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Gary Davenport
Footballguy
That's a shame. Won't be many folks there to watch them what with the game being in Seattle and all.
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
It actually is exactly the same. Big plays took his average 5 tackle (7.5 points) to a 20 point week, since no LB is averaging 20 points per week in any league I am in and his ONLY other start was a 30+ point game I would say in games in which he starts he has produced at a VERY high level and if it takes 15 tackles or 2 sacks, I could care less, he is averaging 25+ points per start. Do I think he keeps that production? Probably not, I am not getting all crazy and comparing him to PW yet, but I also can't ignore the actual facts.
defendingchamp08
Footballguy
thanks for the advice, went and picked hawthorne up saturday night and he was my highest scoring defender, even outscoring half my offensive guys. Great call.
abe froman
Footballguy
Hate to bring this up again but what is his value in keeper league? How do I not find room to keep this guy regardless of Tatupu contract..IDo I consider keeping him over Dansby/T.Cole in a tackle-heavy league? I have Rudd, Fletcher, and Dansby penciled now at LB (Start 3)
eagles2007
Footballguy
he's been better than fletcher this year hasn't he?
abe froman
Footballguy
Fletcher is a proven stud. There's a post on why he's not putting up big numbers lately and it has more to do with WASH facing the less rushing attempts(way below avg) but Fletcher is still leading the team in tackles. Again Im talking about after this year with Tatupu coming back next year with many years left on his contract??
bcr8f
Footballguy
I'm not so sure they will put Hawthorne or Curry on the bench. Who would you pull off the field?From IDP upgradesHawthorne continues to climb the ranks of fantasy linebackers with another huge game this week. He was credited with a team-high 8 solo tackles and an assist while also adding 2 interceptions and 3 passes defensed. In 3 starts at MLB this year, Hawthorne has posted 28 solo tackles, 5 assists, 2 sacks, 3 interceptions, a forced fumble, and 5 passes defensed. If he keeps this up, it looks Tatupu might have to fight for his starting job next year.
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editor47
Footballguy
i don't see how he isn't a must start on a weekly basis at this point.
he's put up top 20 numbers in half the season. he's outscored ej henderson and london fletcher, among others.
he's started 3 games this year.
he has 15 solos and a pick; 5 solos and 2 sacks; and 8 solos and 2 picks in those three games.
Those are pretty freaking spectacular numbers.
he's put up top 20 numbers in half the season. he's outscored ej henderson and london fletcher, among others.
he's started 3 games this year.
he has 15 solos and a pick; 5 solos and 2 sacks; and 8 solos and 2 picks in those three games.
Those are pretty freaking spectacular numbers.
Markus P Dub
Footballguy
How is his matchup @ AZ? I'm thinking of benching DJ Williams or D. Harris for him this week. He's been sitting on the bench the last 2 weeks but it hasn't cost me (yet).
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Leroy Hill replaced Aaron Curry in the nickel package during the second half last week. What little concern left over with Hawthorne for the rest of 2009 is now gone. Consider him a LB1/LB2 for the rest of the season.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I'm not a big believer in the rookie wall, but Curry hasn't been the same player over the past two weeks. He may still see some nickel snaps at backer or as a pass rusher, but after Mora's comments suggesting Hill would return to an every-down job soon and Hawthorne's strong play, the writing was on the wall for Curry.
Rumblefish
Footballguy
He's the middle linebacker. The Seahawks like him so much that they may move to a 3-4 scheme in 2010 to put him on the field at the same time as Lofa:Seahawks.comSteelfan7 said:
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Hmm. If they tender him a high offer or make him a multi year offer that may be what they do (3-4). Or they could rip him off and only give him 4 to 500K.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
the article doesn't say anthing concrete. it does say at the least the hawks would use some 3-4packages to get hawthorne on the field with lofa. i don't know about the personnel they have on the DL transitioning to a 3man line. many teams struggle or switch back when trying to implement a 3-4
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I would be surprised if they sign him to a long-term contract since they already have 3 LBs signed long-term. They likely could not afford to have so much money committed to the LB position.
