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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (1 Viewer)
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Bruce Dickinson
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Love this story. Unfortunately, it's not true. I really want it to be, and it is on brand for Jordan.Long Ball Larry said:
There is a true one almost as good, though.
Back when the NBA teams flew commercial... The Bulls fly into PDX and are at the baggage claim. Jordan bets $100 that his luggage would be the first Bulls bags to come out on the baggage claim conveyor. Nine teammates take him up on the bet. First bags out are MJ's and he collects $900.
Jordan rigged the game - he bribed the baggage handlers to fish out his bags and put them out before anyone else's.
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Craig_MiamiFL
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http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-is-derrick-rose-on-his-way-out/
Too bad about Ulis if significant. He's just tremendous in the pick & roll game. Love the kid's game overall. Would be a great fit and upgrade at this point in San Antonio if he does slide.
Too bad about Ulis if significant. He's just tremendous in the pick & roll game. Love the kid's game overall. Would be a great fit and upgrade at this point in San Antonio if he does slide.
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sports_fan
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Don't you like Anteaternintendo at PG?SWC said:
In 43 playoff games under Kerr, here are their 10 biggest deficits:
Oklahoma City -41 points (Game 3 2015-16)
Cleveland -31 points (Game 3 2015-16)
Houston -25 points (Game 4 2014-15)
Oklahoma City -25 points (Game 4 2015-16)
New Orleans -20 points (Game 3 2014-15)
Cleveland -20 points (Game 3 2014-15)
Portland -20 points (Game 3 2015-16)
Memphis -19 points (Game 3 2014-15)
Houston -17 points (Game 3 2015-16)
Portland -17 points (Game 2 2015-16)
Out of all possible scenarios, SEVEN of their eight game 3s fall in the top 10 biggest deficits. The only exception is game 3 vs. Houston in 2014-15 and strangely enough the very next game falls on this very list. It makes perfect sense that they are 2-6 in away game 3s but 9-2 in away games 4&6. That extra hustle and home crowd is that MUCH more important in game 3
Bruce Dickinson
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Despite playing for the enemy, I loved watching Ulis play and that is lousy news for him. But maybe he turned pro before that hip got worse.
Was wondering when Kid Sabonis was going to move up. Didn't see him play a ton at Gonzaga, but every time I saw him I felt like I was watching a future contributor to a good NBA team.
GOB
Footballguy
I've had my eye on Sabonis for Orlando, but he didn't work out for them. I want Orlando to pick him over Skal though.
We don't need anymore tissue soft players.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Dammit. Out of curiosity, how do you know it is not true? It did seem a little weird that neither Lowe nor Haberstroh knew anything about it.
Abraham
Footballguy
Jordan went and found out who the winner's were every night so he could get $100 off of Scottie? Seems like a lot of work for little payoff.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
so does coming up with fictitious trade scenarios.
I guess the story is supposedly that Jordan would just ask the stadium crew because he was always there early and was always there when they were setting up.
Bruce Dickinson
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The APBR (Association for Professional Basketball Research, the basketball equivalent of SABR) couldn't confirm the story. May have happened once, but no one who worked with the Bulls or at United Center at the time has come forward and said Jordan had this long string of rigged bet wins over Pippen.
ETA: the "source" that seems to have triggered the legend was Bob Greene's book about the Bulls title teams. During the timeout when the chip race ran on the scoreboard, the team always tuned Phil Jackson out and watched the race, some more overtly than others. Jordan and Perdue would point and cheer. Pippen and Grant would pretend to not notice the race was on, but always were eyes up for the bell lap.
ETA2:. Pippen seemed to be the wrong victim. That type of **** move is something Jordan would have done to a bench player or Grant, but not Pippen.
