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Bad Business IMO. Of course, knowing the Apple crowd, the hype will only build over the next month and it will be next to impossible to get this thing. But, to wait a month after announcing it is total BS. I cant live another month with this POS NokiaWell, it's likely due to the demand from 20 countries. But still, this is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the phone itself, but the wait will be very long. Over a month away.
Ditto. I'm slightly pissed, but I did gamble and base my decision on rumors and I guess I bear some blame for being stuck with a crappy phone. On the plus side, I should be an expert golfer on this crappy game it has.Bad Business IMO. Of course, knowing the Apple crowd, the hype will only build over the next month and it will be next to impossible to get this thing. But, to wait a month after announcing it is total BS. I cant live another month with this POS NokiaWell, it's likely due to the demand from 20 countries. But still, this is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the phone itself, but the wait will be very long. Over a month away.
mine doesnt even have a gameDitto. I'm slightly pissed, but I did gamble and base my decision on rumors and I guess I bear some blame for being stuck with a crappy phone. On the plus side, I should be an expert golfer on this crappy game it has.Bad Business IMO. Of course, knowing the Apple crowd, the hype will only build over the next month and it will be next to impossible to get this thing. But, to wait a month after announcing it is total BS. I cant live another month with this POS NokiaWell, it's likely due to the demand from 20 countries. But still, this is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the phone itself, but the wait will be very long. Over a month away.
i have a biz trip on 7/20 that i was hoping to have the iPhone for. Its going to be cutting it very close now, especially with the learning curve/data transfer
Saw some speculation that it could take a week or so to hit stores. If they were in stores (AT&T) before June 9th, someone would not be able to resist opening up the boxes and spreading photos all over the internet, so don't be surprised if they aren't available the day they are announced.Should be out and available on June 9th.And in a peculiar twist of fate, it looks like I will be getting one of these gadgets (free).So when do they come out? Better yet, when will they become "available"? I hope they are smaller than the first one...
Not FCC delays, maybe AT&T network certification delays.The 3G iPhone doesn't do anything that dozens of other phone and data devices aren't doing.
If you keep it as long as you kept your RAZAR, it's $199 + $300or$299 + $300Since the cheapest iphone plan is now going to be $10 more per month.
Everyone's gotta settle down a bit. Yeah a month is a bummer, but it's no big in the grand scheme of things. Not many companies have product immediately available at announcement. Has the Microsoft Surface hit market yet? At least it's not a six month wait like the original iPhone unveil.Bad Business IMO. Of course, knowing the Apple crowd, the hype will only build over the next month and it will be next to impossible to get this thing. But, to wait a month after announcing it is total BS. I cant live another month with this POS NokiaWell, it's likely due to the demand from 20 countries. But still, this is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the phone itself, but the wait will be very long. Over a month away
How much faster is 3G vs Edge?If you keep it as long as you kept your RAZAR, it's $199 + $300or$299 + $300Since the cheapest iphone plan is now going to be $10 more per month.Can't wait to replace my nearly 2.5 year old RAZR.
But i want it nowwwwwwwww [/tantrum]Everyone's gotta settle down a bit. Yeah a month is a bummer, but it's no big in the grand scheme of things. Not many companies have product immediately available at announcement. Has the Microsoft Surface hit market yet? At least it's not a six month wait like the original iPhone unveil.Bad Business IMO. Of course, knowing the Apple crowd, the hype will only build over the next month and it will be next to impossible to get this thing. But, to wait a month after announcing it is total BS. I cant live another month with this POS NokiaWell, it's likely due to the demand from 20 countries. But still, this is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the phone itself, but the wait will be very long. Over a month away
3G is 2.4x as fast as EDGE (according to keynote).
I asked the same thing earlier. I think this is one of the greatest drawbacks to the phone - and apparently a lot of other people do too - so I would bet if Apple doesn't address it, a third party app will for sure....
Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.Ji don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh. Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
3xish?Heard on Edge a page loaded at 59 seconds and only about 15 on 3g.How much faster is 3G vs Edge?If you keep it as long as you kept your RAZAR, it's $199 + $300or$299 + $300Since the cheapest iphone plan is now going to be $10 more per month.Can't wait to replace my nearly 2.5 year old RAZR.
Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.Ji don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh. Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
you've been using the IPhone to surf the net for a year at 59 seconds per page speeds?????adonis said:3xish?Heard on Edge a page loaded at 59 seconds and only about 15 on 3g.Buckna said:How much faster is 3G vs Edge?QUEZILLA said:If you keep it as long as you kept your RAZAR, it's $199 + $300or$299 + $300Since the cheapest iphone plan is now going to be $10 more per month.Buckna said:Nate said:
I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time. Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system. Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.JtommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh. Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
It's never taken me that long to pull up a website.
No offense adonis, but this isn't the bill of goods Apple has been selling the past year re: the IPhone. Your version is more like: if you've never had a smart phone, the IPhone is a slow, but useful option. Apple's version: this phone will change your life.I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time. Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system. Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.JtommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh. Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
I usually just use my iphone to read the news, which are mainly text articles, which generally only take about 20-30 seconds to load.you've been using the IPhone to surf the net for a year at 59 seconds per page speeds?????adonis said:3xish?Heard on Edge a page loaded at 59 seconds and only about 15 on 3g.Buckna said:How much faster is 3G vs Edge?QUEZILLA said:If you keep it as long as you kept your RAZAR, it's $199 + $300or$299 + $300Since the cheapest iphone plan is now going to be $10 more per month.Buckna said:Nate said:
The mistake you're making is assuming that a slow, but useful option cannot change your life.It certainly positively changed mine, although I shudder at using that terminology because I would never put it in those terms. When I went on trips, I no longer needed to take my laptop because my iPhone sufficed, especially when I was around wifi areas. IN other areas, sending and receiving emails was still possible, reducing my baggage.Was it just as good as a fast connection with a nice computer, with all fancy features? No, probably not, but for the options it presented, I really enjoyed it and it did change how I surfed, how available news and information was, entertainment, etc.No offense adonis, but this isn't the bill of goods Apple has been selling the past year re: the IPhone. Your version is more like: if you've never had a smart phone, the IPhone is a slow, but useful option. Apple's version: this phone will change your life.I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time. Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system. Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.JtommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh. Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
How is this different than my Verizon Q, which has been 3G for a couple years now? I've been itching to move to the IPhone for awhile now and an unlocked 3G may be the answer, but now you guys have me worried that I'll be disappointed.The mistake you're making is assuming that a slow, but useful option cannot change your life.It certainly positively changed mine, although I shudder at using that terminology because I would never put it in those terms. When I went on trips, I no longer needed to take my laptop because my iPhone sufficed, especially when I was around wifi areas. IN other areas, sending and receiving emails was still possible, reducing my baggage.Was it just as good as a fast connection with a nice computer, with all fancy features? No, probably not, but for the options it presented, I really enjoyed it and it did change how I surfed, how available news and information was, entertainment, etc.No offense adonis, but this isn't the bill of goods Apple has been selling the past year re: the IPhone. Your version is more like: if you've never had a smart phone, the IPhone is a slow, but useful option. Apple's version: this phone will change your life.I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time. Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system. Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.JtommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh. Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
