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ApparentlyDid I miss a joke?PaycheckoPachecoSmall and slow and now officially back to pumpkin status - fitting it happened between Halloween and Thanksgiving. Meanwhile Paychecko averaged 5.1 YPC yesterday...
ApparentlyDid I miss a joke?PaycheckoPachecoSmall and slow and now officially back to pumpkin status - fitting it happened between Halloween and Thanksgiving. Meanwhile Paychecko averaged 5.1 YPC yesterday...
He is dynamic- his size speed combo is very impressive. His main issue is that he lacks patience and is always trying to run at full speed right from the handoff and doesn’t read his blockers well. I made a joke earlier that he’s probably not used to holes since Rutgers o-line was always grossly overmatched in the B1G. If he can be molded a little I think he has a shot provided he gets the carries- but with all that said he was a 7th round pick. It’s not hard to imagine him getting replaced by a RB in the next class.I’m just not sure if he’s special. He’s fast, and he has some power. But he doesn’t seem like a dynamic RB, and I wouldn’t be shocked to see him not have a long shelf life past 2022.Bizarre. Had
I don’t disagree with this but what would you be looking to get? He is a tough player to value. Team loves him, high powered offense, and he seems to have ascended to their RB1. On the other hand this is a pass first squad, he is not involved in the passing game, and game script could still dictate his usage.I’m actually contemplating putting Pacheco on the block, as I think he may be a sell high at this pointSmall and slow and now officially back to pumpkin status - fitting it happened between Halloween and Thanksgiving. Meanwhile Paychecko averaged 5.1 YPC yesterday...
Thinking a 2023 2nd would be a price I’d be willing to part with him for. There might be enough buzz to get it, especially from a contender (late pick) and if they need a RB this year.
I might float it & see if anyone nibbles.
Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Clyde Edwards-Helaire suffered a high-ankle sprain in Sunday's win over the Chargers.
CEH exited early in the first quarter of Sunday's contest and didn't return to the field. Now that we know the details of his injury, we will wait to see how long the Chiefs expect their former first-round pick to be sidelined. Speaking frankly, CEH had already been sidelined prior to this injury. He saw a six-percent snap share in the team's Week 10 win over the Jaguars, which was a drop from the 17 percent snap share he saw the previous week. Rookie Isiah Pacheco should be in line for additional work in the running game, while Jerick McKinnon should serve as the pass-catching back. Any extended absence by Edwards-Helaire could also breathe life into the Ronald Jones hive, which has lied dormant for most of the 2022 season.
Nov 21, 2022, 5:56 PM ET
Chiefs placed RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire (ankle) on injured reserve.
Edwards-Helaire had been all but phased out of the KC offense before suffering a high ankle sprain in Week 11 against the Chargers. His absence of at least four weeks will being some clarity to the Chiefs backfield. Isiah Pacheco, coming off a career game against the Chargers on Sunday Night Football, will continue as the team's primary early-down back while Jerick McKinnon functions are the main pass catchers out of the backfield. McKinnon's role makes him a better play than Pacheco in PPR formats. CEH's injury could force the Chiefs to make Ronald Jones active for the first time all season.
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SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Nov 23, 2022, 12:52 PM ET
Chiefs coach Andy Reid told reporters Clyde Edwards-Helaire (ankle/IR) is "close" to a return from injured reserve, but is "not ready."
Edwards-Helaire suffered a high-ankle sprain in Week 11 and is not expected to be a major part of the Chiefs RB rotation whenever he does return. Edwards-Helaire will probably not be ready to go before fantasy playoffs wrap, if he does come back this season. He'll enter the final year of his rookie contract in 2023 as a potential change of scenery candidate barring major positive developments.
SOURCE: Herbie Teope on Twitter
Dec 20, 2022, 1:04 PM ET
Clyde Edwards-Helaire (ankle) practiced Tuesday.
