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Thus far in Lions' camp, C.C. Brown and Marvin White have been lining up with the starters at safety. Delmas is on PUP. The Lions cut Marquand Manuel. Brown seems to be the odds on favorite to start right now. He is not good in coverage, so who knows how this will eventually play out, but whoever starts at this spot will have great value because of the expected high number of tackle opportunities. If you play in leagues with me, please disregard this. :thumbup:
There is a rumor(probably from Florio) that Delmas may need surgery?
 
cr8f said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Thus far in Lions' camp, C.C. Brown and Marvin White have been lining up with the starters at safety. Delmas is on PUP. The Lions cut Marquand Manuel. Brown seems to be the odds on favorite to start right now. He is not good in coverage, so who knows how this will eventually play out, but whoever starts at this spot will have great value because of the expected high number of tackle opportunities.

If you play in leagues with me, please disregard this. :lmao:
There is a rumor(probably from Florio) that Delmas may need surgery?
Via Kowalski today:
ALLEN PARK -- Second-year Detroit Lions safety Louis Delmas still isn't practicing because of a groin injury and now there are rumors that he might need surgery and his season is in jeopardy.

However, a source close to the situation has called those rumors "inaccurate.'' Lions head coach Jim Schwartz is expected to address the situation following today's morning workout.

At the start of training camp, Schwartz said Delmas was being held out because he was still healing from a groin injury that he suffered in the Organized Team Activities. Schwartz indicated that Delmas was only sidelined because he needed to get in better condition before he hit the field. Schwartz said Delmas wasn't able to work out prior to camp because he didn't want to aggravate the groin injury.
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2010/...elmas_migh.html
 
Followup from Kowalski on Delmas' injury.

Discussion of surgery with a "specialist" and reports of a "high" groin injury here smell suspiciously like the nebulous sports hernia.

We'll see how it works out. If it's not a quick healing process and lingers into the early season, DeAndre Levy has even less competition for tackles.

 
Followup from Kowalski on Delmas' injury.

Discussion of surgery with a "specialist" and reports of a "high" groin injury here smell suspiciously like the nebulous sports hernia.

We'll see how it works out. If it's not a quick healing process and lingers into the early season, DeAndre Levy has even less competition for tackles.
(KFFL) Detroit Lions FS Louis Delmas (groin) will not need surgery on his injured groin, reports MLive.com's Tom Kowalski. Delmas met with a specialist and discussed his options for his recovery, but the specialist did not recommend surgery. Delmas is currently on the Physically Unable to Perform list.
 
This looks like a mess that could be some WW gold the first couple of weeks into the season. Same goes with Buffalo? Any word on the reps in Camp for BUF SS.

 
This looks like a mess that could be some WW gold the first couple of weeks into the season. Same goes with Buffalo? Any word on the reps in Camp for BUF SS.
I'm casting my vote for CC Brown and George Wilson. Whitner has been getting starter reps, but I think Wilson beats him out eventually.
 
Browns' head coach Eric Mangini compared T.J. Ward to Lawyer Milloy again last week. With Mike Adams drawing praise, Ward and Larry Asante have been splitting reps at SS so far. With Abram Elam still sitting out, there's some sneaky value to be had with the winner of this battle.
It looks like Elam and Ward were the starting safeties today. I would assume Elam was the SS and Ward was the FS.link:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...st_practic.html

When the No. 1 defense lined up, rookie T.J. Ward joined Abram Elam as the starting safeties.
Playing first string in every practice since the opening of camphttp://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/99991039.html

 
Any word on replacement for Dumerville?
Some speculation about elevating Jarvis Moss, but you'll want to keep an eye on Mario Haggan, who played outside last year. They could move him back outside on early downs and hold Moss back in a situational role. If that happens, the Broncos could bring Akin Ayodele in at SILB. Wes Woodyard could also be considere in the base defense, moving DJ Williams over to the SILB spot.
 