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No. 16
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It is. If you don't believe in reason and logic, then maybe you'll believe a former NBA coach, because JVG discusses it in the latest Lowe podcast.In 43 playoff games under Kerr, here are their 10 biggest deficits:
Oklahoma City -41 points (Game 3 2015-16)
Cleveland -31 points (Game 3 2015-16)
Houston -25 points (Game 4 2014-15)
Oklahoma City -25 points (Game 4 2015-16)
New Orleans -20 points (Game 3 2014-15)
Cleveland -20 points (Game 3 2014-15)
Portland -20 points (Game 3 2015-16)
Memphis -19 points (Game 3 2014-15)
Houston -17 points (Game 3 2015-16)
Portland -17 points (Game 2 2015-16)
Out of all possible scenarios, SEVEN of their eight game 3s fall in the top 10 biggest deficits. The only exception is game 3 vs. Houston in 2014-15 and strangely enough the very next game falls on this very list. It makes perfect sense that they are 2-6 in away game 3s but 9-2 in away games 4&6. That extra hustle and home crowd is that MUCH more important in game 3
But hey if you want to believe Kerr is purposely tanking game 3s, more power to you. I'm just trying save you the embarrassment from revealing your theory to people you actually know in real life.
mr. furley
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Abraham
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You never seen that? I actually tried to find a way to get that all on a jersey last year.holy ####
mr. furley
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Abraham
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Bromigo
i do like him a lot actually i just really do not like michael crapper williams i guess that is what i was getting at so hey just to clear it up when you think to yourself michael crapper williams the next thing you should think is man the old swcer does not like that brohan take that to the bank
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Bromigo
i rank it as some of my finest work right up there with randall the touchdown robber cobber yep i guess you could say that i am a lot like other people i get out of bed and put my pants on one leg at a time except when i do i think up awesome nicknames take that to the bank bromigos
Good Posting Judge
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I'd heard that Jordan would work out at the United Center the night before games, and the stadium crew would dry-run the dot game.
Two problems with this: a) Pippen would probably find it odd that Jordan always wanted to pick, or Jordan would just take some L's if they took turns picking first, and Pippen inadvertantly took Jordan's winner
jordanmeme
, and b) Pippen doesn't seem like a complete and utter dummy, which means he'd probably figure out pretty quickly that Jordan had some inside info.
Two problems with this: a) Pippen would probably find it odd that Jordan always wanted to pick, or Jordan would just take some L's if they took turns picking first, and Pippen inadvertantly took Jordan's winner
jordanmeme, and b) Pippen doesn't seem like a complete and utter dummy, which means he'd probably figure out pretty quickly that Jordan had some inside info. lol. I make people I know in real life good money. I know there is one poster here in particular who knows I know very well what I am talking about, but they won't say anything. That's a big reason why I don't care much to make random strangers good money anymore.
Jeff Van Gundy. Yeah, he's an expert on how to maximize postseason success. I will make sure to take him seriously considering all of the rings he won in his coaching career.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
People make plays on patterns all the time.
The discussion here is whether Kerr and the Warriors are so full of themselves that they intentionally take those games off (even before they ever won their first title together which makes this laughable) while risking injury in the process, versus some combination of them just sucking and/or their opponent going home where naturally most teams play better, etc.
The discussion here is whether Kerr and the Warriors are so full of themselves that they intentionally take those games off (even before they ever won their first title together which makes this laughable) while risking injury in the process, versus some combination of them just sucking and/or their opponent going home where naturally most teams play better, etc.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Bogut has a sprained knee. Out 6-8 weeks. So he will miss the rest of the Finals, but be fine for the start of next season.
Capella
Footballguy
Frantic and sweat-riddled Lebron troll spends morning talking himself into argument about how irreplaceable Bogut really is
This came in 2nd today. Might roll with it tomorrow.
I don't say it because I think the Warriors are that full of themselves. I say it because I don't think there is a better team nor coach who understands how important proper rest is for their team. They invest a ton of money and time in monitoring their player's health and vitals. Splitting games 3&4 for a team who has home court advantage is a huge accomplishment especially up 2-0. Why would they over exert themselves in game 3? Look at how physically exhausted Cleveland was at the end of game 4 and ultimately cost them the game.
