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The one smart thing OBJ did was sit out the entire 2022 season. I know he was talking about coming back at the end of the season for a playoff push, but better to give his knee the extra time to heal. A big overpay IMO by the Ravens, but will be interesting to see how effective he will be, especially with Lamar throwing him the ball. He looked pretty good at the end of 2021 but the Rams offense was a lot better with a healthy Stafford and Kupp to take away coverage than what he is walking into now.
Again, you kept pointing to measurables and draft capital as reasons Bateman will succeed. I pointed out that teams make mistakes on measurables all the time and draft capital isn't always an indicatior of future success. So yes, you made it up that I said Bateman is a bust.
Re-reading your post, in context you clearly implied it.
Absolute sucka’s!!
Under….no doubt in my mind.
Hard same
Polishing a turd because they are considered a sharp team.
How about 55 catches?
Well, I think he plays less than 11 games, so that would be 5 receptions per game?
Maybe this is the move they needed to resign Lamar to reasonable terms. He can't be any worse than Sammy Watkins or whatever other WR option is still available from the 2014 draft.
The other thing I laugh at in some articles I have seem are billing OBJ as a WR1 for BAL . . . like that's a good thing. Odell didn't do much drawing coverage from a team's third or fourth best corners. If he is the top option in BAL, he would get a team's best coverage guy. Also, the Ravens have been in the Bottom 5 in passing attempts 3 of the past 4 years (twice ranked last). He may end up being the Ravens WR1 . . . but he would likely be a NFL WR3 forced into WR1 for BAL. Sort of like NE having a bunch of WR3's . . . someone needed to take on a slightly bigger role.
A couple things on this.
At this point, we don't know what to expect from a Todd Monken offense with Lamar. Yes, in his 4 years as an OC at the NFL level, his teams averaged 586 passing attempts per season . . . with QBs that were pocket passers and didn't run much. His QB's averaged 57 rushing attempts per season. Using Lamar's average rushing attempts per game over a full season, that works out to 177 attempts (if he played 17 games). Who knows how much Lamar would run on designed runs or scramble on designed passes in a new system. I don't think it's crazy to wonder if Lamar gets the same rushing usage . . . meaning that would come out of the passing attempts category that I just listed. Take away 120 passing attempts per season (the difference in the rushing attempts by QB) . . . and that would leave 466 passing attempts per season. That would work out to 27.4 passing attempts per game. Lamar has averaged 26.9 attempts per game over his career. I have no idea what will happen with the Ravens offense, but if Lamar's biggest attribute is running the ball to create havoc defensively, I am not sure they will try to change that too much if that's what's been working.
Because they’re about to guarantee something like 200+ million dollars?
We don't know that.
Can I chalk it up to you making a mistake because if you check, did I say CAP or did you make a false assumption?
I mean, it seems like a safe assumption, but sure. Just saying if they do, they might wanna protect their investment.
Plus, John Harbaugh is still the head coach and a strong personality. Last year he said he wanted to get back to running the ball, so hard to believe he will make an about face and throw the ball more regardless of how much they pay Lamar.
Also the last time Lamar played like he's anywhere close to worth the contract he's asking for, yet many think he "deserves" it.
Maybe they’ll run more with Dobbins & Co.
I’ve never agreed with anyone more on this forum. Just so much money.
I didn’t imply Jackson would run the ball more himself. He does that plenty already. They will run the ball more as a team vs throwing the ball more like they did in 2021. Don’t expect a big uptick in passing due to the coordinator change.
I mean, right now we don’t even know who’s playing QB, so…
Curious to see him signed in April for this kind of money. He's kinda the Kareem Hunt of WRs to me. He has value but I don't see him as an early domino to fall - more like 2/3rds of the way back..
The reality is no one knows. It doesn't seem likely that he's going to light the world on fire, but the Cam comparison is silly. OBJ played very well the last several games we saw him, Cam was washed. Now, if you're talking about Lamar, that MVP seems to be evergreen...
Teams do not pay players CAP they pay every player a salary from a payroll.
