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Jackson just seems like a different QB in these types of games.
He is DakJackson just seems like a different QB in these types of games.
It does kind of seem like he feels the pressure of the moment.Jackson just seems like a different QB in these types of games.
********- this dude has it all but still can’t keep the questionable decisions down. He’s a better runner than Josh Allen but he’s no where near him in passing and mental processing. How much better than Fields is Lamar?
No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
I’m genuinely curious how you and the Lamar can’t throw crew justify that Lamar has a significantly better career passer rating than Josh Allen. In fact it’s 9th all time. It’s quite literally closer to being the best ever than to Josh Allen’s. Justin Fields is like 75th so to your last question…uh a lot.********- this dude has it all but still can’t keep the questionable decisions down. He’s a better runner than Josh Allen but he’s no where near him in passing and mental processing. How much better than Fields is Lamar?
No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
FWIW that timeline is a year off (should start in 2018 his rookie year) and his first playoff game was at home against a very good Chargers defense. Youngest qb to start a playoff game in that game.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
The loss to the Chargers was at home.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
Trim the mediocre wrs and bring in Vincent Jackson for 3 years. Flowers and Jackson sound nice.
Horrible. It was late. Rip Vincent Jackson. Mike Evans I mean.Trim the mediocre wrs and bring in Vincent Jackson for 3 years. Flowers and Jackson sound nice.
I don't think Vincent Jackson is playing for anyone anytime soon...
No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
Bizarre, like they overthought it or something.Make no mistake, he looked bad in the pocket. But what the hell was that game plan completely abandoning the run game?
I doubt the game plan was to throw that much, but once they got behind early, they seemed to panic and felt they needed to throw all day to catch up.Bizarre, like they overthought it or something.Make no mistake, he looked bad in the pocket. But what the hell was that game plan completely abandoning the run game?
Chiefs are hard to throw on. They also are one of the best teams in the league versus rushing QB's. Fields, Allen and Hurts went a combined 33/108 and Lamar's 21 yard run was actually the longest run they gave up to a QB all year.
By far the best way to attack the Chiefs is with the running backs in the ground game and instead the plan seemed to be have Lamar sit back in the pocket. This is a big reason why I've giving Lamar a little more grace, the horrendous game plan.
One thought I had after that game, and I did not think this a few weeks ago because the Ravens seem stubborn about investing a lot in a RB, is that they must not feel good about their current RB's (how could they?) and with the pressure mounting on everyone now in that organization I'm starting to think they will make a sizeable addition in FA, and thinking Derrick Henry in particular.
The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
It's below his baseline, sure. This year he had a game with 121.8 passer rating plus 100 yards rushing and four TDs. That's kind of not terrible.The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
You're not saying Jackson's performance in the playoffs, a 6 game sample, isn't terrible are you ?
It's below his baseline, sure. This year he had a game with 121.8 passer rating plus 100 yards rushing and four TDs. That's kind of not terrible.The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
You're not saying Jackson's performance in the playoffs, a 6 game sample, isn't terrible are you ?
To break down those six games, he had:It's below his baseline, sure. This year he had a game with 121.8 passer rating plus 100 yards rushing and four TDs. That's kind of not terrible.The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
You're not saying Jackson's performance in the playoffs, a 6 game sample, isn't terrible are you ?
+521 yards rushing and 3 TDs.It's below his baseline, sure. This year he had a game with 121.8 passer rating plus 100 yards rushing and four TDs. That's kind of not terrible.The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
You're not saying Jackson's performance in the playoffs, a 6 game sample, isn't terrible are you ?
I asked about Playoff Performance. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lamar-jackson-playoff-stats
75.7 passer rating, 1,324 yards, 6 TDs and 6 Interceptions in 6 games when it matters the most and the season is on the line is below most everyone's baseline.
To break down those six games, he had:It's below his baseline, sure. This year he had a game with 121.8 passer rating plus 100 yards rushing and four TDs. That's kind of not terrible.The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
You're not saying Jackson's performance in the playoffs, a 6 game sample, isn't terrible are you ?
Two outstanding games with > 70% completions and over 100 yards rushing, in wins.