Green is more important than Bogut to guarding the paint from James. The small lineup of GS is the most difficult matchup for Cleveland. But Bogut is someone who can provide valuable minutes like in game 2 and that depth is very key to their success.
I would be more worried if it gets to game 7 missing Green because he gets suspended than Bogut out because of injury.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Also worth considering is their style of play. If you're playing fast and shooting a lot of threes that don't go in, things can go south in a hurry.
Kerr is one of the few who played for both Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. One thing those two had in common when coaching in the postseason was a reluctance to make big strategic changes while way behind. They would rather eat the big loss and make adjustments afterwards, rather than install a change during a loss and let their opponent study the adjustment between games.
So maybe these Game 3 blowout losses aren't orchestrated ahead of time, but instead are an in-game choice to lose by 15-16 and hold a big card for the next trick instead of playing it so they could only lose by 5-6. Kerr famously played the starting lineup change for Game 4 extra close to the vest, in the postgame drawing attention to the lies he told to protect his team's plans, and to credit the video coordinator who suggested starting Iggy.
Where this theory breaks down is how GSW played Game 3 of the Finals last year. They made a couple of big changes at halftime, got Curry out of a shooting slump, and while they still lost it was clear they put in effort and thought to compete in the second half. There are a couple of vocal Warriors fans here who claim they knew the Finals were in the bag after seeing that Game 3 second half, an odd occurrence for a game the coaching staff wasn't taking seriously.
And there's the pesky part about the ridiculous premise of a team not trying hard in any playoff game of any winnable playoff series. There's plenty of rest between games compared to the regular season and you aren't playing four different opponents in a week so the game prep isn't as complex.
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Bruce Dickinson
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And BTW, in order to help us figure out how seriously to take your posts, PM shuke how many rings you've won in your coaching career, including years and level of play. shuke will confirm the claimed rings, compile the responses, and post a Google Doc, linking to it in this thread.
Much more convenient to have all that info in one location instead of having to check user signatures and profiles for pertinent info.
Much more convenient to have all that info in one location instead of having to check user signatures and profiles for pertinent info.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
1) tjnc09 is a smart gambler. I think I'm fairly keen at being able to tell who can approach lines analytically and find some value (or, pull it back if they can't find it), and who's just throwing darts, and I think tjnc09 is in the former category. FWIW.
2) The game 3 thing is ####### weird. If it's a fluke, it's certainly a very improbable fluke.
3) Also agree that the loss of Bogut is not monumental at this stage. Think we see a lot of Green at C tomorrow, with a pu-pu platter of Ezeli and Varejao and He Who Cannot Be Named in the middle. But I think it's mostly gonna be Green with Cameos from the other guys. I think GS covers tomorrow but I am dumb. It was interesting that Haralabob tweeted that public money influences NBA Finals lines, I thought it was only the SB, the NCAA title game, and maybe some big boxing matches (Mayweather/Pacquiao was def. driven by public money). Some books are already dropping CLE to -2. The lookahead line for a G7 is GS -5.5.
2) The game 3 thing is ####### weird. If it's a fluke, it's certainly a very improbable fluke.
3) Also agree that the loss of Bogut is not monumental at this stage. Think we see a lot of Green at C tomorrow, with a pu-pu platter of Ezeli and Varejao and He Who Cannot Be Named in the middle. But I think it's mostly gonna be Green with Cameos from the other guys. I think GS covers tomorrow but I am dumb. It was interesting that Haralabob tweeted that public money influences NBA Finals lines, I thought it was only the SB, the NCAA title game, and maybe some big boxing matches (Mayweather/Pacquiao was def. driven by public money). Some books are already dropping CLE to -2. The lookahead line for a G7 is GS -5.5.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I wonder if Jerry has nightmares over the Dalibor Bagaric/Kornel David/Bryce Drew/Roger Mason era of the Bulls.