He’s no longer elite - but people do seem to be forgetting he looked good with the Rams
over the short period he was there before injury.
We’ll have to see how it plays out, but Odell had the benefit playing with Kupp and Stafford with McVay as his coach, on a pass happy team that didn’t run the ball much or particularly well.He’s no longer elite - but people do seem to be forgetting he looked good with the Rams
That has nothing to do with how he actually looked - meaning his play on the field.We’ll have to see how it plays out, but Odell had the benefit playing with Kupp and Stafford with McVay as his coach, on a pass happy team that didn’t run the ball much or particularly well.He’s no longer elite - but people do seem to be forgetting he looked good with the Rams
Now that's laughableThat has nothing to do with how he actually looked - meaning his play on the field.We’ll have to see how it plays out, but Odell had the benefit playing with Kupp and Stafford with McVay as his coach, on a pass happy team that didn’t run the ball much or particularly well.He’s no longer elite - but people do seem to be forgetting he looked good with the Rams
Sure it does. Odell was playing with a WR that had one of the best seasons by a WR in history that teams had to double and triple team. They also had Jefferson, so OBJ got covered by the weakest link on defense. Add in Stafford, who had a 70% completion rate and a 108.3 passer rating in the playoffs. So sure, Odell looked and played ok, but he missed an entire season since then.That has nothing to do with how he actually looked - meaning his play on the field.We’ll have to see how it plays out, but Odell had the benefit playing with Kupp and Stafford with McVay as his coach, on a pass happy team that didn’t run the ball much or particularly well.He’s no longer elite - but people do seem to be forgetting he looked good with the Rams
I know from your last post based on the article that reading comprehension may not be your thing, but I'm talking about how he looked physically - his level of play. He looked like he could still play. Is that simple enough?Now that's laughableThat has nothing to do with how he actually looked - meaning his play on the field.We’ll have to see how it plays out, but Odell had the benefit playing with Kupp and Stafford with McVay as his coach, on a pass happy team that didn’t run the ball much or particularly well.He’s no longer elite - but people do seem to be forgetting he looked good with the Rams
How can you not factor in all the things Anarchy listed?
The benefits of an NFL best No 1, a solid No 2 at the time, a pass happy HC who is considered an offensive genius by many, none of that matters?
Nobody's POV will change going to Harbaugh and leaving McVay?
Preposterous I say
I'm not saying the situation did not help at all. I wasn't really commenting on his numbers. He's no longer elite, but he looked like he could still play when he was last on the field.Sure it does. Odell was playing with a WR that had one of the best seasons by a WR in history that teams had to double and triple team. They also had Jefferson, so OBJ got covered by the weakest link on defense. Add in Stafford, who had a 70% completion rate and a 108.3 passer rating in the playoffs. So sure, Odell looked and played ok, but he missed an entire season since then.That has nothing to do with how he actually looked - meaning his play on the field.We’ll have to see how it plays out, but Odell had the benefit playing with Kupp and Stafford with McVay as his coach, on a pass happy team that didn’t run the ball much or particularly well.He’s no longer elite - but people do seem to be forgetting he looked good with the Rams
Combining his regular season and playoff numbers with the Rams, Odell averaged 4 receptions, 49.4 receiving yards, and 0.58 TD per game. Of WR that played in at least 8 games in 2022, there were 43 WR that averaged that many receptions, 40 WR that averaged that many yards, and 6 that averaged that many TD per game. (That was the highest TD rate Beckham had in years.) He had a nice run in the playoffs, but IIRC, his game with 100+ yards receiving in the post season was his first such game in 34 games.
I agree - his run with the Rams was impressive.
None of us here have any idea how he looks other then that few second video of his workouts.
He was also in the very difficult position of learning an entirely new system, players, coaches, etc. mid season, but you conveniently leave that out.We’ll have to see how it plays out, but Odell had the benefit playing with Kupp and Stafford with McVay as his coach, on a pass happy team that didn’t run the ball much or particularly well.He’s no longer elite - but people do seem to be forgetting he looked good with the Rams