One game (TEN) where he was the entire offense, totaling over 500 yards in a loss.
One game (KC) where he disappointed but had to overcome a number of errors including Flowers' goal-line fumble and still had the team competitive.
Two bad games.
Agreed, and it seemed to be implied as if it were a small sample size because it's only 6 games, but the sample size is that small because he keeps playing poorly and they keep losing.To break down those six games, he had:It's below his baseline, sure. This year he had a game with 121.8 passer rating plus 100 yards rushing and four TDs. That's kind of not terrible.The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
You're not saying Jackson's performance in the playoffs, a 6 game sample, isn't terrible are you ?
Two outstanding games with > 70% completions and over 100 yards rushing, in wins.
One game (TEN) where he was the entire offense, totaling over 500 yards in a loss.
One game (KC) where he disappointed but had to overcome a number of errors including Flowers' goal-line fumble and still had the team competitive.
Two bad games.
IMO this is disingenuous. Jackson has had 4 objectively bad games in 6 playoff games, and Baltimore lost all of them.
That Ten game he was picked off in the 1st Q and stopped on 4th which led to 14 pts for Tenn out of the gate. His 3rd Q fumble iced the game away for Ten. The rest of the game was playing catch up down 28-6. It was a bad game but the box score stats were nice, except for 3 turnovers.To break down those six games, he had:It's below his baseline, sure. This year he had a game with 121.8 passer rating plus 100 yards rushing and four TDs. That's kind of not terrible.The game at KC looks a whole lot better if Flowers doesn't fumble at the goal line, right? The last INT was a terrible throw but the game is entirely different if they get the TD on the earlier drive.No doubt? It almost feels like if he was gonna win one, he would have by now. He is already not quite as fast as he used to be (we saw that on his long run yesterday where he was caught after 25 yards or so, when no one would have caught him years ago), and he has shown that he simply regresses under the pressure of playoff football. We have seen it too many times now for it to be a small sample size. If he was playing well and they were losing playoff games, that would be one thing, but in every playoff loss, he has played poorly and been a main reason why the Ravens lost.No doubt, he'll win a ring eventually. But, he should be playing for a ring in two weeks if the Chiefs would've paid the refs off! There were calls in that game that should have gone against the Chiefs that weren't called, and that's why he'll just settle for being regular-season MVP and not win it all this year.
2017: On the road against a 12-4 Chargers team (at age 21). Expected loss, lost.
2018: Home game against Tennessee. Bad game. Should have won, lost.
2019: Road game against Tennessee. Great game. Expected loss, won.
Road game against 13-3 Buffalo. Bad game. Expected loss, lost.
2023: Home game against Houston. Massive game. Expected win, won.
Home game against Kansas. Mediocre game. Expected win, lost.
So in his playoff career, Jackson has lost two games as the favorite, and had a bad game in one of those. He also had one great game as an underdog that he won. And one great game in an expected win, which was this year.
Seems like there's more left in that career.
You are off by one on the years for the first 3 years, i.e., should be 2018-2020. And Jackson had a bad game against the Chargers that you didn't note (under 50% completion percentage, 7 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 interception, 1 fumble lost).
I also disagree with calling his game against KC mediocre. It was bad, especially in the context that he is the presumptive MVP playing at home - 1 TD to 2 TOs, 4 sacks, just 54% completion percentage with a lot of missed chances, particularly deep.
I'm counting 4 bad games, all losses, in 6 playoff games. It is a fairly easy and straightforward narrative for Jackson to bear a lot of responsibility for those losses.
But of course he has many years left. It just doesn't seem likely he will be in situations as good as Sunday very often -- #1 seed at home with top defense. It is certainly possible he will not ever encounter a better opportunity to make it to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, we're talking about 6 games, and yes, he didn't play well in some of them. It's not like it's the 12 games with a 5-7 record that Philip Rivers had.
[For the record, I think Rivers was also unfairly criticized.]
You're not saying Jackson's performance in the playoffs, a 6 game sample, isn't terrible are you ?
Two outstanding games with > 70% completions and over 100 yards rushing, in wins.
