Classic debate and happens everyday. The smaller hotshots who weren't athletic enough to play the big sports end up doing MMA. Most of them have the common sense not to mouth off to a guy that's a foot taller and 100 lbs on them. But some don't. I'll take the bigger guy anyday and be right more than I'll be wrong.Jeez, MMA today is like karate in the 1970s -- makes up for any and all size/age/experience discrepancies. Must have a ton of teenage MMA hotshots get their arzses handed to them in barrooms all across America.
Here it isI am your size (6'2", 225lbs) and I have had this debate with friends many times.
I say with certainty I can woop any 5ft nothing 115-125lb guy pretty much regardless of boxing or other skills.
It would be like fighting a fourth grade boxer.
Sounds about right.watching The First 48 over the weekend. some poor ******* trying to defend his cousin gets jumped on by a group of people.. he fights back... gets shot and killed.
one of the suspects gets interviewed. he tells the story of how the victim came out to break up the fight and "just started knocking (their) asses out.. one after another. boom! boom! boom!" we're not talking about random citizens.. these guys were Bloods living in a housing project so... presuming here.. they'd had their fair share of fights and he was just laying them out like a cartoon fight.
turns out the guy was a semi-pro boxer. based solely on the pictures.. maybe in the 150 range. something like that. he was, apparently, smoking all comers to the point where someone fired warning shots in the air to make him stop and then just shot him when he wouldn't quit.
immediately thought of the awesomeness that was this thread
reminds me of the last house party i attended freshman yearSounds about right.
Most guys never think they could beat a pro b-ball player, a pro tennis player, a pro pool player, a pro whatever. Except, for some reason, they think they can beat a pro fighter. It's really weird.
reminds me of the last house party i attended freshman year
my drunken buddy got in to a verbal altercation with some guy. they were roughly the same size give or take. other guy was a little taller but equally as lean. by the time i got over to see wtf was going on people were pulling them apart. they never threw punches but hats were turned backwards and tobacco was spat.
one of the other guy's friends and i part of the holding back/separating of people when he said to me in a worried/panicky voice "you have to get your friend out of here.. (his friend) is a gold gloves boxer. he lives for this ####. he's going to punch a hole right through your friend's head. seriously. just get him out of here before he gets killed."
You don't know Matuski. He's a real badassOne of my older brother was an accomplished amateur boxer and fought in the Golden Gloves for a few years and faired well but never won the state title. Went into the Marines after high school and boxed a bit while in the service. When he got out his former trainer/manager wanted him to try taking a shot at boxing professionally. My brother had unbelievable skills but didn't have a jaw so his decision was easy. One day we're sparring in the living room. At the time he was about 6'2+ 185 and I was about 6'1 210. So he's taller with a longer reach but I had about 25 lbs on him and was much stronger and more athletic. We're wearing heavy bags gloves and I think they were about 6oz. We were going about 3/4 speed and he's just absolutely toying with me with his jab and his defensive skills were so good I could barely hit him. I eventually caught him with a right and I staggered him pretty good. He steps back, shakes it off and the next thing I know I was failing back onto the couch and the room was spinning. Within a split second it was jab, jab, right and it was so quick and so hard I didn't see it coming. Game over.
Anyone that thinks you can wipe out a top notch pro you better pray that you get them to the ground within a few seconds or sucker punch them. The speed of their punches, the quickness to avoid your punches and the precision of where they land their punches is just silly.
watching The First 48 over the weekend. some poor ******* trying to defend his cousin gets jumped on by a group of people.. he fights back... gets shot and killed.
one of the suspects gets interviewed. he tells the story of how the victim came out to break up the fight and "just started knocking (their) asses out.. one after another. boom! boom! boom!" we're not talking about random citizens.. these guys were Bloods living in a housing project so... presuming here.. they'd had their fair share of fights and he was just laying them out like a cartoon fight.
turns out the guy was a semi-pro boxer. based solely on the pictures.. maybe in the 150 range. something like that. he was, apparently, smoking all comers to the point where someone fired warning shots in the air to make him stop and then just shot him when he wouldn't quit.
immediately thought of the awesomeness that was this thread
Was never the case.In his own mind.
