elshagon
Footballguy
In our league when Brad Johnson threw the TD to himself he did get double points: points for a TD throw and points for a TD reception.
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Do the Majority of Your Leagues give 4 or 6 pts per passing TD? (1 Viewer)
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aesclepius
Footballguy
Just like the NFL.I think not.
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Taskmaster
Footballguy
3 for passing and 6 for all other td's. If it's anymore, our qb's become too godly
elshagon
Footballguy
Who said fantasy ball should score just like the NFL. Most leagues give Defensive points to kick returns, and if you happen to start someone like Hester and Chicago's defense you get points for both.
aesclepius
Footballguy
Sister Havana
Footballguy
Every league I've ever played in does 6 points. A touchdown is a touchdown.
adrenaline
Footballguy
I never considered 4 the norm, it was a fad that came & left a little residue.
aesclepius
Footballguy
Some people just don't get it.It isn't TWO touchdowns!What you choose to do in Fantasy Football depends on what you want to achieve regarding the relative value of players. That's why you usually given different values to yardage gained rushing, passing and receiving. You also can give different values to touchdowns. Don' t argue NFL because they give zero points for a passing TD.The 6 points are scored by the receiver.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
For each of the past 3 years, the difference between QB1 and QB12, between 4 pt passing TDs and 6 pt passing TDs...is approximately 2 ppg. That's all. And that doesn't account for the fact that the difference is even less sometimes because if you ranked the number of Passing TDs and then ranked the number of fantasy points, the lists would not be the same.For instance, in the 2008 season Drew Brees was QB1, and Matt Ryan was QB12 in my league's scoring system (completions and incompletions become a factor, so it is by no means standard). By the FBG standard scoring, Brees was QB1 and Ryan was QB16. We'll use them anyway.Brees: 34 TDsRyan: 16 TDs34 - 16 = 18 TD difference6 - 4 = 2 pt per TD difference18 * 2 = 36 points36 / 17 = 2.11 ppgIf you use Tyler Thigpen (the actual QB12 that year) and his 18 TDs...the difference is exactly 2 ppg. However, in between Thigpen and Ryan are Eli Manning and Brett Favre. 21 and 22 TDs, respectively (which means a sub 2 ppg difference).In closing, 4 ppg is absolutely arbitrary - if you don't think it's arbitrary, then you don;t know what the word means. There was no formula used that simply spat out the number 4. Somebody said "you know, I think QBs should have lower scores, so I'll devalue their TDs. How about 4?"In reality, it doesn't even make QBs any more or less important. RBs are more important regardless of TD value because you start 2+ RBs. WRs are more important because you start 2+ WRs. QBs are less important because the typical league only starts 12 in any given week, and there are always 32 out there starting for an NFL team. The only way to increase or decrease QB value is to add other things to their scoring that distinguishes top QBs from bottom QBs, such as points for accuracy, or to change the number started (e.g. 2 QB leagues), or to change the number of teams in a league, i.e. a top QB is worth more in a 14 league than a 12 team league, way more than a 10 team league, but less than in a 16 team league.Value is derived from positional scarcity, NOT pure point values. If every single RB scored 99, 100, or 101 points every week, but every QB scored a multiple of 4 from 0-128, the QBs would have more value than the RBs. Because 1 QB scoring 128 is worth more than 3 RBs scoring 101. If all three of your RBs have 101, you are getting somewhere between a 1 and 6 point advantage over the other combinations of RB scoring. If your QB scores 128, you have between a 4 and 44 point advantage over other QBs (I assume the top 12 QBs start, even though in reality the top 12 scoring QBs for a week are not always the 12 started).So the QB is more valuable in that scenario, because there is more variability in their scoring. In reality though, it is not just a couple QBs that get 6 for all TDs...EVERY QB gets 6 for their TDs. What changes value is positional scarcity.
And how many points does the NFL award for a 10 yard run? Or a reception? Or a sack? Sounds like every league should be TD-Only.
Instinctive
Footballguy
So what you're saying is that a passing TD should be worth zero points?
LawFitz
Footballguy
I think you make a lot of good points, but when you factor in the consistency of an elite QB plus this additional 2 PPG bump, it really makes a difference in bringing their value up to par with the best tier 2 RBs and tier 1 WRs.
