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QB Caleb Williams, CHI (3 Viewers)
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Scoresman
Footballguy
Trying to project this guy and I come up with the following so far. It's really a shot in the dark. His strength is supposed to be accuracy so I bumped that up a bit.
Also assuming the acquisition of D'Andre Swift should have them running more than passing compared to previous years to help protect their investment.
311/460 - 67.5%
3,174 yards
23/13 TD/INT
Also assuming the acquisition of D'Andre Swift should have them running more than passing compared to previous years to help protect their investment.
311/460 - 67.5%
3,174 yards
23/13 TD/INT
Those #s are basically just a bet on how many games he misses due to injury. 3500 is ~200 yards a game, no way he doesn't hit that if he plays in all 17.
Max Power
Footballguy
When you put it like that it seems very doable. 3500 yards would be the 5th best passing season in Bears History. Times have definitely changed...
Lansdowne
Footballguy
The Bears acquisitions of Allen, Odunze, and Everett has me leaning more towards the passing. Swift may just be as simple as upgrading the RB room with Foreman having left in free agency and Herbert and Johnson being all that's left.
Max Power
Footballguy
The Swift signing was exactly that, an upgrade from Herbert. The Bears probably wanted a vet back there and he filled the bill.
Herbert is a great RB2, but he isn't a guy that can carry the load all season.
Agreed the WR investments hold a lot more weight than any RB investment.
I think the Swift signing further indicates they want to pass more. Swift is not a better runner than Khalil Herbert, he never has been. However, Herbert is not a good pass catcher, and other than last year in Philly, Swift has been one of the better pass catching RBs in the NFL.
I think given the weapons around him, it'd be an upset if Caleb Williams wasn't a top-15 QB as a rookie. Top-10 is absolutely on the table. Also, Williams is a vastly underrated runner. He's not Jayden Daniels or Justin Fields, but he ran for 21 TDs in his 26 games at USC. It wouldn't be a shock at all if he dropped 5+ rushing TDs.
massraider
Footballguy
I was thinking that they may have good defense and running game, and you were being a little optimistic with your projection, but yeah, top 15 seems within reach.
not really seeing the good running game, i mean not terrible but closer to average, seems like they're set up to pass
massraider
Footballguy
They have three useful RBs. Mobile QBs usually bring along a good running game with them.
They have a lot of receiving options, but if that defense is playing well, and they looked good 2nd half of last year, he won't need to toss it 40 times. The JJ McCarthy Rule, I believe this is called.
Faust
MVP
Sky Kruse
“It’s easy to recognize the quarterback’s [Caleb Wiliams] high-level arm talent and ability to change speeds with his passes, to throw with accuracy and to make plays from different arm angles and while on the move.”
“[Caleb] Williams didn’t have much opportunity to show off his superpower, which is his ability to extend plays and be dangerous as a passer off-script. Inside league circles, there’s curiosity to see how Williams can use that skill in the NFL while not becoming overly reliant on it.”
#Bears
-@danwiederer via @chicagotribune
chicagotribune.com/2024/05/11/chi…
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm starting to look at Williams as well. I didn't buy into the hype coming out of college but he is going to have 2 legit WRs that have proven they are in the Top 10-20 WRs in the NFL, both of them have long resumes at this point and then you add in a sensational rookie at WR drafted in the top part of the 1st round to compliment Williams, a decent TE in Kmet and Swift/Herbert can cause some damage in the back field, sure a stud RB could be added eventually but for a rookie taken No 1 starting off in the NFL behind a decent OL, this looks pretty good.
Will be very disappointing if the Bears offense isn't more fun to watch as it develops with Caleb over the first 6-8 weeks of the season.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
If you've seen my posts recently in the Fields thread, you can imagine me shaking my head in comic disbelief at my Bears and their QB mojo. Fields win the job in Pittsburgh leads them to more success for years to come. Caleb does anything less than an MVP or SuperBowl in the first five years (if that) and if he doesn't look great in year 1, and this is one of the biggest laughing stock stories ever for years to come.
Stupid Bears. Even if CW is the real deal I don't believe they'll make it work. Hope I'm wrong. But I'm pissed they moved Fields for so cheap. I've said my piece about it in the Fields thread so here is wishing CW the best.
Stupid Bears. Even if CW is the real deal I don't believe they'll make it work. Hope I'm wrong. But I'm pissed they moved Fields for so cheap. I've said my piece about it in the Fields thread so here is wishing CW the best.