One game (TEN) where he was the entire offense, totaling over 500 yards in a loss.
One game (KC) where he disappointed but had to overcome a number of errors including Flowers' goal-line fumble and still had the team competitive.
Two bad games.
IMO this is disingenuous. Jackson has had 4 objectively bad games in 6 playoff games, and Baltimore lost all of them.
BAL@TEN (W): 17/24/179/0/1 (70.83%), 16/136/1Which two games were over 70% completions?
I'm going to have to step out if you think that playoff resume is a good stretch.
I haven't seen anyone, especially after this last game try and defend what we all saw Sunday. That was awful. The sad part for Ravens fans is it's a trend of underperforming when it matters the most.
Which two games were over 70% completions?
I'm going to have to step out if you think that playoff resume is a good stretch.
I haven't seen anyone, especially after this last game try and defend what we all saw Sunday. That was awful. The sad part for Ravens fans is it's a trend of underperforming when it matters the most.
BAL@TEN (W): 17/24/179/0/1 (70.83%), 16/136/1Which two games were over 70% completions?
I'm going to have to step out if you think that playoff resume is a good stretch.
I haven't seen anyone, especially after this last game try and defend what we all saw Sunday. That was awful. The sad part for Ravens fans is it's a trend of underperforming when it matters the most.
BALvs.HOU (W): 16/22/152/2/0 (72.73%), 11/100/2
Which two games were over 70% completions?
I'm going to have to step out if you think that playoff resume is a good stretch.
I haven't seen anyone, especially after this last game try and defend what we all saw Sunday. That was awful. The sad part for Ravens fans is it's a trend of underperforming when it matters the most.Why Lamar Jackson deserves the Dak Prescott treatment after AFC Championship loss | What's Wright?
The Baltimore Ravens fell short 17-10 to the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game. While the Ravens defense shut down Patrick Mahomes and company ...www.youtube.com
Ignore the sensational name of the video and focus on what Wright says. Wright is generally a fan of Lamar, but he spits out some facts about his play in the regular season vs the playoffs that are glaring.
I'm guessing a large part of the difference between how much is said about Dak vs Lamar is the vast difference in markets and fan bases. Every single media outlet that discusses football talks about the Cowboys and therefore Dak is going to be in a much larger spotlight. Both are solid in the regular season and both are flops in the post season.Which two games were over 70% completions?
I'm going to have to step out if you think that playoff resume is a good stretch.
I haven't seen anyone, especially after this last game try and defend what we all saw Sunday. That was awful. The sad part for Ravens fans is it's a trend of underperforming when it matters the most.Why Lamar Jackson deserves the Dak Prescott treatment after AFC Championship loss | What's Wright?
The Baltimore Ravens fell short 17-10 to the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game. While the Ravens defense shut down Patrick Mahomes and company ...www.youtube.com
Ignore the sensational name of the video and focus on what Wright says. Wright is generally a fan of Lamar, but he spits out some facts about his play in the regular season vs the playoffs that are glaring.
Spot on. The performance speaks for itself there.
How Prescott is destroyed and Jackson gets mostly a pass is super interesting.
Expectations are a tricky thing as well.
If someone had said in August, "Lamar will have a really good season, and the Ravens will get to the AFCCG and lose to Mahomes and the Chiefs," I think most people would have thought, "Okay, that will be a successful season all things considered," but what happened is that he is the likely MVP, they had the number 1 defense, they got the number 1 seed, and because they could only score 10 points, they lost to the Chiefs despite holding Mahomes to only 17 points.
What I find interesting as well are the people who have said for years that they need to get the Ravens more weapons for Lamar and let him throw him more, so they got him more weapons and he threw more last week, and look how that turned out.
I'm guessing a large part of the difference between how much is said about Dak vs Lamar is the vast difference in markets and fan bases. Every single media outlet that discusses football talks about the Cowboys and therefore Dak is going to be in a much larger spotlight. Both are solid in the regular season and both are flops in the post season.Which two games were over 70% completions?
I'm going to have to step out if you think that playoff resume is a good stretch.