It's the consistency component that people typically severely undervalue, but it's also those marginal 2 PPG that help to bridge the valuation gap created against elite QBs by the lack of scarcity for starting QBs. Those marginal PPG are not as insignificant as you make them out to be IMO. It's most certainly a bump in VBD for elite QBs.
Shane Falco
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
broaden the choices...
I got two with 4 pt tds and one with 3pt tds
I got two with 4 pt tds and one with 3pt tds
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
Same here. Two leagues with 3 pts per Passing TD.
HittinHard
Footballguy
6 points for TD in the 3 leagues i am in.
dmonte
Footballguy
My league has always used 6 pts for a passing TD (for 11 years now). However, we offset that by giving -3 for INT's (-3 for all turnovers). Our feeling is that a TD is a TD ... 6 pts. In addition, we award 1 pt for 30 yards passing.
We play with IDP's, and thus we also give +3 for INT's by the defensive player. We give +2 for a forced fumble, and +1 for a fumble recovery. The theory of the fumble recovery is that the forced fumble is the more important play ... anybody can fall on the ball once it's tumbling around. Tackles are 1 pt, assists are 0.5 pts. Sacks 2 pts. Passes defended are 2 pts.
Remaining scoring is standard ... 10 yards rushing/receiving per point, etc.
We play with IDP's, and thus we also give +3 for INT's by the defensive player. We give +2 for a forced fumble, and +1 for a fumble recovery. The theory of the fumble recovery is that the forced fumble is the more important play ... anybody can fall on the ball once it's tumbling around. Tackles are 1 pt, assists are 0.5 pts. Sacks 2 pts. Passes defended are 2 pts.
Remaining scoring is standard ... 10 yards rushing/receiving per point, etc.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
6 points if it is returned for a TD. How do you score them?
We use 6 PaTD for our 1QB leagues, and 4 PaTD for the 1QB+Superflex (essentially a 2nd QB) leagues.
The Superflex leagues are auctions, but if you equated top salaries to draft spots, we've have about 9 QBs and only a single WR taken in the first 24 spots (only 2 WR starters contributes to the low WR presence).
The Superflex leagues are auctions, but if you equated top salaries to draft spots, we've have about 9 QBs and only a single WR taken in the first 24 spots (only 2 WR starters contributes to the low WR presence).
fsufan
Footballguy
fsufan
Footballguy
that is why it is called fantasy
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
curse of FF if you ask me.i wish there was a standardized book of ways to handle a league and other than league size we pretty much all adhered to it.would make life a lot easier when having conversations with fellow FF mates.as it stands now you have to describe your entire league setup and scoring system and rulebook to have a decent conversation about players.A 1 minute conversation becomes 10 min.
Insein
Footballguy
If they were all the same, FF would fail. You'd NEVER have a consensus on what was the norm. Therefore people would grow bored with it and move on. FF is great because you can have any rules you want. Essentially, all FF discussions are going to be at least 10 mins anyway because each person has to explain where/why they drafted a guy, the game situation they were facing, the points they needed and the result. Adding rules in or not, the conversation is still going to be a long one.
Insein
Footballguy
Sounds kinky.
CalBear
Footballguy
Oh no, our conversations about fantasy football might be too long!
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
with nearly 150 votes in....it appears that about 2 out of every 3 leagues uses 6 point per TD pass as opposed to 4.....
I would hope FBG would take a look at this again and think about using 6 as their base when writing aticles that discuss strategy.....
if the %'s were reversed I could see sticking with the 4 point base, but it seems pretty clear that 4 points is now in the minority and it would seem to make sense to cater the articles to the majority......the significance can still be debated, but if they are going to put so much time into an article like "The Perfect Draft" they might as well have it help the majority instead of the minority....here anyway....
I would hope FBG would take a look at this again and think about using 6 as their base when writing aticles that discuss strategy.....
if the %'s were reversed I could see sticking with the 4 point base, but it seems pretty clear that 4 points is now in the minority and it would seem to make sense to cater the articles to the majority......the significance can still be debated, but if they are going to put so much time into an article like "The Perfect Draft" they might as well have it help the majority instead of the minority....here anyway....
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'm shocked by how many people in this thread have reverted to this logic.
butcher boy
Footballguy
With so many touchdowns being the result of YAC, I think it's fair for QBs to get 4 points and the WRs/RBs 6.
