chargers move or Telesco gets fired?
both happen in JanuaryWhat happens first - Chargers move or Telesco gets fired?
Were you even watching the game? One of the reasons the Chargers got blown out in the first half at home against the Raiders was BECAUSE of Rivers. Can you honestly say Rivers looked like a $22mil QB in the first half on Sunday!? He was barely at a qb rating of 40 before he made some progress against the prevent defense the raiders employed in the second half.There is enough to complain about without complaining about Rivers. Get over your stance on extending him.BoltBacker said:That's only because Rivers got to play against a prevent defense for most of the second half to drag his yards/attempt above 5. If he eclipses 6y/a will he think he's underpaid again and think $22mil/season is too low? Maybe they can't afford to keep him in.Bucky86 said:They played like ####, but at least it wasn't liquid diarrhea. More of a chocolate mousse consistency.BoltBacker said:I can't wait to hear the positive spin from 'Gunz on this one.
- The beer was colder than usual.
- Gordon played his best game as a pro(because we all know teams sell out on a draw when they are up by five scores).
- Well, at least parking will be less of a pain moving forward.
Rivers played a poor first half, but it just illustrates that the team cannot succeed if he doesn't play great. His teammates and coaches didn't help much.Were you even watching the game? One of the reasons the Chargers got blown out in the first half at home against the Raiders was BECAUSE of Rivers. Can you honestly say Rivers looked like a $22mil QB in the first half on Sunday!? He was barely at a qb rating of 40 before he made some progress against the prevent defense the raiders employed in the second half.There is enough to complain about without complaining about Rivers. Get over your stance on extending him.BoltBacker said:That's only because Rivers got to play against a prevent defense for most of the second half to drag his yards/attempt above 5. If he eclipses 6y/a will he think he's underpaid again and think $22mil/season is too low? Maybe they can't afford to keep him in.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/quarterback/
I suggest you get over your stance that Rivers counting more against the cap than either Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady is anything other than completely absurd. Especially when he gets badly outplayed at home against David Carr and the raiders defense.
IMO Pagano and either McCoy or Reich should be fired today. If McCoy fires Reich and Pagano, McCoy should take over play calling on offense and elevate Nolan to DC. If McCoy won't fire Reich and Pagano, then he should be fired, and Nolan elevated to interim HC.
Why today?
1. Reached the season midpoint, and the Chargers are possibly the worst team in the NFL, despite being #1 in total offense. They have the worst defense in the NFL and possibly the worst special teams, and McCoy and his staff have made no adjustments. The team is on track to have its worst season since 2003.
2. The handling of the RBs the past two weeks has been a complete debacle. It was stupid to sit Gordon in the first half last week and then play him in the second half, and McCoy had no rationale for it that made sense. Then it was even worse to phase Woodhead out of the game plan this week in favor of heavy usage for Gordon, especially when he wasn't making any plays with his extra touches. For me, this was the last straw with McCoy.
And, barring an unexpected miracle turnaround, IMO Telesco (and McCoy if he remains) should be fired at the end of the season. I certainly don't want to see them involved in another draft for this team.
Norv and AJ were fired after this 6 season run under Norv:
2007 - 11-5, 1st in division, made playoffs
2008 - 8-8, 1st in division on tiebreakers, made playoffs
2009 - 13-3, 1st in division, made playoffs
2010 - 9-7, 2nd in division, no playoffs
2011 - 8-8, 2nd in division on tiebreakers, no playoffs
2012 - 7-9, 2nd in division, no playoffs
McCoy and Telesco to date:
2013 - 9-7, 3rd in division, made playoffs on tiebreakers
2014 - 9-7, 3rd in division on tiebreakers, no playoffs
2015 - 2-6, 4th in division, no playoffs
Is the roster better overall right now than it was in 2012? Have the McCoy/Telesco results been better than the Norv/AJ results that got them fired?
Also, Jacoby Jones should be released today. His signing has been a disaster, and him watching that punt roll to the 3 yard line yesterday was the last straw.