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
I totally agree AB, I was more thinking that if he tears it up the rest of this year, he could be very good trade bait for another team, if they keep him in Seattle, I doubt they change his contract, but just let him play out his current one and keep him as a great back-up/possible other starter if they do run some 34 next year.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
He's gonna be an exclusive rights free agent, so if they want to keep him they have to make him an offer. And I was just talking about like a 2 year deal for 1.5-2 mil. He only makes $385k this year.
Rumblefish
Footballguy
The Cards ran 26 run plays and Hawthorne still posts 10 solos and 1 assist. In four starts, I believe that's 38 solos, six assists, two sacks, one forced fumble and two interceptions. There's no reason he should be riding the bench next season.
4 - Digit Shark
Footballguy
I'm late to the party here.
Is Hawthorne locked in as a starter for the rest of the year?
I only ask because I don't know his entire story or the injury status of the other SEA LB's. I know he is playing great, but is he 100% sure to start the rest of the year, barring injury?
Thanks
Is Hawthorne locked in as a starter for the rest of the year?
I only ask because I don't know his entire story or the injury status of the other SEA LB's. I know he is playing great, but is he 100% sure to start the rest of the year, barring injury?
Thanks
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
I would say, there is no 100% sure thing in FF, the only sure thing is change. I haven't seen many highlights from this weeks game but if he is still calling the plays I am guessing he is going to be staying on the field almost every down the rest of the year.4 - Digit Shark said:
bcr8f
Footballguy
He was the backup MLB before Lofa got hurt. Nothing is 100%but DD Lewis is the listed backup. Curry could be moved there I suppose but unless he gets hurt I doubt they go there.Earlier one team source was quoted saying they may consider the 3-4 next year to get him on the field. I think he's safe.4 - Digit Shark said:
bcr8f
Footballguy
He's been the top fantasy :LB the last few weeks in most of my leagues. Nice to see Lofton doing better today but Barnett
Aaron Kampman had a good game til he got hurt(took him to the locker room-knee-no word yet). He stuck with a couple TE's pretty well.
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defendingchamp08
Footballguy
This guy is a supreme Bad ###!!! Read this post when it was made about a month ago and since then I have won 6 straight games after starting 0-5. Thank you for the advise, whoever started the thread but great f*c*ing my friend.
Looking good so far. Has there been a linebacker better than him since he took over as a starter?
He must be fired up by his alma mater's undefeated season (so far)!
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
I have to give props to bcr8f, I think he mentioned before me... by a little.
But we both have been his biggest promoters by far.
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I teach at TCU, where Hawthorne played in college, and mentioned to my class today has he's been incredible this year. One of students said he'd played in a 5-on-5 basketball tournament against him. My student isn't small, at probably 6' or a little over and about 190. He said Hawthorne was as tall, but 50+ pounds of muscle heavier. At one point in the game, my student decided that it might be a good idea to stand in front of Hawthorne to try to draw a charge. Bad idea. He never tried it again.
Not a useful IDP story, but another indicator of how little attention defense gets in the NFL--no one in class had any earthly idea that Hawthorne was doing so well, despite the fact he had gone to TCU.
Not a useful IDP story, but another indicator of how little attention defense gets in the NFL--no one in class had any earthly idea that Hawthorne was doing so well, despite the fact he had gone to TCU.
editor47
Footballguy
with only 6 games left, i'll take my chances. its a terrible team. so he's going to be on the field - a lot. here's another question:
the seahawks said they will consider going to a 3-4 next year. how much of an impact would that have on his value next year? i'm thinking, if you are out of the race this year, he might be a good sell high guy.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
From what I understood, Ruskell said they would look at using some 3-4 packages. Not that they would move to a full 3-4 defense.
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cr8f
Footballguy
The team actually said that or was it just one source?