Derrick Johnson and now Jovan Belcher continue to see first team snaps. It may be nothing more than Romeo Crennel wanting to see what he's got in pads, but Johnson's current position is a far cry from the third team slot in the Haley doghouse this time last summer. The smoke is getting thicker at the linebacker position here and there might finally be a little fire for Johnson and/or Belcher.
 
i see some hype for red bryant and lamarr houston getting time at DE. However in my leagues on MFL, they are listed at DT's. Does MFL do an position update before the season starts, if so when typically.
There should be a thread in the IDP forum when they make the changes. I believe it is usually around the 3rd preseason game, but not 100% sure. I fulyl expect both of the above mentioned to be changed to DE.
This is a hijack, but I'm not sure what to do since my suggestion seems to have fallen on deaf ears in other places...But why is it that MFL can differentiate between DE's and DT's and S's and CB's but draft dominator can't?
 
But why is it that MFL can differentiate between DE's and DT's and S's and CB's but draft dominator can't?
I'm in the mood to be blunt. But we're always straightforward around here, so I hope no one minds. :)The Draft Dominator is a complicated tool and one Bruce works very hard to maintain. This offseason, he's also been tasked with learning an entirely new platform (coding for an iPhone app) and is trying to adapt all the DD code for release as a Mac application.Please don't take that as an excuse or an indication that your suggestion has and will continue to be ignored.As much as I/we hate to admit it, IDP fantasy leagues are not big business -- yet. David and Joe, to their credit, still put lots of effort and capital into making FBGs the best outlet for IDP content and discussion anywhere. We carry a huge staff, are asked to incorporate multiple full sets of projections preseason and regular season into the tools, have a weekly IDP podcast and are encouraged to produce as much IDP specific content that we can.So, while it may seem like some IDP suggestions are pushed to the backburner at times, know that we're working hard to provide every possible advantage and tool we can for the IDP crowd.We'll continue to advocate for the DT/CB split in the DD (although I honestly have no idea how much that entails with Bruce) and we'll continue to push for the addition of IDPs in the Rate-My-Team function. Please don't be too discouraged by the delays in executing some of this. The continued success of FBG through the mobile apps, social media and putting out lots of written content is key in allowing us to devote so much time to IDP content.My apologies for the unlikelihood that the DT/CB split or Rate-My-Team support will happen before September. We'll keep pressing the issues and I'd expect that both will be added to our extensive offerings soon.:endhijack:It's camp time, baby. :rolleyes:
 
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Josh McDaniels says he's still in the process of deciding how the Broncos will replace Dumervil. Mentioned both Moss and Haggan as potential replacements and noted that the team has also been in a 4-3 scheme at times in camp.
 
Any idea on how the Jags LB corps will play out? Who's playing where in camp?

 
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Does anyone have eyes at NE practices (should I inquire if the Jets will return the 'favor') in particular concerning Jermaine Cunningham. How will he be worked in?

 
Any idea on how the Jags LB corps will play out? Who's playing where in camp?
Put inquiries out on this very issue a few hours ago. Haven't gotten a reply yet.
Does anyone have eyes at NE practices (should I inquire if the Jets will return the 'favor') in particular concerning Jermaine Cunningham. How will he be worked in?
Looks like he's got a shot at some situational rushing time early, but probably still a long shot to play on early downs.
 