Injuries have been a story all year for the Chargers, especially the o-line, but yesterday was in a league by itself. Hard to win under those conditions, but once again they made it close. They're not a good football team right now...they're a play here and a play there from a 5-3 record, possibly even 6-2, and good teams make those plays that get them over the hump instead of losing on the final play of the game. But you can't entirely discount the injuries. Perhaps they those games wouldn't have had to come down to the wire.The official count from the Chargers sideline was left tackle King Dunlap, defensive end Corey Liuget, tight end Ladarius Green, guard-tackle Chris Hairston, wide receiver Stevie Johnson, guard-center Chris Watt, wide receiver Keenan Allen — inhale — cornerback Jason Verrett, cornerback Patrick Robinson, running back Branden Oliver, safety Darrell Stuckey and safety Jahleel Addae.
Twelve.
Twelve players exited Sunday with an injury at one point. Some returned. Eight didn’t. And that dozen could be a baker’s if including cornerback Brandon Flowers, who played intermittently and had his right knee iced after the game.
...
Dunlap injured his left ankle on the second play of the game and was carted from the sideline to the locker room. That bumped left guard Chris Hairston to tackle and Kenny Wiggins off the bench to left guard. Hairston then injured his knee. That moved right tackle Joe Barksdale to left tackle, right guard Kenny Wiggins to right tackle and reserve Chris Watt off the bench to left guard. Watt was injured on his second play. Undrafted rookie Tyreek Burwell became Rivers’ left tackle, and Wiggins moved to left guard as Barksdale returned to right tackle. Hairston reentered the game, subbing out Burwell.
Make it through all of that?
The Chargers somehow did. That alone happened in the first half.
So did Liuget’s left foot injury, which had him carted off minutes after Dunlap was. On the final offensive play of the half, Allen fell hard when completing an acrobatic touchdown catch in the back-left corner of the end zone. He dealt with muscle spasms and, like Liuget and Dunlap and Green (ankle) and Stuckey (leg, unspecified) and Watt (shoulder) and Robinson (concussion) and Oliver (toe), did not return.
They are also a play here and a play there from being 0-8. They have the worst defense in the NFL and possibly the worst special teams, and those issues cannot be explained away due to injuries. Until yesterday, there had not been an abnormal number of injuries on defense, they had mostly been concentrated on the OL and in the receiving group (WR/TE).bfan85 said:From the UT:
Injuries have been a story all year for the Chargers, especially the o-line, but yesterday was in a league by itself. Hard to win under those conditions, but once again they made it close. They're not a good football team right now...they're a play here and a play there from a 5-3 record, possibly even 6-2, and good teams make those plays that get them over the hump instead of losing on the final play of the game. But you can't entirely discount the injuries. Perhaps they those games wouldn't have had to come down to the wire.The official count from the Chargers sideline was left tackle King Dunlap, defensive end Corey Liuget, tight end Ladarius Green, guard-tackle Chris Hairston, wide receiver Stevie Johnson, guard-center Chris Watt, wide receiver Keenan Allen — inhale — cornerback Jason Verrett, cornerback Patrick Robinson, running back Branden Oliver, safety Darrell Stuckey and safety Jahleel Addae.
Twelve.
Twelve players exited Sunday with an injury at one point. Some returned. Eight didn’t. And that dozen could be a baker’s if including cornerback Brandon Flowers, who played intermittently and had his right knee iced after the game.
...
Dunlap injured his left ankle on the second play of the game and was carted from the sideline to the locker room. That bumped left guard Chris Hairston to tackle and Kenny Wiggins off the bench to left guard. Hairston then injured his knee. That moved right tackle Joe Barksdale to left tackle, right guard Kenny Wiggins to right tackle and reserve Chris Watt off the bench to left guard. Watt was injured on his second play. Undrafted rookie Tyreek Burwell became Rivers’ left tackle, and Wiggins moved to left guard as Barksdale returned to right tackle. Hairston reentered the game, subbing out Burwell.
Make it through all of that?
The Chargers somehow did. That alone happened in the first half.
So did Liuget’s left foot injury, which had him carted off minutes after Dunlap was. On the final offensive play of the half, Allen fell hard when completing an acrobatic touchdown catch in the back-left corner of the end zone. He dealt with muscle spasms and, like Liuget and Dunlap and Green (ankle) and Stuckey (leg, unspecified) and Watt (shoulder) and Robinson (concussion) and Oliver (toe), did not return.