Abraham
Footballguy
No idea, but i would bet good money that game 3 is the most likely game the higher seed loses by a pretty big margin. Of course it's more likely because the series may never get to 5 or 6 (or 7) but I bet there are a lot more 2-2 and 3-1 where a loss came in game 3 than any other scenario.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
In NBA Playoffs history, teams that win the first two of a best-of-7 at home go on to win the series about 95% of the time, but only win Game 3 about 42% of the time. And those Game 3 road wins are heavily weighted towards the early rounds. In NBA Finals history, a team up 2-0 playing on the road in Game 3 is only 10-18. 25-3 to eventually win the Finals, but history says they play Game 3 like a lottery team.
source: whowins.com
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
1) I'm sure he is what you say he is. However, that doesn't entitle him to be an ####### to everyone he encounters on this board, or to speak to everyone else as if they have never capped a game before, or to post here as if no one here ever tells a joke. Being a shrewd capper doesn't exempt you from basic human decency. IMO most of the resistance to tjnc09's posts isn't about his knowledge, but his relentless need to cut down others as if knowledge is a zero-sum game.
2) Have you considered the possibility of SSS?
3) Agree with you doubting Bogut's absence will mean anything tomorrow night. Only way it comes into play is if there's foul trouble for Green tomorrow night, and the whole Finals has pretty much been prison rules. Doubt the refs suddenly find their whistles on the flight to Cleveland.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
SSS is certainly possible, if it's a fluky thing, it's a helluva fluky thing. Could also be a tradition where Luke Walton makes everyone smoke dust during the flight after G2. Can't rule anything out.
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the moops
Footballguy
He's a freak athlete who showed signs of being a very good three point shooter last year. If he learns to play some defense he could turn into one of the better two guards in the league.
Jayrod
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Short Corner
Footballguy
So if he improves his shooting and learns to play defense he might be an elite two guard?
Abraham
Footballguy
Needs to improve his handle, vision, and basketball IQ as well.
And court awareness
But he's close.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
The list of 'athletic freaks who could have been great if' is pretty damn long.
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Abraham
Footballguy
Yup. And the list of two way shooting guards as good as or better than Jimmy butler is not (Klay)
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Kerr has coached eight playoff series in his career and had HCA in every single one of them. So not only is the sample size small, it's also skewed.
Taking the Game 3s from this season:
@HOU: one-point loss, only game HOU won in series. History tells us if the underdog goes down 4-1, Game 3 in the one the dog is most likely to have won. Curry didn't play, yet there's very little evidence from box score suggesting GSW wasn't trying to win. If they were tanking, why did Klay play 40 minutes and Green play 37?
@POR: 12-point loss, only game POR win in series. So again we're at the spot where the dog makes his last stand. Maybe Kerr wasn't trying to win. Or maybe Curry not playing was a factor, something GSW could absorb at home but not on the road.
@OKC: 28-point loss, went into game 3 tied 1-1 in series that went 7. Game 4 was also an OKC blowout. So the explanation for getting blown out in Game 3 is they weren't trying, even though they had lost HCA after dropping Game 1 and also got blown out in Game 4? OKC was a lousy matchup with one of the few NBA home crowds who scream like college fans.
@CLE: 30-point loss, went into series up 2-0, currently 3-2. Now this one sure seems weird. Games 1 and 2 weren't competitive, GSW was healthy, CLE was missing Love. But GSW's minutes distribution wasn't that much different from Game 2, a GSW blowout win. Curry actually played quite a bit more in Game 3 than Game 2, a curious decision if the team didn't care. Maybe CLE starting Jefferson caught GSW off-guard.
Just not seeing an institutional-level decision to not try in Game 3, despite the 0-4 record.
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mr. furley
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my hope is that this GS team forces others to follow. not for the barrage of 3s but for the "we have basketball players that are athletic, not freak athletes that we can teach to play basketball".
drafting guys on potential is great but when they have 1/2 of 1 skill and teams hope they can teach the guy the rest on the fly...
#mylawnismylawn
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