But why is it that MFL can differentiate between DE's and DT's and S's and CB's but draft dominator can't?
I'm in the mood to be blunt. But we're always straightforward around here, so I hope no one minds. :excited:The Draft Dominator is a complicated tool and one Bruce works very hard to maintain. This offseason, he's also been tasked with learning an entirely new platform (coding for an iPhone app) and is trying to adapt all the DD code for release as a Mac application.Please don't take that as an excuse or an indication that your suggestion has and will continue to be ignored.As much as I/we hate to admit it, IDP fantasy leagues are not big business -- yet. David and Joe, to their credit, still put lots of effort and capital into making FBGs the best outlet for IDP content and discussion anywhere. We carry a huge staff, are asked to incorporate multiple full sets of projections preseason and regular season into the tools, have a weekly IDP podcast and are encouraged to produce as much IDP specific content that we can.So, while it may seem like some IDP suggestions are pushed to the backburner at times, know that we're working hard to provide every possible advantage and tool we can for the IDP crowd.We'll continue to advocate for the DT/CB split in the DD (although I honestly have no idea how much that entails with Bruce) and we'll continue to push for the addition of IDPs in the Rate-My-Team function. Please don't be too discouraged by the delays in executing some of this. The continued success of FBG through the mobile apps, social media and putting out lots of written content is key in allowing us to devote so much time to IDP content.My apologies for the unlikelihood that the DT/CB split or Rate-My-Team support will happen before September. We'll keep pressing the issues and I'd expect that both will be added to our extensive offerings soon.:endhijack:It's camp time, baby. :thumbup:
:goodposting: I will add that it is impossible to really understand the time Joe and Davis (and everyone else who was involved) put into the iphone apps and the new website design. This year has been very different and much busier for them because of those 2 items.
 
Looks like he's got a shot at some situational rushing time early, but probably still a long shot to play on early downs.
Why the hesitancy on cunningham? burgess might decide to play after all? you think pierre woods has the edge? BB has been pretty positive about the progress he's made. he's likely a better athlete than pierre...
 
BTW, it's the IDP content that is the reason I subscribe. Offensive info is easy and cheap (free) to find. You can't get the IDP info you guys provide anywhere else, period. Sure, it would be nice if there was even more attention paid to IDP, but that would be gravy. The meat and potatos are here already.

 
BTW, it's the IDP content that is the reason I subscribe. Offensive info is easy and cheap (free) to find. You can't get the IDP info you guys provide anywhere else, period. Sure, it would be nice if there was even more attention paid to IDP, but that would be gravy. The meat and potatos are here already.
Ditto. That Dominator defensive position split would be AWESOME!!! But what's available through FBG in terms of IDP content is already solid gold.
 
Any word on replacement for Dumerville?
Some speculation about elevating Jarvis Moss, but you'll want to keep an eye on Mario Haggan, who played outside last year. They could move him back outside on early downs and hold Moss back in a situational role. If that happens, the Broncos could bring Akin Ayodele in at SILB. Wes Woodyard could also be considere in the base defense, moving DJ Williams over to the SILB spot.
Hey Jene:Great stuff first off for all us IDP junkies.

Do you see a potential move to SILB for DJ as negative for him. Any decrease in value?

 
Any word on replacement for Dumerville?
Some speculation about elevating Jarvis Moss, but you'll want to keep an eye on Mario Haggan, who played outside last year. They could move him back outside on early downs and hold Moss back in a situational role. If that happens, the Broncos could bring Akin Ayodele in at SILB. Wes Woodyard could also be considere in the base defense, moving DJ Williams over to the SILB spot.
Do you see a potential move to SILB for DJ as negative for him. Any decrease in value?
It wouldn't be as favorable as the WILB position, but he'd still have LB1 value as an every-down player with weak competition for tackles. I think it's the least likely scenario of the three (and possibly four if the Broncos are serious about using more 4-3).
 
It wouldn't be as favorable as the WILB position, but he'd still have LB1 value as an every-down player with weak competition for tackles. I think it's the least likely scenario of the three (and possibly four if the Broncos are serious about using more 4-3).
:football: I just got him as my LB1 in a dynasty start up and was sweatin' a little when I saw you post that......
 
Jarvis Moss broke his hand today and is expected to miss at least two weeks. Without the additional reps and the difficulties the hand might give him in leverage against the run and pass coverage, I'd think it's now a lock that Mario Haggan moves outside. I suppose the 4-3 is still a possibility, though I think they'd like to keep Ayers growing in his current role and Moss probably wasn't a big factor in that front anyway.
 