Weddle has been out for 2 games. He's pretty important to the defense. Te'o and Perriman were also out prior to yesterday. They're not a good defense, to be sure, but without the other injuries I'm not sure it matters as much.They are also a play here and a play there from being 0-8. They have the worst defense in the NFL and possibly the worst special teams, and those issues cannot be explained away due to injuries. Until yesterday, there had not been an abnormal number of injuries on defense, they had mostly been concentrated on the OL and in the receiving group (WR/TE).bfan85 said:From the UT:
Injuries have been a story all year for the Chargers, especially the o-line, but yesterday was in a league by itself. Hard to win under those conditions, but once again they made it close. They're not a good football team right now...they're a play here and a play there from a 5-3 record, possibly even 6-2, and good teams make those plays that get them over the hump instead of losing on the final play of the game. But you can't entirely discount the injuries. Perhaps they those games wouldn't have had to come down to the wire.The official count from the Chargers sideline was left tackle King Dunlap, defensive end Corey Liuget, tight end Ladarius Green, guard-tackle Chris Hairston, wide receiver Stevie Johnson, guard-center Chris Watt, wide receiver Keenan Allen — inhale — cornerback Jason Verrett, cornerback Patrick Robinson, running back Branden Oliver, safety Darrell Stuckey and safety Jahleel Addae.
Twelve.
Twelve players exited Sunday with an injury at one point. Some returned. Eight didn’t. And that dozen could be a baker’s if including cornerback Brandon Flowers, who played intermittently and had his right knee iced after the game.
...
Dunlap injured his left ankle on the second play of the game and was carted from the sideline to the locker room. That bumped left guard Chris Hairston to tackle and Kenny Wiggins off the bench to left guard. Hairston then injured his knee. That moved right tackle Joe Barksdale to left tackle, right guard Kenny Wiggins to right tackle and reserve Chris Watt off the bench to left guard. Watt was injured on his second play. Undrafted rookie Tyreek Burwell became Rivers’ left tackle, and Wiggins moved to left guard as Barksdale returned to right tackle. Hairston reentered the game, subbing out Burwell.
Make it through all of that?
The Chargers somehow did. That alone happened in the first half.
So did Liuget’s left foot injury, which had him carted off minutes after Dunlap was. On the final offensive play of the half, Allen fell hard when completing an acrobatic touchdown catch in the back-left corner of the end zone. He dealt with muscle spasms and, like Liuget and Dunlap and Green (ankle) and Stuckey (leg, unspecified) and Watt (shoulder) and Robinson (concussion) and Oliver (toe), did not return.
Here is the starting defense, with how many games they have missed this season:Weddle has been out for 2 games. He's pretty important to the defense. Te'o and Perriman were also out prior to yesterday. They're not a good defense, to be sure, but without the other injuries I'm not sure it matters as much.They are also a play here and a play there from being 0-8. They have the worst defense in the NFL and possibly the worst special teams, and those issues cannot be explained away due to injuries. Until yesterday, there had not been an abnormal number of injuries on defense, they had mostly been concentrated on the OL and in the receiving group (WR/TE).bfan85 said:From the UT:
Injuries have been a story all year for the Chargers, especially the o-line, but yesterday was in a league by itself. Hard to win under those conditions, but once again they made it close. They're not a good football team right now...they're a play here and a play there from a 5-3 record, possibly even 6-2, and good teams make those plays that get them over the hump instead of losing on the final play of the game. But you can't entirely discount the injuries. Perhaps they those games wouldn't have had to come down to the wire.The official count from the Chargers sideline was left tackle King Dunlap, defensive end Corey Liuget, tight end Ladarius Green, guard-tackle Chris Hairston, wide receiver Stevie Johnson, guard-center Chris Watt, wide receiver Keenan Allen — inhale — cornerback Jason Verrett, cornerback Patrick Robinson, running back Branden Oliver, safety Darrell Stuckey and safety Jahleel Addae.
Twelve.
Twelve players exited Sunday with an injury at one point. Some returned. Eight didn’t. And that dozen could be a baker’s if including cornerback Brandon Flowers, who played intermittently and had his right knee iced after the game.
...
Dunlap injured his left ankle on the second play of the game and was carted from the sideline to the locker room. That bumped left guard Chris Hairston to tackle and Kenny Wiggins off the bench to left guard. Hairston then injured his knee. That moved right tackle Joe Barksdale to left tackle, right guard Kenny Wiggins to right tackle and reserve Chris Watt off the bench to left guard. Watt was injured on his second play. Undrafted rookie Tyreek Burwell became Rivers’ left tackle, and Wiggins moved to left guard as Barksdale returned to right tackle. Hairston reentered the game, subbing out Burwell.