CEH, who hasn't played since Week 11, is likely to return to Kansas City's lineup for their Divisional Round matchup with the Jaguars. In his absence, Jerick McKinnon has seized most of the high value touches in the KC backfield, including much of the passing down work in the pass-heavy Chiefs attack. Edwards-Helaire's return could complicate McKinnon's role or take snaps away from early down banger Isiah Pacheco.
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SOURCE: Herbie Teope on Twitter
Jan 17, 2023, 12:56 PM ET
Extremely close.How close to the waiver wire is this guy?
This is a good thing. McKinnon has been fantastic along with Pacheco. I don't want to see a disruption at this point.
Not even activated for the divisional round game
I wonder how the dude in my league who offered me my own pick back for him (now the 1.01) feels about this.This is a good thing. McKinnon has been fantastic along with Pacheco. I don't want to see a disruption at this point.
Not even activated for the divisional round game
And he'll probably be gone next year.
I wonder how the dude in my league who offered me my own pick back for him (now the 1.01) feels about this.
It was last year immediately after his brief 3-game stretch of competence.I wonder how the dude in my league who offered me my own pick back for him (now the 1.01) feels about this.
Wow. In the one league where I decided to try some things and roster him, I got offered a second rounder tops. Last year. He didn't even draw a nibble this year. Good work.
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I’m aware. Autocorrect done me dirty.perineal
LOL. You might want to look up what that malaprop actually means. You'll get a kick out of it.
The Chiefs' did not active Clyde Edwards-Helaire (ankle) from injured reserve ahead of their Divisional Round game against the Jaguars.
Chiefs head coach Andy Reid expected this early in the week, saying Edwards-Helaire would "probably not" be activated before the game. Kansas City's backfield will once again be split by Isiah Pacheco and Jerick McKinnon. Facing a Jacksonville defense that is far more susceptible through the air than on the ground, McKinnon has a better fantasy outlook this week.
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SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter
That’s all you need to know about CEH. Next stop league waiver wire.The Chiefs' did not active Clyde Edwards-Helaire (ankle) from injured reserve ahead of their Divisional Round game against the Jaguars.
Chiefs head coach Andy Reid expected this early in the week, saying Edwards-Helaire would "probably not" be activated before the game. Kansas City's backfield will once again be split by Isiah Pacheco and Jerick McKinnon. Facing a Jacksonville defense that is far more susceptible through the air than on the ground, McKinnon has a better fantasy outlook this week.
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SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter
Chiefs coach Andy Reid there is a chance Clyde Edwards-Helaire (ankle) is activated from injured reserve for the AFC Championship game.
Reid noted that Jody Fortson, who is on injured reserve with an elbow injury, is more likely to be activated than Edwards-Helaire. Given Reid's lack of optimism about CEH returning, it's fairly safe to rule him out for the AFC Championship. Jerick McKinnon and Isiah Pacheco will split the Chiefs' backfield again this week. CEH will look to return for the Super Bowl if Kansas City beats the Bengals.
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SOURCE: Nate Taylor on Twitter
Jan 25, 2023, 1:26 PM ET
Chiefs activated RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire from injured reserve.
While CEH was activated from injured reserve, wide receiver Mecole Hardman was placed on injured reserve, ruling out any possibility of him playing in next week's Super Bowl against the Eagles. CEH last suited up for the Chiefs in Week 11 but has become an afterthought in the minds of most since then. With the emergence of rookie running back Isiah Pacheco in the running game and Jerick McKinnon in the passing game, the Chiefs have little reason to utilize CEH, who handled double-digit carries just once this season. While it appears he'll play in next week's game, Edwards-Helaire is nothing more than a galaxy brain play in Super Bowl DFS contests, as his usage is likely to be minimal.
Feb 6, 2023, 12:58 PM ET
That train has sailed.I would sell him for a bag of skittles. I'm thankful I only have one share.
I have Pacheco in 2 dynasty leagues and they are deep enough I may try to get ceh assuming ceh is on the roster post NFL draft.That train has sailed.I would sell him for a bag of skittles. I'm thankful I only have one share.
At this point you’re hoping for like, a skittle.