Been catching some buzz on Tweets and local papers that Greg Hardy looks like the goods in Panther camp.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/i...na-camp-buzzing

I spent much of Thursday morning writing our Camp Confidential segment on the Carolina Panthers. It will pop up on the NFC South blog a bit later this afternoon.

This feature will involve a mention of rookie defensive end Greg Hardy. But he deserves more than a quick mention because he was creating quite a buzz around camp when I visited Wofford College earlier this week.

A sixth-round pick out of Mississippi, Hardy isn’t playing like a sixth-round pick. Coaches, players and the front office are noticing. In fact, when I sat down with linebacker Jon Beason for an interview for Camp Confidential and some other stuff for down the road, he brought up Hardy without any prompting at all.

Beason was talking in general terms about how he’s seeing some promise from young players on Carolina’s defensive line. All of the sudden, Beason paused and got very specific.

“Hardy, for instance,’’ Beason said. “He’s a guy who can do everything. He’s strong at the point of attack. Great against the run and great against the pass. He’s got a motor and he’s very fast. I’ve talked to him and said, “Look, I don’t care what happened at Ole Miss or anything in the past. Forget about it, because you can write your own ticket right now’’ and I’m challenging him to get out there and get better because he’s got a chance to be a special player.’’

All right, let’s put some context on this. Beason is a guy I know fairly well and he’s the clear leader of Carolina’s defense, maybe even of the entire franchise. I respect his football knowledge tremendously. But I should tell you Beason is an optimist and I tried to keep his thoughts on Hardy in perspective until I talked to someone else.

That’s when I turned to John Fox. Anyone that’s followed the Panthers for most of the last decade knows that Fox, although almost always cordial, isn’t the greatest quote in the world. It’s rare for him to really heap praise on players, he’s never going to publicly criticize them and, actually, it isn’t all that often that Fox says much of anything.

That’s why his answer surprised me so much when I asked him about Hardy.

“I’ve liked everything I’ve seen,’’ Fox said. “He’s got the size. He’s got first-round ability. It’s still early, but everything I’ve seen has been impressive from his work ethic to his effort to his skill set.’’

It didn’t stop there. Without any further prompting, Fox went on and mentioned Hardy in a comparison, of sorts, to former Carolina end Julius Peppers.

“I don’t like over-praising people, but I really like what I’ve seen,’’ Fox said. “He’s probably more Pep-like than anybody else we’ve got. Time will tell.’’

Now, before Fox reads this, starts thinking he gave the rest of the league a competitive edge with his early report on Hardy and never again utters a decent quote, let’s add a little more context. By no means was Fox saying Hardy is ready to be the second coming of Peppers. He simply was saying Hardy has the most pure athletic ability of any of Carolina’s defensive ends. It remains to be seen if that will translate into success on the field.

Also, I thought Fox had another strong quote when he was talking about how the Panthers will have to use a collection of players to make up for the loss of Peppers.

“Julius Peppers, love him or hate him, you ain’t replacing him,’’ Fox said. “He was the second player taken in the draft and he signed a huge contract to go to the Bears. That doesn’t happen to bad football players. We’re not going to replace him as an individual talent.’’

 
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Derrick Johnson and now Jovan Belcher continue to see first team snaps. It may be nothing more than Romeo Crennel wanting to see what he's got in pads, but Johnson's current position is a far cry from the third team slot in the Haley doghouse this time last summer. The smoke is getting thicker at the linebacker position here and there might finally be a little fire for Johnson and/or Belcher.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/6/1609260/chiefs-training-camp-derrick

Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson has been running with the first and second team throughout training camp. On Friday, the Chiefs switched things up slightly by pairing him with LB Corey Mays. Previously he's been working with Jovan Belcher on the inside.

DJ told Bob Fescoe of 610 Sports after practice Friday that he's becoming more of a complete player.

"I think I'm getting better every day and I think it's because of the scheme," DJ said. "It's teaching me new things, especially approaching blockers. I'm not saying I wasn't good at approaching blockers but in a 4-3 defense you approach it differently. It's just a different scheme. The things I know now...I think I'm more of a complete player right now."