Make it through all of that?
The Chargers somehow did. That alone happened in the first half.
So did Liuget’s left foot injury, which had him carted off minutes after Dunlap was. On the final offensive play of the half, Allen fell hard when completing an acrobatic touchdown catch in the back-left corner of the end zone. He dealt with muscle spasms and, like Liuget and Dunlap and Green (ankle) and Stuckey (leg, unspecified) and Watt (shoulder) and Robinson (concussion) and Oliver (toe), did not return.
we knew coming in that they had the worst front 7 in football. It awful.Here is the starting defense, with how many games they have missed this season:Weddle has been out for 2 games. He's pretty important to the defense. Te'o and Perriman were also out prior to yesterday. They're not a good defense, to be sure, but without the other injuries I'm not sure it matters as much.They are also a play here and a play there from being 0-8. They have the worst defense in the NFL and possibly the worst special teams, and those issues cannot be explained away due to injuries. Until yesterday, there had not been an abnormal number of injuries on defense, they had mostly been concentrated on the OL and in the receiving group (WR/TE).bfan85 said:From the UT:
Injuries have been a story all year for the Chargers, especially the o-line, but yesterday was in a league by itself. Hard to win under those conditions, but once again they made it close. They're not a good football team right now...they're a play here and a play there from a 5-3 record, possibly even 6-2, and good teams make those plays that get them over the hump instead of losing on the final play of the game. But you can't entirely discount the injuries. Perhaps they those games wouldn't have had to come down to the wire.The official count from the Chargers sideline was left tackle King Dunlap, defensive end Corey Liuget, tight end Ladarius Green, guard-tackle Chris Hairston, wide receiver Stevie Johnson, guard-center Chris Watt, wide receiver Keenan Allen — inhale — cornerback Jason Verrett, cornerback Patrick Robinson, running back Branden Oliver, safety Darrell Stuckey and safety Jahleel Addae.
Twelve.
Twelve players exited Sunday with an injury at one point. Some returned. Eight didn’t. And that dozen could be a baker’s if including cornerback Brandon Flowers, who played intermittently and had his right knee iced after the game.
...
Dunlap injured his left ankle on the second play of the game and was carted from the sideline to the locker room. That bumped left guard Chris Hairston to tackle and Kenny Wiggins off the bench to left guard. Hairston then injured his knee. That moved right tackle Joe Barksdale to left tackle, right guard Kenny Wiggins to right tackle and reserve Chris Watt off the bench to left guard. Watt was injured on his second play. Undrafted rookie Tyreek Burwell became Rivers’ left tackle, and Wiggins moved to left guard as Barksdale returned to right tackle. Hairston reentered the game, subbing out Burwell.
Make it through all of that?
The Chargers somehow did. That alone happened in the first half.
So did Liuget’s left foot injury, which had him carted off minutes after Dunlap was. On the final offensive play of the half, Allen fell hard when completing an acrobatic touchdown catch in the back-left corner of the end zone. He dealt with muscle spasms and, like Liuget and Dunlap and Green (ankle) and Stuckey (leg, unspecified) and Watt (shoulder) and Robinson (concussion) and Oliver (toe), did not return.
0 DL Lissemore
0 DL Liuget
0 DL Reyes
0 OLB Ingram
1 OLB Attaochu
3 ILB Teo
0 ILB Butler
1 CB Flowers
1 CB Verrett
3 S Addae
2 S Weddle
Key backups:
0 DL Mathews
0 DL Carrethers (he was inactive for 2 games but not due to injury)
0 OLB Emanuel
1 ILB Perryman
0 ILB Conner
0 CB Williams
0 DB Wilson
0 DB Robinson
0 S Stuckey
That is 11 games missed by the starting defense and only 1 game missed by the key reserves in 8 team games. Also, they were the worst defense in the NFL before yesterday, and 3 of the 12 missed games were yesterday. So before that, it was 9 missed player games in 7 team games.
Do you view those numbers as abnormal in the NFL? I don't.
Injuries are not a valid excuse for their awful defensive performance this season. The fault for that lies with Telesco and the coaching staff.
So is Stevie. He came back in last week after hurting his shoulder, but I haven't heard any updates. As of now, it sounds like all will play.Keenan Allen was one of Rivers' security blankets, along with Antonio Gates, on short and intermediate routes. Steve Johnson will probably get more of those looks now (still along with Gates).