Drezden
Footballguy
I don't usually go for quarterbacks early in drafts. Caleb Williams was the first quarterback I targeted after Andrew Luck in every league, whether it was a Superflex or a single quarterback format. The supporting cast that Chicago has built for Caleb is truly remarkable. If Caleb turns out to be a talented player, it will make for an incredible story.
No way CW is as good as the hype. He is the 4th best QB in this class, and likely relegated to back up duties by year 4. Sorry. He isn't THAT guy. Should have taken Maye or Daniels.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I'm the OG CW "hater" around here, but even I think he's the 2nd best QB in this class, behind Penix.
Overhyped class, but CW landing spot and surrounding cast is so nice that I think he might actually ball (at least for fantasy purposes)
Max Power
Footballguy
Bears fan and also owning a share as well. I like what I've heard from Shane Waldron about Caleb's development. During camp they told him to make bad throws to see what he can get away with at the NFL level. Caleb responded well to the learning process and sounds like he's going to be a pro's pro.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
It will be fascinating to see how his game translates to the NFL. He has elite arm talent and great mobility. How quickly he is able to play within the pro scheme is the question. As a Lion’s fan I do fear this guy reaching his full potential. Time will tell, but he walks into a pretty incredible position with the talent surrounding him. The Bear’s are seemingly doing whatever they can to focus on developing him the right way and are making sure they do not continue their history of not providing the right support for a young QB.
Max Power
Footballguy
Yeah I agree. I think the Keenan Allen trade was a big win. If Caleb fails its on him. This is coming from a guy who blames the Bears for ruining Fields.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
A player needs to be responsible for their performance within the system they are placed in. However when a franchise doesn’t support their player correctly and do not put them in position to maximize their abilities they are to blame as well. There is a lot that goes into the success of an individual player, hopefully the Bear’s do their part to give Caleb the best chance to reach his peak.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Alot of people are talking about how Caleb is in such a great position to succeed and talent/roster wise, I do think he walks into a great situation compared to most #1 picks.
The flip side of that though is that there is going to be an expectation to win Day 1. Under a HC who many thought was dead man walking midway thru last season and if I'm calling a spade a spade, still hasn't instilled much confidence in the CHI faithful.
The first 9 games seem awfully favorable with respect to putting up a very good record, but I would say anything less than 6-3 at this point and whispers will start.
Let's not forget, there was a lot of optimism this time last yer in CHI and yet here we are. But things are going to have to click from the jump. That's a lot to ask, even for a rookie as heralded as Caleb is.
The flip side of that though is that there is going to be an expectation to win Day 1. Under a HC who many thought was dead man walking midway thru last season and if I'm calling a spade a spade, still hasn't instilled much confidence in the CHI faithful.
The first 9 games seem awfully favorable with respect to putting up a very good record, but I would say anything less than 6-3 at this point and whispers will start.
Let's not forget, there was a lot of optimism this time last yer in CHI and yet here we are. But things are going to have to click from the jump. That's a lot to ask, even for a rookie as heralded as Caleb is.
-OZ-
Footballguy
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
I'm hopeful that the Bears give a solid amount of grace to Caleb in his rookie season. My opinion on Poles is that he's trying to do right by the players and will do what he can to put them in a position to win. Flus, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. It's clear that 22 and 23 were about rebuilding and that they were sticking with him regardless. THey cannot, however, have a 23 season like they did followed up by a similar 24 season. This team needs to come out of the gates swinging and well prepared, which they were not in 2023.
markrc99
Footballguy
It's refreshing that play-calling is at least part of the narrative. Because being in the right play is really everything. The level of deception, getting defenders to over-pursue, sit in their tracks, take false steps, how much of that will there be? Oh, well we're so happy you asked, a lot, for what it's worth. Sweet, if that's the case he could be a league winner! Last week, my 3rd league drafted, had a new guy who reached for QBs in the 1st 4 rounds & several more later. Long story short, those of us who weren't in the sweet spots reacted & reached ourselves. I drafted Williams in the 6th round, .5ppr, standard lineup, 2-player keeper league.
Felt it best to move on from this guy & offered the new team owner Pacheco for Trevor Lawrence, which he accepted. I'd rather have Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, but I'm hopeful QB isn't going to be my downfall. Back to Williams, if it's we've added some guys, we're done here, he's going to fail & miserably. What he needs most in the huddle is the right play. He needs to know whether it is or isn't on the pre snap & what to do when it isn't. Top systems also employ post snap adjustments. Supporting cast, that box is checked? Great, now let's get to balance & him seeing what the defense is giving up. Both before & after the ball is hiked.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Well, Daniels is the better runner, so that will artificially inflate his worth. I tend to agree with you though, Daniels will be the better fantasy option, but I think Williams will be the better nfl qb by far.
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