I haven't seen anyone, especially after this last game try and defend what we all saw Sunday. That was awful. The sad part for Ravens fans is it's a trend of underperforming when it matters the most.Why Lamar Jackson deserves the Dak Prescott treatment after AFC Championship loss | What's Wright?
The Baltimore Ravens fell short 17-10 to the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC Championship Game. While the Ravens defense shut down Patrick Mahomes and company ...www.youtube.com
Ignore the sensational name of the video and focus on what Wright says. Wright is generally a fan of Lamar, but he spits out some facts about his play in the regular season vs the playoffs that are glaring.
Spot on. The performance speaks for itself there.
How Prescott is destroyed and Jackson gets mostly a pass is super interesting.
What's wild too is that Lamar is like the Bizarro Flacco. Lamar has been way better in the regular season than Flacco ever hoped to be, but Flacco in the postseason destroys him.Expectations are a tricky thing as well.
If someone had said in August, "Lamar will have a really good season, and the Ravens will get to the AFCCG and lose to Mahomes and the Chiefs," I think most people would have thought, "Okay, that will be a successful season all things considered," but what happened is that he is the likely MVP, they had the number 1 defense, they got the number 1 seed, and because they could only score 10 points, they lost to the Chiefs despite holding Mahomes to only 17 points.
What I find interesting as well are the people who have said for years that they need to get the Ravens more weapons for Lamar and let him throw him more, so they got him more weapons and he threw more last week, and look how that turned out.
Absolutely. Holding the Chiefs to 17 points and losing is rough.
And also agree completely on the weapons thing. Mark Andrews, Zay Flowers, Isaiah LIkely, Odell Beckham Jr. The "no weapons" excuse is gone.
What's wild too is that Lamar is like the Bizarro Flacco. Lamar has been way better in the regular season than Flacco ever hoped to be, but Flacco in the postseason destroys him.Expectations are a tricky thing as well.
If someone had said in August, "Lamar will have a really good season, and the Ravens will get to the AFCCG and lose to Mahomes and the Chiefs," I think most people would have thought, "Okay, that will be a successful season all things considered," but what happened is that he is the likely MVP, they had the number 1 defense, they got the number 1 seed, and because they could only score 10 points, they lost to the Chiefs despite holding Mahomes to only 17 points.
What I find interesting as well are the people who have said for years that they need to get the Ravens more weapons for Lamar and let him throw him more, so they got him more weapons and he threw more last week, and look how that turned out.
Absolutely. Holding the Chiefs to 17 points and losing is rough.
And also agree completely on the weapons thing. Mark Andrews, Zay Flowers, Isaiah LIkely, Odell Beckham Jr. The "no weapons" excuse is gone.
Look at their playoff numbers for their first six seasons when either started:
Flacco - Ravens were 9-4 with a Super Bowl championship (and Super Bowl MVP award for Flacco) - 20 total touchdowns, 11 total turnovers
Lamar - Ravens were 2-4 - 9 total touchdowns, 9 total turnovers
Flacco's post season numbers are very misleading. The year BAL won the SB he was insane (11 TD, 0 INT). But earlier in his career, his playoff numbers were terrible . . . regardless of whether the Ravens won or lost.What's wild too is that Lamar is like the Bizarro Flacco. Lamar has been way better in the regular season than Flacco ever hoped to be, but Flacco in the postseason destroys him.Expectations are a tricky thing as well.
If someone had said in August, "Lamar will have a really good season, and the Ravens will get to the AFCCG and lose to Mahomes and the Chiefs," I think most people would have thought, "Okay, that will be a successful season all things considered," but what happened is that he is the likely MVP, they had the number 1 defense, they got the number 1 seed, and because they could only score 10 points, they lost to the Chiefs despite holding Mahomes to only 17 points.
What I find interesting as well are the people who have said for years that they need to get the Ravens more weapons for Lamar and let him throw him more, so they got him more weapons and he threw more last week, and look how that turned out.
Absolutely. Holding the Chiefs to 17 points and losing is rough.
And also agree completely on the weapons thing. Mark Andrews, Zay Flowers, Isaiah LIkely, Odell Beckham Jr. The "no weapons" excuse is gone.