At this point you’re hoping for like, a skittle.
I still can’t believe my good fortune of someone offering me my own 1st round pick back for him after his 2-game competence streak.At this point you’re hoping for like, a skittle.
We never even got to taste the rainbow.
I'mma do a victory lap on this one. I was getting ripped up and down in this thread about CEH and how I projected him to be an ineffective pro. People were questioning my "newfangled" metrics. Well, speed score just does not lie if that you're that far away from the target.
Just...you can't get around being slow for your size. Helaireable had the double whammy of being not elusive, either. Just a death knell.
Ironically, I drafted Pacheco with a 5th.I think a future 5th rounder will be what I offer as I assume other teams just want ceh off their roster to pick up a flyer.
Still considering, selling him predraft, fearing with the Chiefs might do. If they draft Gibbs, for example, Pacheco is gonna take a massive hit.
I would counter that RB may actually be among KC’s biggest needs. I could see them spending a late 1st.get a weird feeling they'll draft a guy, but it won't be a huge priority. Their priorities should be protecting Mahomes and getting a defensive pass rush. Or a receiver given their skill position situation.
Imagine the potency of the Chiefs offense if they actually had a plus RB
But that offense really could use a dynamic RB and would benefit hugely from it.
They get a healthy Justyn Ross next year, they will be fineThere are also a plethora of free agent running backs that will be reasonably priced to bring in. In an offense that is built to pass, I would place a large wager they do not take a back in the early rounds. With Ju-Ju and Hardman free agents (and Toney struggling to stay on the field), I would put receiver as a much bigger priority. The Pacheco and McKinnon combo has collectively produced very well and I imagine they can get McKinnon to come back for another SB run. Draft another later round guy or add someone else from the FA pile and you have plenty for a pass friendly offense.
I’m not sure we aren’t saying the same things.Sure thing. It's possible that could happen. It wouldn't be sunk cost, though. Sunk cost is when you refuse to address a current situation because it cost you too much in the spending phase. I don't think they're refusing because they already spent and don't want to spend again because of the spending cost, I'm saying they won't spend because they learned. A difference, IMO.
Respectfully, I don’t see JAX as a comparable situation.The writing is less on the wall than it was with Robinson/Etienne and Carter/Breece Hall.
None of the FAs or McKinnon have Gibbs upside.There are also a plethora of free agent running backs that will be reasonably priced to bring in. In an offense that is built to pass, I would place a large wager they do not take a back in the early rounds. With Ju-Ju and Hardman free agents (and Toney struggling to stay on the field), I would put receiver as a much bigger priority. The Pacheco and McKinnon combo has collectively produced very well and I imagine they can get McKinnon to come back for another SB run. Draft another later round guy or add someone else from the FA pile and you have plenty for a pass friendly offense.
Remember the hype. Going back and reading the posts is hilarious.That train has sailed.I would sell him for a bag of skittles. I'm thankful I only have one share.
At this point you’re hoping for like, a skittle.
I get the excitement of pairing Gibbs with KC, I just don’t think they will find it as big of a priority as you are stating. As far as effectiveness I would argue 242 rushes for 1121 yards (4.6) and 69 rec for 642 (9.3) is something Reid is content with. Could it improve? Of course, but you could argue that with most positions. The offense runs through Mahomes, and relying on what is carrying over from last year would be surprising IMO. Not saying Moore is dead, but he also did not prove a lot this last year either.None of the FAs or McKinnon have Gibbs upside.There are also a plethora of free agent running backs that will be reasonably priced to bring in. In an offense that is built to pass, I would place a large wager they do not take a back in the early rounds. With Ju-Ju and Hardman free agents (and Toney struggling to stay on the field), I would put receiver as a much bigger priority. The Pacheco and McKinnon combo has collectively produced very well and I imagine they can get McKinnon to come back for another SB run. Draft another later round guy or add someone else from the FA pile and you have plenty for a pass friendly offense.
