Is anyone who is saying Brady is the GOAT over 30? I definitely think that actually seeing Montana play vs. analyzing his stats makes a huge difference in how you view him. Montana could just pick apart a defense with great precision. Brady has done that also, but having seen both, I put Montana slightly ahead. Brady gets tremendous credit for doing what he did with less weapons than Montana. I think, though, if Montana had less weapons, he would have had success similar to what Brady had. Both are great QB's.
so, your case for montana is based entirely on your imagination and memories from 30 years ago.
this is basically what it boils down to for montana, all the montana advocates fell in love with these great dynasty teams of the 80s when they were, like, 10, and thought their parents were 8 foot tall rockstars.
if jesus walked on as udfa next year he'd be a pile of puke next to montana.
montana was an excellent qb in the single best spot in the history of football --- he is the dictionary definition of being at the right place at the right time
You're right, Montana was put in a great situation with a great surrounding cast. Brady, less so. Neither had any control of the situation they were put in, they could only perform to the best of their abilities in their situation. Both did that. Let's not forget that an aging, oft injured Montana took the Chiefs to the AFC Championship game. That team was hardly Ideal with Willie Davis, JJ Birden and Keith Cash to throw to with an aging Marcus Allen in the backfield.
I don't have any problem with anyone thinking that Brady is better than Montana or that Montana is better than Brady. I saw both play, and I think they are the two best QB's in football. Where you rank them is really personal preference.
I just have a problem with people who think Montana shouldn't be in the conversation. They either never saw Montana play or they are delusional.
I also think that when considering each QB's competition, you have to consider the coaches they played against in their conference, as coaching is a key component to winning in the playoffs when the talent level between the teams is very small. Gibbs took Washington to the Super Bowl 4 times (1982, 1983, 1987, 1991) winning three times. Parcells took the Giants twice (1986, 1990) winning both. The Bears defense was dominant in 1985. Jimmy Johnson took the Cowboys to the Super Bowl in 1992 in Montana's last year in SF. Who were the great head coaches in the AFC during Brady's Tenure? John Harbaugh? Mike Tomlin? Bill Cowher? Tony Dungy?
Just curious 12punch, did you see Montana play?
this post is ####### hilarious
first of all, who would those people be that don't have montana in this conversation --- and particularly in a thread entitled "Brady vs. Montana - who is greater all-time?"
so, kc was so terrible that taking them to the afccg one year makes him the greatest qb ever?
ok
what happened to the afccg not counting as an accomplishment --- thought you had to win the superbowl to count that year, or is that just depending on which guy we're building the case for?
and you even doubledip by hitting my fav case for montana, although you didn't actually explore it as well as you could have.
montana played against all these hall of famers ---- brady doesn't play against anybody in the hall of fame!!
I do like the spin you put on that one, though, giving all these coaches credit for dynasties in the dynasty building era before there was a cap, and somehow think that's a credit for montana --- like his 4 superbowls aren't a result playing in that era.
where is john harbaugh's 4 sb dynasty?? lolz
what you apparently don't even realize is that by deifying everybody who played and coached in ye olde golden tymes you are just exhibiting the exact behavior I spelled out earlier --- this does not make you a more creditable witness.
aside from the few serious and informative posts, like insomniac's above, this might be my favorite post of the thread