It's all about what you need vs what is offered. For me, those two lined up very well. I never had a need for copy paste, the speeds were OK for me needs, I didn't need to search contacts, I didn't need a lot of the stuff it didn't have, and I relied heavily on the things it did have.What you should do is find out what are make or break deals with your current phone, research the iPhone, and if it doesn't have those items, maybe it's not for you. But I will tell you that I've played with other phones since then, and what the iphone has, that other phones have, it does a LOT better. Internet is so much better on the iphone than other phones it's not funny, not including speeds. The iPod functionality is seamless and easy to use, especially with iTunes. Software upgrades are very easy as well, and you get a 2 year subscription to new items. Google maps are great, and even on the V1 iphone, the locate me now feature was very useful.So i'll just stress that the iPhone only has a finite feature set, and if the things it has don't match up to what you need, you likely won't be happy with it, but if it overlaps enough with what you need, and what it doesn't have you can do without, you just might be happy with it.How is this different than my Verizon Q, which has been 3G for a couple years now? I've been itching to move to the IPhone for awhile now and an unlocked 3G may be the answer, but now you guys have me worried that I'll be disappointed.The mistake you're making is assuming that a slow, but useful option cannot change your life.It certainly positively changed mine, although I shudder at using that terminology because I would never put it in those terms. When I went on trips, I no longer needed to take my laptop because my iPhone sufficed, especially when I was around wifi areas. IN other areas, sending and receiving emails was still possible, reducing my baggage.Was it just as good as a fast connection with a nice computer, with all fancy features? No, probably not, but for the options it presented, I really enjoyed it and it did change how I surfed, how available news and information was, entertainment, etc.No offense adonis, but this isn't the bill of goods Apple has been selling the past year re: the IPhone. Your version is more like: if you've never had a smart phone, the IPhone is a slow, but useful option. Apple's version: this phone will change your life.I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time. Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system. Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.JtommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh. Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
Thanks adonis.It's all about what you need vs what is offered. For me, those two lined up very well. I never had a need for copy paste, the speeds were OK for me needs, I didn't need to search contacts, I didn't need a lot of the stuff it didn't have, and I relied heavily on the things it did have.What you should do is find out what are make or break deals with your current phone, research the iPhone, and if it doesn't have those items, maybe it's not for you. But I will tell you that I've played with other phones since then, and what the iphone has, that other phones have, it does a LOT better. Internet is so much better on the iphone than other phones it's not funny, not including speeds. The iPod functionality is seamless and easy to use, especially with iTunes. Software upgrades are very easy as well, and you get a 2 year subscription to new items. Google maps are great, and even on the V1 iphone, the locate me now feature was very useful.So i'll just stress that the iPhone only has a finite feature set, and if the things it has don't match up to what you need, you likely won't be happy with it, but if it overlaps enough with what you need, and what it doesn't have you can do without, you just might be happy with it.How is this different than my Verizon Q, which has been 3G for a couple years now? I've been itching to move to the IPhone for awhile now and an unlocked 3G may be the answer, but now you guys have me worried that I'll be disappointed.The mistake you're making is assuming that a slow, but useful option cannot change your life.It certainly positively changed mine, although I shudder at using that terminology because I would never put it in those terms. When I went on trips, I no longer needed to take my laptop because my iPhone sufficed, especially when I was around wifi areas. IN other areas, sending and receiving emails was still possible, reducing my baggage.Was it just as good as a fast connection with a nice computer, with all fancy features? No, probably not, but for the options it presented, I really enjoyed it and it did change how I surfed, how available news and information was, entertainment, etc.No offense adonis, but this isn't the bill of goods Apple has been selling the past year re: the IPhone. Your version is more like: if you've never had a smart phone, the IPhone is a slow, but useful option. Apple's version: this phone will change your life.I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time. Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system. Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.JtommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh. Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
I'll definitely do my homework before making the switch. Speed is by far my number 1 priority when I'm surfing the net. Once you're accustomed to quick net, you can't go backwards. Even if the graphics and interface are better - I don't know if I the patience to wait.My 80 Gig IPod classic isn't going anywhere, so until the iPhone comes with significant storage space, it won't be my primary portable music player.