Malcom Floyd and Dontrell Inman are used more as deep threats. Their roles may not change much. (Inman gets more underneath routes than Floyd does.)
Ladarius Green will probably be on the field more. (Note that Gates and Green are both banged up as well, though.)
Add Woodhead to the list of underneath receivers who could take on a bigger role in the passing game, but I don't really know what's going on with how the RB reps are being divided. There's no reason not to use Woodhead more, but that doesn't mean it will happen. The Bears could provide Melvin Gordon his first big game...
#1 priority is still NT IMO. (Assuming the team sticks with the 3-4 base defense.) I don't think historically there is a need to use a top 5 pick on the top NT in the draft, so how about trading down to pick up picks for a change, and using the first pick on a NT? Then use the 2nd, 3rd, and other pick(s) gained by trading down to draft nothing but DL and OL.So, we're probably looking at a Top 5 pick. Get a franchise LT? Stud pass rusher? Shutdown Corner? May also need a WR to complement Allen.
Baby steps. But at least in the right direction.JWB has to be super happy now
Jacoby Jones released Tue Nov 3, 05:59 PM
The San Diego Chargers released WR Jacoby Jones Tuesday, Nov. 3.
yeah losing to the bears is unacceptable.So people will be fired soon - right? Unfortunately we can't fire the owners. They're awful. Probably not too early to start firing the trainers and strength & conditioning folks. Having this many injuries is not just pure bad luck.
They are the problem. And I think Dean is just as much a problem as his progeny. Until they're gone, or get brain replacement surgery, the Chargers aren't going to be championship contenders. Tomlinson and Rivers have carried this franchise for the last 15 years. They got lucky in the draft from 2003-2006, but they couldn't sustain it. I don't see much to look forward to when Rivers is gone.There is a lot of talk on Chargers radio about the Spanos family being a fundamental part of the problem. Not as much Dean Spanos as his two sons, who are Presidents of Business and Football Operations. I don't see how anyone could feel that either Business or Football Operations are going well for the Chargers, but I assume neither of those two will ever be fired. Which suggests that the organization may be mired in mediocrity (or worse) forever.
just wait till they move to LA and play in a half empty new stadiumThey are the problem. And I think Dean is just as much a problem as his progeny. Until they're gone, or get brain replacement surgery, the Chargers aren't going to be championship contenders. Tomlinson and Rivers have carried this franchise for the last 15 years. They got lucky in the draft from 2003-2006, but they couldn't sustain it. I don't see much to look forward to when Rivers is gone.There is a lot of talk on Chargers radio about the Spanos family being a fundamental part of the problem. Not as much Dean Spanos as his two sons, who are Presidents of Business and Football Operations. I don't see how anyone could feel that either Business or Football Operations are going well for the Chargers, but I assume neither of those two will ever be fired. Which suggests that the organization may be mired in mediocrity (or worse) forever.
Maybe Archie and Eli were right.They are the problem. And I think Dean is just as much a problem as his progeny. Until they're gone, or get brain replacement surgery, the Chargers aren't going to be championship contenders. Tomlinson and Rivers have carried this franchise for the last 15 years. They got lucky in the draft from 2003-2006, but they couldn't sustain it. I don't see much to look forward to when Rivers is gone.There is a lot of talk on Chargers radio about the Spanos family being a fundamental part of the problem. Not as much Dean Spanos as his two sons, who are Presidents of Business and Football Operations. I don't see how anyone could feel that either Business or Football Operations are going well for the Chargers, but I assume neither of those two will ever be fired. Which suggests that the organization may be mired in mediocrity (or worse) forever.
The results seem to support their case. I wonder if Rivers is second guessing signing that extension. Probably not, since they'd have just franchised him, but still, I bet he's wishing he was somewhere with a clearer shot at a title right now. Instead he's got idiots wasting picks on part time running backs instead of putting a legitimate offensive line in front of him. Got to give him credit for being a great team player. I never hear him say a bad thing about his teammates, the coaches or even management even when many of them richly deserve tons of criticism.tommyGunZ said:Maybe
Maybe Archie and Eli were right.They are the problem. And I think Dean is just as much a problem as his progeny. Until they're gone, or get brain replacement surgery, the Chargers aren't going to be championship contenders. Tomlinson and Rivers have carried this franchise for the last 15 years. They got lucky in the draft from 2003-2006, but they couldn't sustain it. I don't see much to look forward to when Rivers is gone.There is a lot of talk on Chargers radio about the Spanos family being a fundamental part of the problem. Not as much Dean Spanos as his two sons, who are Presidents of Business and Football Operations. I don't see how anyone could feel that either Business or Football Operations are going well for the Chargers, but I assume neither of those two will ever be fired. Which suggests that the organization may be mired in mediocrity (or worse) forever.