I'm not sure if he is running as the WILB or SILB though
 
Derrick Johnson and now Jovan Belcher continue to see first team snaps. It may be nothing more than Romeo Crennel wanting to see what he's got in pads, but Johnson's current position is a far cry from the third team slot in the Haley doghouse this time last summer. The smoke is getting thicker at the linebacker position here and there might finally be a little fire for Johnson and/or Belcher.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/6/1609260/chiefs-training-camp-derrick

Chiefs LB Derrick Johnson has been running with the first and second team throughout training camp. On Friday, the Chiefs switched things up slightly by pairing him with LB Corey Mays. Previously he's been working with Jovan Belcher on the inside.

DJ told Bob Fescoe of 610 Sports after practice Friday that he's becoming more of a complete player.

"I think I'm getting better every day and I think it's because of the scheme," DJ said. "It's teaching me new things, especially approaching blockers. I'm not saying I wasn't good at approaching blockers but in a 4-3 defense you approach it differently. It's just a different scheme. The things I know now...I think I'm more of a complete player right now."

I'm not sure if he is running as the WILB or SILB though
If he's running with Mays, he's very likely the WILB. I think the only alignment in which he'd play SILB would be a pairing with Demorrio Williams.Definitely a little fire starting here now.

 
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What's the news in Washington with the LB's there? There was talk of Fletcher at SILB so who is in line for the coveted WILB position? McIntosh or Blades......or is Perry Riley in the mix?

 
ALLEN PARK -- Free agent safety Randy Phillips, who recently was signed when the Detroit Lions released Marquand Manuel, took reps with the No. 1 defense Friday.Phillips took the position that will be filled by Louis Delmas when he returns after being on the Physically Unable to Perform list.After just a couple days, Phillips has looked good, and it's more than just a case of having fresh legs. Phillips is very active in the secondary and shows good awareness."We rotate groups around and Delmas isn't out there working. Some of it is merit-based and some of it is (the injury situation),'' Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. "(Phillips) was never really behind. He's very smart and he's experience in some of the schemes. He picks things up very quickly. That's a tribute to him.''Phillips, who was in the Lions' rookie minicamp, also has a head start on the scheme because he played under Tim Walton a couple years ago at the University of Miami. Walton became the Lions' secondary coach last season."It helps that we had a previous relationship,'' Phillips said. "I know him and I know what he expects, especially putting the time in on the playbook. He expects me to know most of the positions.''With Phillips joining the fray, veteran cornerback Dante Wesley is seeing less time at the safety position.Training camp notes * Meanwhile, Aaron Berry, who had been moved up the No. 2 defense at cornerback, left practice with what appeared to be a fairly serious right hamstring pull. Lions coach Jim Schwartz said the team was waiting for word on the medical report. * Dre Bly, who also is getting a lot of work at nickelback, is now running with the No. 2 defense as well.
This DET backfield is a cluster-you-know-what, but I am paying attention, because I think there will be some value there, but good luck figuring out who is gonna start aside from Delmas.
 
What's the news in Washington with the LB's there? There was talk of Fletcher at SILB so who is in line for the coveted WILB position? McIntosh or Blades......or is Perry Riley in the mix?
I thought McIntosh, but I am gonna take a look at the Skins blogs closer.Also:Fat Albert passed his conditioning test finally, on Fan Appreciation Day. Way to go, Albert!
 
massraider said:
Been catching some buzz on Tweets and local papers that Greg Hardy looks like the goods in Panther camp.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/i...na-camp-buzzing

I spent much of Thursday morning writing our Camp Confidential segment on the Carolina Panthers. It will pop up on the NFC South blog a bit later this afternoon.

This feature will involve a mention of rookie defensive end Greg Hardy. But he deserves more than a quick mention because he was creating quite a buzz around camp when I visited Wofford College earlier this week.

A sixth-round pick out of Mississippi, Hardy isn’t playing like a sixth-round pick. Coaches, players and the front office are noticing. In fact, when I sat down with linebacker Jon Beason for an interview for Camp Confidential and some other stuff for down the road, he brought up Hardy without any prompting at all.