Was hoping for at least a 32 GB version this time around.Thanks adonis.It's all about what you need vs what is offered. For me, those two lined up very well. I never had a need for copy paste, the speeds were OK for me needs, I didn't need to search contacts, I didn't need a lot of the stuff it didn't have, and I relied heavily on the things it did have.What you should do is find out what are make or break deals with your current phone, research the iPhone, and if it doesn't have those items, maybe it's not for you. But I will tell you that I've played with other phones since then, and what the iphone has, that other phones have, it does a LOT better. Internet is so much better on the iphone than other phones it's not funny, not including speeds. The iPod functionality is seamless and easy to use, especially with iTunes. Software upgrades are very easy as well, and you get a 2 year subscription to new items. Google maps are great, and even on the V1 iphone, the locate me now feature was very useful.How is this different than my Verizon Q, which has been 3G for a couple years now? I've been itching to move to the IPhone for awhile now and an unlocked 3G may be the answer, but now you guys have me worried that I'll be disappointed.The mistake you're making is assuming that a slow, but useful option cannot change your life.It certainly positively changed mine, although I shudder at using that terminology because I would never put it in those terms. When I went on trips, I no longer needed to take my laptop because my iPhone sufficed, especially when I was around wifi areas. IN other areas, sending and receiving emails was still possible, reducing my baggage.No offense adonis, but this isn't the bill of goods Apple has been selling the past year re: the IPhone. Your version is more like: if you've never had a smart phone, the IPhone is a slow, but useful option. Apple's version: this phone will change your life.I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.tommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?
Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh.
Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.
J
I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time.
Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system.
Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.
Was it just as good as a fast connection with a nice computer, with all fancy features? No, probably not, but for the options it presented, I really enjoyed it and it did change how I surfed, how available news and information was, entertainment, etc.
So i'll just stress that the iPhone only has a finite feature set, and if the things it has don't match up to what you need, you likely won't be happy with it, but if it overlaps enough with what you need, and what it doesn't have you can do without, you just might be happy with it.
My 80 Gig IPod classic isn't going anywhere, so until the iPhone comes with significant storage space, it won't be my primary portable music player.
This is what I don't get. I can't fathom why someone would consider using an iphone if they had access to a laptop. It's just night and day. Not even remotely close to the same experience if you're doing any more than checking the weather. This isn't really a knock on the iphone, it's cool for what it is. But it's just a horribly compromised internet viewing machine compared to a decent laptop. Even with wifi. Using Edge compared to a normal laptop with a Verizon wireless card, it's not even in the same stratosphere.JThe mistake you're making is assuming that a slow, but useful option cannot change your life.It certainly positively changed mine, although I shudder at using that terminology because I would never put it in those terms. When I went on trips, I no longer needed to take my laptop because my iPhone sufficed, especially when I was around wifi areas. IN other areas, sending and receiving emails was still possible, reducing my baggage.No offense adonis, but this isn't the bill of goods Apple has been selling the past year re: the IPhone. Your version is more like: if you've never had a smart phone, the IPhone is a slow, but useful option. Apple's version: this phone will change your life.I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.tommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?
Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh.
Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.
J
I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time.
Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system.
Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.
Was it just as good as a fast connection with a nice computer, with all fancy features? No, probably not, but for the options it presented, I really enjoyed it and it did change how I surfed, how available news and information was, entertainment, etc.
Hi None,What does an iphone version of a site entail?How is it different than the lo fi? That's what was I use if I have to use the site with my blackberry.J
i think that's what he's talking about Joe - the lo-fi version. I use it as well on my Q.