its sucks, because really they had a contender. the whole AJ v Marty feud, while I don't think Marty would of won a superbowl, the hiring of Norv to be AJ yes man was basically a terrible move and the whole world knew it. (sigh)The results seem to support their case. I wonder if Rivers is second guessing signing that extension. Probably not, since they'd have just franchised him, but still, I bet he's wishing he was somewhere with a clearer shot at a title right now. Instead he's got idiots wasting picks on part time running backs instead of putting a legitimate offensive line in front of him. Got to give him credit for being a great team player. I never hear him say a bad thing about his teammates, the coaches or even management even when many of them richly deserve tons of criticism.tommyGunZ said:Maybe
Maybe Archie and Eli were right.They are the problem. And I think Dean is just as much a problem as his progeny. Until they're gone, or get brain replacement surgery, the Chargers aren't going to be championship contenders. Tomlinson and Rivers have carried this franchise for the last 15 years. They got lucky in the draft from 2003-2006, but they couldn't sustain it. I don't see much to look forward to when Rivers is gone.There is a lot of talk on Chargers radio about the Spanos family being a fundamental part of the problem. Not as much Dean Spanos as his two sons, who are Presidents of Business and Football Operations. I don't see how anyone could feel that either Business or Football Operations are going well for the Chargers, but I assume neither of those two will ever be fired. Which suggests that the organization may be mired in mediocrity (or worse) forever.
Yes, ####### Marlon McCree. That was their year. Then, the whole fiasco with Marty, which was bad enough in and of itself, but the timing of finally letting him go ended up in them missing out on some better coaching prospects and ending up with Norv. Didn't Harbaugh become HC of the Ravens that offseason? I thought he was one of the guys we were talking about as a possible replacement. Imagine if they had landed him instead of Norv.its sucks, because really they had a contender. the whole AJ v Marty feud, while I don't think Marty would of won a superbowl, the hiring of Norv to be AJ yes man was basically a terrible move and the whole world knew it. (sigh)
I could pick out a few subjects that have made the 3 Bad Things list over the Bolts first 9 games and list them again right here, because we saw them again Monday Night. The fact that we are still seeing stuff from this team that have been identified as problems 60 days ago, is yet one more damming indictment of the poor performance of Charger Management. We have several options here, but none of them are good:
- The coaches have been unable to identify the team's problems, or
- The coaches do not know how to fix the situations identified as problems, or
- The coaches cannot effectively communicate the proper fixes to the players, or
- The players are not responding to coaching communication, or
- The players are just not good enough to implement the correct fixes, properly communicated to them, which they are willing to implement.
I suspect that it is a combination of all of the above. All but the last situation is on McCoy and the rest of the coaching staff. And about the last situation...
If there is a deficiency in talent and ability, that is on the GM and the front office. The only remaining players on this team from the former regime are ones that have been retained (often at top dollar) by the current GM. I have already speculated that the current coaching staff is unable or unwilling to coach the team they have, but instead are coaching with the team they WISHED they had. Of course, it could be that the GM, coaches, and most of the players just don't care and they are taking their cue for that from the very top of the organization.
Since the ownership is silent in this bye week about making the type of changes that have already been done in Miami and Tennessee, it is obvious that the Spanos family just does not care about the quality of the product they are putting on the field. The fact that I can repeat myself in these columns is a fairly good indicator that the root cause for this organization's trouble is a deep seated dysfunction. If the Chargers were a person, I would suspect that they need an exorcism, an enema, and some intensive psychological therapy administered simultaneously.
They really need a whole new regime in place before the draft - you can't let these guys near the #1 overall pick if you want any shot at getting out of the cellar any time soon.
I disagree with this. The team has grossly underperformed this season. With a better coaching staff, this team could/should have won 6-7 games even with the injuries.And now I think dealing Rivers has to be back on the table. This thing doesn't get put back together in one offseason, and he's not going to last long behind that offensive like. I'm thinking mostly for his sake he'd be better off elsewhere.