And McKinnon is gonna be 31
Rookie RBs are pretty affordable at the end of the 1st or into the 2nd compared to FA, even in a seemingly depressed RB market due to the glut.
I agree they’re going to need WR - I also wouldn’t be shocked if they spent a 1st on a WR. That said, if their guy isn’t there by the time they pick, Gibbs could fill that role as well. Kid can fly, and he runs routes like a WR.
It’s all speculation at this point, but I don’t think Pacheco/McKinnon were all that effective this year. And I don’t see anyone on the FA list that would be a big upgrade without spending on a Jacobs or Barkley, which I don’t see them doing.
Also I know the FF community has given up on Skyy Moore for dead after just 1 season, but he seems to be coming along a bit. I wouldn’t be at all shocked for him to have a prominent role in 2023.
Based on what, exactly?Not saying Moore is dead, but he also did not prove a lot this last year either.
Maybe I should rephrase differently. I don’t think a 22-250 regular season stat line lets the staff know if he is ready to be a starter yet. He had an okay rookie season, but I doubt KC goes into next year with him in the top 1-2 receiver spots. We know what MVS is and Toney is probably the most talented but cannot be counted on to stay on the field. Justyn Ross? It would be insane for them to enter camp with 1. MVS 2. Toney 3. Moore 4. Ross. And Kelce is turning 34 this year. Time will tell but I would put receiver as a much bigger priority than running back and I think they will as well.Based on what, exactly?Not saying Moore is dead, but he also did not prove a lot this last year either.
He’s been a KR/PR, and only used sporadically as a WR.
The last playoff game he proved he can get YAC & was a reliable target when targeted after their WRs went down. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a little more usage in the SB if their WR corps isn’t at full strength.
Maybe I should rephrase differently. I don’t think a 22-250 regular season stat line lets the staff know if he is ready to be a starter yet. He had an okay rookie season, but I doubt KC goes into next year with him in the top 1-2 receiver spots. We know what MVS is and Toney is probably the most talented but cannot be counted on to stay on the field. Justyn Ross? It would be insane for them to enter camp with 1. MVS 2. Toney 3. Moore 4. Ross. And Kelce is turning 34 this year. Time will tell but I would put receiver as a much bigger priority than running back and I think they will as well.Based on what, exactly?Not saying Moore is dead, but he also did not prove a lot this last year either.
He’s been a KR/PR, and only used sporadically as a WR.
The last playoff game he proved he can get YAC & was a reliable target when targeted after their WRs went down. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a little more usage in the SB if their WR corps isn’t at full strength.
I’m not saying they will go into next season with MVS, Toney, Moorec, & Ross.Maybe I should rephrase differently. I don’t think a 22-250 regular season stat line lets the staff know if he is ready to be a starter yet. He had an okay rookie season, but I doubt KC goes into next year with him in the top 1-2 receiver spots. We know what MVS is and Toney is probably the most talented but cannot be counted on to stay on the field. Justyn Ross? It would be insane for them to enter camp with 1. MVS 2. Toney 3. Moore 4. Ross. And Kelce is turning 34 this year. Time will tell but I would put receiver as a much bigger priority than running back and I think they will as well.Based on what, exactly?Not saying Moore is dead, but he also did not prove a lot this last year either.
He’s been a KR/PR, and only used sporadically as a WR.
The last playoff game he proved he can get YAC & was a reliable target when targeted after their WRs went down. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a little more usage in the SB if their WR corps isn’t at full strength.
reliable only if you ignore his punt returns. and just want a body on the fieldI’m not saying they will go into next season with MVS, Toney, Moorec, & Ross.Maybe I should rephrase differently. I don’t think a 22-250 regular season stat line lets the staff know if he is ready to be a starter yet. He had an okay rookie season, but I doubt KC goes into next year with him in the top 1-2 receiver spots. We know what MVS is and Toney is probably the most talented but cannot be counted on to stay on the field. Justyn Ross? It would be insane for them to enter camp with 1. MVS 2. Toney 3. Moore 4. Ross. And Kelce is turning 34 this year. Time will tell but I would put receiver as a much bigger priority than running back and I think they will as well.Based on what, exactly?Not saying Moore is dead, but he also did not prove a lot this last year either.