Beason was talking in general terms about how he’s seeing some promise from young players on Carolina’s defensive line. All of the sudden, Beason paused and got very specific.

“Hardy, for instance,’’ Beason said. “He’s a guy who can do everything. He’s strong at the point of attack. Great against the run and great against the pass. He’s got a motor and he’s very fast. I’ve talked to him and said, “Look, I don’t care what happened at Ole Miss or anything in the past. Forget about it, because you can write your own ticket right now’’ and I’m challenging him to get out there and get better because he’s got a chance to be a special player.’’

All right, let’s put some context on this. Beason is a guy I know fairly well and he’s the clear leader of Carolina’s defense, maybe even of the entire franchise. I respect his football knowledge tremendously. But I should tell you Beason is an optimist and I tried to keep his thoughts on Hardy in perspective until I talked to someone else.

That’s when I turned to John Fox. Anyone that’s followed the Panthers for most of the last decade knows that Fox, although almost always cordial, isn’t the greatest quote in the world. It’s rare for him to really heap praise on players, he’s never going to publicly criticize them and, actually, it isn’t all that often that Fox says much of anything.

That’s why his answer surprised me so much when I asked him about Hardy.

“I’ve liked everything I’ve seen,’’ Fox said. “He’s got the size. He’s got first-round ability. It’s still early, but everything I’ve seen has been impressive from his work ethic to his effort to his skill set.’’

It didn’t stop there. Without any further prompting, Fox went on and mentioned Hardy in a comparison, of sorts, to former Carolina end Julius Peppers.

“I don’t like over-praising people, but I really like what I’ve seen,’’ Fox said. “He’s probably more Pep-like than anybody else we’ve got. Time will tell.’’

Now, before Fox reads this, starts thinking he gave the rest of the league a competitive edge with his early report on Hardy and never again utters a decent quote, let’s add a little more context. By no means was Fox saying Hardy is ready to be the second coming of Peppers. He simply was saying Hardy has the most pure athletic ability of any of Carolina’s defensive ends. It remains to be seen if that will translate into success on the field.

Also, I thought Fox had another strong quote when he was talking about how the Panthers will have to use a collection of players to make up for the loss of Peppers.

“Julius Peppers, love him or hate him, you ain’t replacing him,’’ Fox said. “He was the second player taken in the draft and he signed a huge contract to go to the Bears. That doesn’t happen to bad football players. We’re not going to replace him as an individual talent.’’
:lmao: Living in Charlotte - I have also heard the buzz. It started after the draft. The buzz is picking up steam. Not sure if this will mean more snaps for the rook, but he is DEFINITELY making a name of himself around here. At least a late round grab after solidifying your DL needs.
 
ALLEN PARK -- Free agent safety Randy Phillips, who recently was signed when the Detroit Lions released Marquand Manuel, took reps with the No. 1 defense Friday.Phillips took the position that will be filled by Louis Delmas when he returns after being on the Physically Unable to Perform list.After just a couple days, Phillips has looked good, and it's more than just a case of having fresh legs. Phillips is very active in the secondary and shows good awareness."We rotate groups around and Delmas isn't out there working. Some of it is merit-based and some of it is (the injury situation),'' Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. "(Phillips) was never really behind. He's very smart and he's experience in some of the schemes. He picks things up very quickly. That's a tribute to him.''Phillips, who was in the Lions' rookie minicamp, also has a head start on the scheme because he played under Tim Walton a couple years ago at the University of Miami. Walton became the Lions' secondary coach last season."It helps that we had a previous relationship,'' Phillips said. "I know him and I know what he expects, especially putting the time in on the playbook. He expects me to know most of the positions.''With Phillips joining the fray, veteran cornerback Dante Wesley is seeing less time at the safety position.Training camp notes * Meanwhile, Aaron Berry, who had been moved up the No. 2 defense at cornerback, left practice with what appeared to be a fairly serious right hamstring pull. Lions coach Jim Schwartz said the team was waiting for word on the medical report. * Dre Bly, who also is getting a lot of work at nickelback, is now running with the No. 2 defense as well.
This DET backfield is a cluster-you-know-what, but I am paying attention, because I think there will be some value there, but good luck figuring out who is gonna start aside from Delmas.
Couldn't agree more MR...I'm angling towards Marvin White at the moment.
 