I would never have been stupid enough to spar with your brother. What were you thinking?One of my older brother was an accomplished amateur boxer and fought in the Golden Gloves for a few years and faired well but never won the state title. Went into the Marines after high school and boxed a bit while in the service. When he got out his former trainer/manager wanted him to try taking a shot at boxing professionally. My brother had unbelievable skills but didn't have a jaw so his decision was easy. One day we're sparring in the living room. At the time he was about 6'2+ 185 and I was about 6'1 210. So he's taller with a longer reach but I had about 25 lbs on him and was much stronger and more athletic. We're wearing heavy bags gloves and I think they were about 6oz. We were going about 3/4 speed and he's just absolutely toying with me with his jab and his defensive skills were so good I could barely hit him. I eventually caught him with a right and I staggered him pretty good. He steps back, shakes it off and the next thing I know I was failing back onto the couch and the room was spinning. Within a split second it was jab, jab, right and it was so quick and so hard I didn't see it coming. Game over.
Anyone that thinks you can wipe out a top notch pro you better pray that you get them to the ground within a few seconds or sucker punch them. The speed of their punches, the quickness to avoid your punches and the precision of where they land their punches is just silly.
We have been down this road.. people go straight to all their stories about people smaller than them, and this is about as small as they get.many, many years ago I had the pleasure to work with a retired pro boxer who I believed fought at around 155, whatever division that is in. me having a curious nature i was always asking him to give me his best in the arm. he always used to tell me he liked me and he wouldn't do it. well, again my curiosity and persistent nature finally got to him and he obliged me. at the time I was around 240 pounds and probably outweighed him by 70 plus pounds. the amount of torque and force he was able to generate without your typical haymaker punch by average joe bar fighter was incredible. the amount of damage I'm sure he could have inflicted on me had he just put a 3 piece together....those guys are just at a complete other level...
the guy that jumped out of the white Hyundai in broad daylight?cockroach said:The one that was told along side this story with the unbelievable surveillance footage was crazy
Yea, where his passenger tried to throw him under the bus, but they had footage of him licking off shots as well.the guy that jumped out of the white Hyundai in broad daylight?
He was teaching me how to use my hands and defend myself. Being a pretty good all around athlete and stronger than him I wanted to see where I stood. He knocked me out but I learned that any skilled fighter is extremely dangerous and its best to not to mouth off to strangers as you never know who you will run into. He trained my younger brother who fought in the Golden Gloves as well so since I was between them in age I was used often as a lesser skilled but stronger opponent that they'd tee off on.matuski said:I would never have been stupid enough to spar with your brother. What were you thinking?
In an open area Manny would dance around for a few minutes to tire his victim out while said victim swings wildly. Manny could work the body at will with kidney shots, after a minute or two if his victim is still standing he'd be pissed off that he'd finish you with a flurry, first staggering you then knocking you out. I don't think people understand just how quick these guys are and just how good their defensive skills are. The best comparison I can make is try cornering a hungry feral cat and mess with it and let me know if the cat doesn't scratch the crap out of you as that's the type of striking speed and precision one would see.Insane claim by any measure. I'm fairly arrogant and I'd kick some ###, but even in my prime, at 6'2, 225 with basically no fat and extreme strength, I would've gotten the #### kicked out of me by Manny, it wouldn't be close.
I'd imagine my tactic would be to get into a wrestling match and mount him or maybe go for a chokehold - I'd also imagine he breaks my jaw as soon as I go in to lock-up.
I still get a kick out of the idiots on this board who vehemently argued Ronda Rousey would toss Mayweather around like a rag doll. I remember a Canadin poster arguing this claim heavily, I'd like him to double down on stupid.
Also entered the ring once via a flying parrot perch or something.While Prince Naseem was 5-4, he fought much of his career between 118 and 126. He was such a quick ####er and he had insane power. He would be really hard to get a hand on and if he caught you with a barehanded power punch, the fight is over.
dear lord...this cant be realWas at a crowded bar in Boston circa 1990 with my brother and one of our buddies who was a good street fighter in his day and would be the perfect subject for this thread. I guess my buddy bumped shoulders with Marvin Hagler in the crowded bar and the two had a bit of a standoff. Of course I was stuck between the two potential combatants and probably would have been knocked out too. After starring at each other for a bit Hagler wiped his brow as if to say "I won't break a sweat with you" to my buddy and moved along. My brother and I decided it was best to leave said establishment before our buddy ended up in the ICU. Funny thing is the rest of the night my buddy was telling me that he would have beat Hagler - some people are just delusional and need to learn the hard way. My buddy was lucky that night.
hes still walking around ? lolApparently you've never meet my buddy.
