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He certainly passes the eye test. Great routes, hands, and awareness and strength after the catch. It's tough to believe that the first WR taken in this year's draft was owned in fewer than 20% of fantasy leagues before his debut. I'm psyched that I spent a good chunk of FAAB dollars on him in one league but I'm beginning to regret that I didn't use my #1 waiver priority on him in another.
Thanks for the video on this kid. Looks like he can be a real weapon for Denver and a threat to defenses.
I am surprised to see how many times Thomas was Orton's first read.
I grabbed him Saturday in my main league thanks to this thread and I am gald that I did.Chigurh said:He certainly passes the eye test. Great routes, hands, and awareness and strength after the catch. It's tough to believe that the first WR taken in this year's draft was owned in fewer than 20% of fantasy leagues before his debut. I'm psyched that I spent a good chunk of FAAB dollars on him in one league but I'm beginning to regret that I didn't use my #1 waiver priority on him in another.
and willing to throw to him in trafficand dt hauling them in with easebasher said:
Was thinking the same thing. Lots to like. Some QBs just simply like big WRs. I think he will be the leading WR in Denver health permitting and will be taking a risk and starting him as a WR2 this weekend.basher said:
This brings up a good point. Does Denver REALLY like to spread the ball around? I hear it all the time, but if you look at last years numbers:2009 Bronco Receivers and Reception Totals
I am not sold on the whole "Orton spreads the ball around" line of thinking. I am pretty sure just last year Brandon Marshall broke a league record with 21 catches in one game with Orton as his QB. When Thomas was in the game the ball was not spread around very much, in fact he seemed to be the first option on almost every play, and besides how often do you get to pick up a guy with his measurables, on a solid pass first offense for virtually nothing. I guess I am saying that I also like his prospects in redrafts.
I think those numbers are attainable IF he plays in every series. I'm not sure he's going to start but hopefully he's in there for most every play.
Way Way too conservative.He is the real deal and its going to be a shootout on Sunday.I see 10-150-2I am starting him over Randy Moss.with Confidence!
Sure you are. Link?
I GOT HIM!!!It took almost 1/4 of my free agent dollars, but I got him.
The bidding on him this week should be a dog fight.
Really? Cuz he put up 8/97/1 playing 22 out of 77 snaps last week.
congrats... I backed off my bid after reading Waldman's gutcheck (dumbest thing ever!... especially when he said he was making his comments w/ out seeing the game! WTF!?)I GOT HIM!!!It took almost 1/4 of my free agent dollars, but I got him.
The bidding on him this week should be a dog fight.
Make me proud, kid!
Waldman hates Thomas. He had him ranked outside the top 40 in his rookie rankings until the glowing reports out of Denver. Even then he only moved him up to the #25 rookie.
I paid $28 of a $100 FAAB budget, but I also GOT HIM!!!I GOT HIM!!!It took almost 1/4 of my free agent dollars, but I got him.
The bidding on him this week should be a dog fight.
Make me proud, kid!
Waldman is usually money on judging RB's, but I don't value his opinion nearly as much at the other positions. And even with the RB's he has had his misses.
WTF is Waldman? Never let ONE person's opinion sway you. Feel out the majority opinion.Bay Bay owner.wdcrob said:
Someone just "threw" in a guy who was drafted in the mid 1st round of rookie drafts?
Orton was well aware that he was on the field and surprisingly he didn't seem to be that bad of a route runner (that was supposed to be his big problem.Small sample size but good first impression.
Thanks Matt. I didn't mean that as a dig, just as my evaluation of your evaluating talents. Another way to say it is I agree more often with your RB analysis than I do with your WR analysis. The again, WR was my position.Personally I see a ton of natural ability in Thomas. I discount him a bit simply due to the fact that there were things beyond his control that negatively impacted him @ GT (offensive scheme and play calling), but I believe his intellect more than makes up for that. Add in the natural ability and, from all accounts in Denver, a positive attitude and good work ethic and I see huge upside for this kid. He is very impressive, as is Decker (who had a jaw dropping 43 on the Wonderlic). When all is said and done I believe the pundits will look back at this Denver draft and rate it highly, primarily because of the WR'sWC: I don't hate Thomas. I just haven't liked his skills as an immediate impact player out of college as much as others. I don't like some things Thomas has said, but those things came way after I evaluated him in college and they never have a factor in how I watch a person play. Just be careful oversimplifying my point of view next time. Neofight: While I admittedly have more misses at WR and RB as of late, I believe my track record of strong analysis of other positions is as good, and in many cases, better than my peers. Most scouts will tell you WR is one of the most difficult positions to evaluate. That said, an equally important mission for what I do is to provide information that is detailed enough for you to make your own decisions and factor out as much subjectivity as possible. Hope Thomas busts out for you consistently (and earlier than I think will happen).M
Love your work. Just curious on the bold section.
He is replacing Hakeem Nicks in the lineup this week. I am thinking (hoping) that he will get Brandon Marshall type love (targets) whereas Ncks seems to be a home run hitter who depends upon tds more to get his "stud" status. In a ppr league I am thinking DT has a higher floor and an equally high ceiling as Nicks.