I thought he was asking for something different than what we have now.J
Joe is right. Looking for a whole nother web interface. And reccomending cool apps for FBGs
I think he's only saying for travel and the like, where carrying a laptop can be cumbersome. Not a replacement for the laptop outright, just a convenient substitute for it on occasion.This is what I don't get. I can't fathom why someone would consider using an iphone if they had access to a laptop. It's just night and day. Not even remotely close to the same experience if you're doing any more than checking the weather. This isn't really a knock on the iphone, it's cool for what it is. But it's just a horribly compromised internet viewing machine compared to a decent laptop. Even with wifi. Using Edge compared to a normal laptop with a Verizon wireless card, it's not even in the same stratosphere.JThe mistake you're making is assuming that a slow, but useful option cannot change your life.It certainly positively changed mine, although I shudder at using that terminology because I would never put it in those terms. When I went on trips, I no longer needed to take my laptop because my iPhone sufficed, especially when I was around wifi areas. IN other areas, sending and receiving emails was still possible, reducing my baggage.No offense adonis, but this isn't the bill of goods Apple has been selling the past year re: the IPhone. Your version is more like: if you've never had a smart phone, the IPhone is a slow, but useful option. Apple's version: this phone will change your life.I was an early adopter, the earliest you can be pretty much, and my take on it is this. Before the iPhone, I had a crappy samsung smartphone that I couldn't surf the net on no matter how fast it was. I also had a separate ipod mini.The iPhone was a convergence device for me, which allowed me the ease of using the internet, even if it was slow, that I never had before. Slow internet anywhere is greater than no internet everywhere, despite being slower perhaps than phones offered by other companies, because I never used or owned one.Buckna said:Besides the fact I'm not an early adopter due to price reasons, one of the main reasons I didn't get an iphone yet was because of EDGE, data downloads were fax modem days type slow. They highly tauted(sp?) the wonderful web capability of the iphone when it came out, but the data transfer was awful. Now, I'm not sure how many people were aware of this going in though, I'm sure many were just dazzled by the Apple hype.I'll wait until I see a demo, but if 3G provides the kind of speed that makes many of the features on the phone worthwhile, it will be worth $10 increase in incremental monthly cost in my eyes. Also helps that both my RAZR phone and 4 year old ipod mini are on their last legs.Joe Bryant said:Hi tgnz,Edge was brutally slow. You had to have a lot of patience. I don't. Apple folks are somewhat like Harley people in my opinion (and I probably own more apple product than most here). When you pay more than the going rate for the alternative product, and the hype is over the top, you rarely criticize what you just paid more for. That was my take on EDGE. It sucked. But it's hard to admit it when you just ponied up the extra money to cancel your plan and move over to AT&T.tommyGunZ said:i don't understand. a year ago, when we talked about the Edge network, all I heard was that it was plenty fast and speed wasn't an issue. now the big upgrade is the move to 3G, and it's supposed to be huge news?
Love the GPS feature though. The games, meh.
Overall, not very exciting, IMO.
So this news really is significant. But your observation is spot on.
J
I wasn't that attracted to other phones because of the ipod functionality of my iphone, along with the other features like integrated google maps, and a promise of upgrades in software over time.
Again, I was OK with the data speed loading webpages because before the iPhone, I could only surf or check email at home, and even though it was slow, it still opened up the world of the web anywhere I had cellular access. 3G will only serve to make this better, and the GPS will add another very useful function to my iPhone, besides being a portable phone/internet browser/ipod it will now also be a portable navigation system.
Add on the cool new games that will be coming out, and you also have a portable gaming system as well, like a PSP or a DS, granted it'll be a bit lower tech though.
Was it just as good as a fast connection with a nice computer, with all fancy features? No, probably not, but for the options it presented, I really enjoyed it and it did change how I surfed, how available news and information was, entertainment, etc.
No. You won't be happy with it as a primary internet machine, IMO.
Unless something changes... maybe my internet habits... I am not going to get one. I do have AirPort though so maybe I could "borrow" the internet every now and then.I thought you already had the iPhone? You lose it?
Hey there, primarily its just the menu interface for iPhone. Since the one thing that is vital is missing. Cut and paste. Google " espn podcenter" this is the generic iPhone / touch interface. Since I am an IT manager in south east Michigan I don't get to play in the fun stuff.It would also be cool (I want a penny for every one sold if you do this) to have a iPhone application For ff trade advice. The app would be downloaded to the iPhone. And can "call home" for latest player data for real time value.
Got stolen and when I find that SOB, it is on. I didn't even get to test out the battery life or internet.I thought you already had the iPhone? You lose it?Unless something changes... maybe my internet habits... I am not going to get one. I do have AirPort though so maybe I could "borrow" the internet every now and then.
At least you got to use the GPSGot stolen and when I find that SOB, it is on. I didn't even get to test out the battery life or internet.I thought you already had the iPhone? You lose it?
I can't imagine where you would find this information...
don't really feel like perusing a 22 page thread. just a quick summary would be great.
iPhone = rare steak 