Years!I love that matuski is still doubling down after all these years.
He's ok now but in his day he epitomized the mindset of a decent local steet fighter thinking he's got a real shot of KO'ing a pro. I never understood the mindset but there are plenty of them out there.hes still walking around ? lol
very true matsuki. my friend was quite a bit larger than this scenario posted. the only other case I would make, and this is only going by my friend and not firsthanded knowledge. have a friend who trained for a period of time in the same gym as raphael assuncao, who is listed around 5'4- 5'5 and fought at 135. my friend observed him regularly boxing with 205 ers and he was amazed to see him take shot after shot from these bigger men with apparently little concern. said a very unemotional businesslike reaction. said he would just walk these guys into a corner and drop them. now granted they did have the 16oz gloves on, but I imagine so did raphael.matuski said:We have been down this road.. people go straight to all their stories about people smaller than them, and this is about as small as they get.
At 155, your friend was a damned giant compared to this imaginary opponent. Also doubt he was 5 feet tall.
Which brings us back around.. people brought Pacquiao (who himself is now a giant compared to the 5'6" 129lb self cited) into the thread because they quite literally couldn't find actual people this small. As small as Pacquiao was, he was nowhere close to the height and even after cutting weight - still significantly above weight.
Walk around this week... the smallest adult male you see is probably nowhere close to the parameters set. Start looking at middle school kids, and even then choose one of the runts.
Lastly, while everyone again tries to hop in the thread without reading it with the "you don't understand" stuff.. my dad boxed in college, black belt, hand to hand combat/submission training, etc. I do get it, which is why it took a nearly non existent example for me to make the claim I made.
well ive been boxing and training since i was 15 and im 51 now ...i fought amateur but never pro( im a self professed gym rat)...but ive sparred with pro`s ...and i can tell you that when you actually experience what pro level fighters can do ,you learn real fast what respect means...a man like Hagler is on a level people like us can even fathomHe's ok now but in his day he epitomized the mindset of a decent local steet fighter thinking he's got a real shot of KO'ing a pro. I never understood the mindset but there are plenty of them out there.
My favorite fighter. I was at this fight.well ive been boxing and training since i was 15 and im 51 now ...i fought amateur but never pro( im a self professed gym rat)...but ive sparred with pro`s ...and i can tell you that when you actually experience what pro level fighters can do ,you learn real fast what respect means...a man like Hagler is on a level people like us can even fathom
So, so many good posts in this thread. Can't believe it's been 9 years.I would give myself good odds with the likes of Pacquiao. He is listed at 5'6" 126lbs, in the pictures I call serious BS on the 5'6" part - he BARELY clears the top ropes. IN A STREET FIGHT (as in I would not box with him).Once you get to 150lb range, I have made no claims about that.5'8"-5'11" 150lbs >>>>>>>>> 5'2"-5'6" 125lbs. No comparison.I already stated Pacquaio is 130 lbs. You don't think he would knock you out with a shot to the chin? It makes it easier to discuss if you put a face on it instead of talking about 5'1" jockeys.If you're talking about a street fight - there isn't a 125 class in MMA, but there is a long list of guys 150 and under who would seriously damage the average untrained 225 lber. In any real gym, they will have sparred with the heavyweights on a regular basis. Kid Yamamoto is about 145 and would mess you up. Olympic level wrestling, heavy hands and a mean streak.
Lovely performance, if only brief.My favorite fighter. I was at this fight.
British people are garbage.Classy crowd.
I've only been training three years (I'm 50) and I've sparred some pro MMA guys who I am sure a professional boxer would beat pretty easliy in a boxing match. It's really amazing how good some of these guys are, and until you see it, it's hard to believe.well ive been boxing and training since i was 15 and im 51 now ...i fought amateur but never pro( im a self professed gym rat)...but ive sparred with pro`s ...and i can tell you that when you actually experience what pro level fighters can do ,you learn real fast what respect means...a man like Hagler is on a level people like us can even fathom
Studied Akido even.But Matuski's dad was a badass too. That has to count for something!