When drafted, he was asked why did he think he was better than Dez Bryant and his response wasLove your work. Just curious on the bold section.WC: I don't hate Thomas. I just haven't liked his skills as an immediate impact player out of college as much as others. I don't like some things Thomas has said, but those things came way after I evaluated him in college and they never have a factor in how I watch a person play. Just be careful oversimplifying my point of view next time.
Neofight: While I admittedly have more misses at WR and RB as of late, I believe my track record of strong analysis of other positions is as good, and in many cases, better than my peers. Most scouts will tell you WR is one of the most difficult positions to evaluate. That said, an equally important mission for what I do is to provide information that is detailed enough for you to make your own decisions and factor out as much subjectivity as possible.
Hope Thomas busts out for you consistently (and earlier than I think will happen).
M
When drafted, he was asked why did he think he was better than Dez Bryant and his response wasLove your work. Just curious on the bold section.WC: I don't hate Thomas. I just haven't liked his skills as an immediate impact player out of college as much as others. I don't like some things Thomas has said, but those things came way after I evaluated him in college and they never have a factor in how I watch a person play. Just be careful oversimplifying my point of view next time.
Neofight: While I admittedly have more misses at WR and RB as of late, I believe my track record of strong analysis of other positions is as good, and in many cases, better than my peers. Most scouts will tell you WR is one of the most difficult positions to evaluate. That said, an equally important mission for what I do is to provide information that is detailed enough for you to make your own decisions and factor out as much subjectivity as possible.
Hope Thomas busts out for you consistently (and earlier than I think will happen).
M
"Well, I don't know, I can't say. I know I'm a better person than Dez - that's how I feel. I feel like I'm a better receiver too - bigger, faster - I don't know."
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It's immaturity talking, but I didn't like it. I'd just like to see him play the game and compete with himself.
There is nothing in that response that shows immaturity.
Appreciate the response and I'd agree that my WR and TE evals are the worst of the four when it comes to my rate of accuracy talking about their development but I think that's probably par for the course with this stuff. Easier to evaluate a player that gets 3-4 times per opportunities per game than a WR or TE. I've viewed Thomas more as a Plaxico Burress type of talent than a Calvin Johnson type - slower to develop. As you know I'm a big Decker fan, too.Thanks Matt. I didn't mean that as a dig, just as my evaluation of your evaluating talents. Another way to say it is I agree more often with your RB analysis than I do with your WR analysis. The again, WR was my position.Personally I see a ton of natural ability in Thomas. I discount him a bit simply due to the fact that there were things beyond his control that negatively impacted him @ GT (offensive scheme and play calling), but I believe his intellect more than makes up for that. Add in the natural ability and, from all accounts in Denver, a positive attitude and good work ethic and I see huge upside for this kid. He is very impressive, as is Decker (who had a jaw dropping 43 on the Wonderlic). When all is said and done I believe the pundits will look back at this Denver draft and rate it highly, primarily because of the WR'sWC: I don't hate Thomas. I just haven't liked his skills as an immediate impact player out of college as much as others. I don't like some things Thomas has said, but those things came way after I evaluated him in college and they never have a factor in how I watch a person play. Just be careful oversimplifying my point of view next time. Neofight: While I admittedly have more misses at WR and RB as of late, I believe my track record of strong analysis of other positions is as good, and in many cases, better than my peers. Most scouts will tell you WR is one of the most difficult positions to evaluate. That said, an equally important mission for what I do is to provide information that is detailed enough for you to make your own decisions and factor out as much subjectivity as possible. Hope Thomas busts out for you consistently (and earlier than I think will happen).
No offense but a "Plaxico Burress type" is ranked #14 in your rookie rankings?What does it take to be ranked in the top 5? Born of a virgin named Mary or something?Way off, imo.
Man, that's a pretty good answer. Actually, that's about the same exact way that I would have answered that question.Guess I am immature as well.
I think I'm just more sensitive to the word "hate." I didn't hate Darren McFadden - I simply didn't like him to make an instant impact like many thought and that his chances of developing into a strong, all-around NFL player were riskier than others in his class.
Yep, it does. Wide receivers have to have an immaculate conception to make my top five. They also have to walk across a bed of coals in bare feet and sleep on a bed of nails.
Burress had a grand total of 23 receptions for 273 yards and 0 scores as a rookie. Not a good rookie year statistically and it often looked worse on the field than it did in the box score. Obviously he did have 1000 and then 1300 after wards, but in the scheme of what I saw and the work that I did, he appeared to be a more risky player than several others and my assessment was that if he develops I think he's more of a bigger slower guy than people projected. You might be right that my view of Thomas could be way off. But after one game of what appeared to be go routes and screen passes, five games from now the shoe could be on the other foot.I've been around this board and others for years and every year I see posts where folks react to one game and are ready to jump off a cliff for a player or throw him off the cliff only to wish they didn't react so hastily.