He’s been a KR/PR, and only used sporadically as a WR.
The last playoff game he proved he can get YAC & was a reliable target when targeted after their WRs went down. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a little more usage in the SB if their WR corps isn’t at full strength.
I’m saying Moore could be their WR3.
He has 2nd round draft capital, and he’s been reliable when he’s had opportunity. The opportunities have been limited, at best, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he was their WR3 next year. They invested enough that I expect them to give him that chance.
I didn’t say anything about him being the 1 or 2. Weird.
Wrong thread for this discussion and I know this will just keep going on endlessly. You said you wouldn’t be surprised if they took an RB in the first, I made points on why I think they are content with their setup and added that I believe receiver is a much bigger priority. We can see how the Chiefs feel this off-season.I’m not saying they will go into next season with MVS, Toney, Moorec, & Ross.Maybe I should rephrase differently. I don’t think a 22-250 regular season stat line lets the staff know if he is ready to be a starter yet. He had an okay rookie season, but I doubt KC goes into next year with him in the top 1-2 receiver spots. We know what MVS is and Toney is probably the most talented but cannot be counted on to stay on the field. Justyn Ross? It would be insane for them to enter camp with 1. MVS 2. Toney 3. Moore 4. Ross. And Kelce is turning 34 this year. Time will tell but I would put receiver as a much bigger priority than running back and I think they will as well.Based on what, exactly?Not saying Moore is dead, but he also did not prove a lot this last year either.
He’s been a KR/PR, and only used sporadically as a WR.
The last playoff game he proved he can get YAC & was a reliable target when targeted after their WRs went down. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a little more usage in the SB if their WR corps isn’t at full strength.
I’m saying Moore could be their WR3.
He has 2nd round draft capital, and he’s been reliable when he’s had opportunity. The opportunities have been limited, at best, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he was their WR3 next year. They invested enough that I expect them to give him that chance.
I didn’t say anything about him being the 1 or 2. Weird.
I agree that WR is their priority.Wrong thread for this discussion and I know this will just keep going on endlessly. You said you wouldn’t be surprised if they took an RB in the first, I made points on why I think they are content with their setup and added that I believe receiver is a much bigger priority. We can see how the Chiefs feel this off-season.I’m not saying they will go into next season with MVS, Toney, Moorec, & Ross.Maybe I should rephrase differently. I don’t think a 22-250 regular season stat line lets the staff know if he is ready to be a starter yet. He had an okay rookie season, but I doubt KC goes into next year with him in the top 1-2 receiver spots. We know what MVS is and Toney is probably the most talented but cannot be counted on to stay on the field. Justyn Ross? It would be insane for them to enter camp with 1. MVS 2. Toney 3. Moore 4. Ross. And Kelce is turning 34 this year. Time will tell but I would put receiver as a much bigger priority than running back and I think they will as well.Based on what, exactly?Not saying Moore is dead, but he also did not prove a lot this last year either.
He’s been a KR/PR, and only used sporadically as a WR.
The last playoff game he proved he can get YAC & was a reliable target when targeted after their WRs went down. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him get a little more usage in the SB if their WR corps isn’t at full strength.
I’m saying Moore could be their WR3.
He has 2nd round draft capital, and he’s been reliable when he’s had opportunity. The opportunities have been limited, at best, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he was their WR3 next year. They invested enough that I expect them to give him that chance.
I didn’t say anything about him being the 1 or 2. Weird.
Soon to be waiver wire guy.Inactive
One of the biggest 1.01 bust of all time in fantasy rookie drafts
The crazy part to me is how well (no, not Barry Sanders, but seemingly very solid results) he's actually performed when he plays. Why is he all of a sudden inactive the whole second half of the season? I don't get it. "CLEARANCE! BUY NOW!" maybe?Inactive
One of the biggest 1.01 bust of all time in fantasy rookie drafts