Look at their playoff numbers for their first six seasons when either started:
Flacco - Ravens were 9-4 with a Super Bowl championship (and Super Bowl MVP award for Flacco) - 20 total touchdowns, 11 total turnovers
Lamar - Ravens were 2-4 - 9 total touchdowns, 9 total turnovers
IMO, it's too soon to write off Lamar as a regular season stat compiler and a post season choker. That narrative would change if someday the Ravens make a deeper run . . . even if his numbers aren't great that post season. As I 've said many times, QBs get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses.
If this was true, Jackson's player thread wouldn't be 100+ pages.How Prescott is destroyed and Jackson gets mostly a pass is super interesting.
No, Lamar hasn't been great . . .
If this was true, Jackson's player thread wouldn't be 100+ pages.How Prescott is destroyed and Jackson gets mostly a pass is super interesting.
As I mentioned, Flacco's early post season number were worse . . . and he went on to win a SB 2 years after being essentially terrible for 2 post seasons.No, Lamar hasn't been great . . .
He's been much worse than "not great" in the playoffs.
This is bad. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lamar-jackson-playoff-stats
2-4 record.
6 TDs and 6 Interceptions
Ugly completion percentages and passer rating.
He absolutely has a chance to change the narrative. But right now, playoff narrative is bad.
The last two post seasons Lamar played in, he won a game and then lost to Allen or Mahomes. The last two post seasons Lamar played in, he won a game and then lost to Allen or Mahomes. You know who's lost to Allen or Mahomes? A lot of teams and quarterbacks.
Andrews first game back. Flowers a rookie who cost them a TD being stupid, Likely????? He's ok but come on, and OBJ???? For real???Expectations are a tricky thing as well.
If someone had said in August, "Lamar will have a really good season, and the Ravens will get to the AFCCG and lose to Mahomes and the Chiefs," I think most people would have thought, "Okay, that will be a successful season all things considered," but what happened is that he is the likely MVP, they had the number 1 defense, they got the number 1 seed, and because they could only score 10 points, they lost to the Chiefs despite holding Mahomes to only 17 points.
What I find interesting as well are the people who have said for years that they need to get the Ravens more weapons for Lamar and let him throw him more, so they got him more weapons and he threw more last week, and look how that turned out.
Absolutely. Holding the Chiefs to 17 points and losing is rough.
And also agree completely on the weapons thing. Mark Andrews, Zay Flowers, Isaiah LIkely, Odell Beckham Jr. The "no weapons" excuse is gone.
Andrews first game back. Flowers a rookie who cost them a TD being stupid, Likely????? He's ok but come on, and OBJ???? For real???Expectations are a tricky thing as well.
If someone had said in August, "Lamar will have a really good season, and the Ravens will get to the AFCCG and lose to Mahomes and the Chiefs," I think most people would have thought, "Okay, that will be a successful season all things considered," but what happened is that he is the likely MVP, they had the number 1 defense, they got the number 1 seed, and because they could only score 10 points, they lost to the Chiefs despite holding Mahomes to only 17 points.
What I find interesting as well are the people who have said for years that they need to get the Ravens more weapons for Lamar and let him throw him more, so they got him more weapons and he threw more last week, and look how that turned out.
Absolutely. Holding the Chiefs to 17 points and losing is rough.
And also agree completely on the weapons thing. Mark Andrews, Zay Flowers, Isaiah LIkely, Odell Beckham Jr. The "no weapons" excuse is gone.
Where do we rank their receiving weapons in the NFL?
That said, Lamar does seem to suck in the playoffs for some reason.
It is a sour pill for Baltimore to swallow.The last two post seasons Lamar played in, he won a game and then lost to Allen or Mahomes. The last two post seasons Lamar played in, he won a game and then lost to Allen or Mahomes. You know who's lost to Allen or Mahomes? A lot of teams and quarterbacks.
Yes. But Mahomes and Kansas City also put up 17 points.
Watching that game Sunday, as much as everyone wants to put it on something else, I put the blame on Jackson. He didn't happen to run into a buzz saw of Patrick Mahomes posting 45 points.