Rams safety James Butler suffered a knee injury in practice Friday, and will undergo an MRI Saturday to determine the extent of the injury.
Diagnosis is a sprained MCL, last I heard was that Craig Dahl has taken Butler's place on the practice field. MCL's heal so it's probably a 3 to 6 week thing at the very worst. Just another situ to watch, perhaps Kevin Payne gets in the mix here too
 
Today (8/9) Redskins updated the current starting linebackers as:London Fletcher.Rocky McIntosh.HB Blades is listed as the first back up behind Fletcher. Perry Riley is listed behind McIntosh.
So i take it you mean middle linebackers. And hence, are the SKins running a 5-2 front with the OLB ends being Orapko and someone else?
 
AJ Hawk looked more like a playmaker in the scrimmage. In the past he was criticized for just doing what he had to and not try to make plays.

He said he would up his game this year. H has been flying around more at practice.

Chilar has been practicing outside opposite of Matthews. He is a better cover LB than most and could win a job there.

Chillar is now the starting ROLB and Burnett the starting SS at least for now

LDE Ryan Pickett Justin Harrell C.J. Wilson

DT B.J. Raji Anthony Toribio

RDE Cullen Jenkins Mike Neal Jarius Wynn Ronald Talley

OLB1 Clay Matthews Brady Poppinga Cyril Obiozor

MLB A.J. Hawk Desmond Bishop Alex Joseph

MLB Nick Barnett Desmond Bishop Robert Francois

OLB2 Brandon Chillar Brad Jones Frank Zombo

LCB Charles Woodson Pat Lee D.J. Clark Sam Shields

RCB Tramon Williams Brandon Underwood Jarrett Bush Josh Bell

Al Harris

SS Morgan Burnett Charlie Peprah Will Blackmon Atari Bigby

FS Nick Collins Derrick Martin Anthony Levine

Here’s the full breakdown of Broncos first-stringers, according to the official depth chart:

OFFENSE — QB Kyle Orton; LT Ryan Clady; LG Zane Beadles; C J.D. Walton; RG Chris Kuper; RT Ryan Harris; WRs Brandon Lloyd, Eddie Royal and Jabar Gaffney; FB Spencer Larsen; RB Knowshon Moreno.

DEFENSE — DE Ryan McBean; NT Jamal Williams; DE Justin Bannan; OLBs Robert Ayers and Mario Haggan; ILBs D.J. Williams and Akin Ayodele; LCB Champ Bailey; RCB Andre Goodman; Ss Brian Dawkins and Renaldo Hill.

 
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what is the word on witherspoon... not starting in TEN... despite mcrath out?

i think they signed him to a three year contract worth $10-11 mil, with $5 mil guaranteed this year...

seems like a lot for a backup?

has he disappointed?

any possibility he gets cut (not sure when guaranteed money kicks in)...

 
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Any homers or staffers, know if the rumors of Bobby Carpenter losing the WLB in St.Loius are accurate? :popcorn:

 
Some interesting news on Buffalo LB situation. I had thought Maybin was the heir-apparent....

Looks more like Reggie Torbor has gotten the spot all but locked up.

What do you think his IDP value will be??

Maybin was targeted as a pass rush specialist - fast off the end. Now in a 3-4, is his value lost?

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article97375.ece

Torbor finds his perfect fit with Bills

Ex-Dolphin slated to start at outside linebacker

PITTSFORD -- No player on the Buffalo Bills has had a better reversal of fortune over the past two months than Reggie Torbor.

The 29-year-old Torbor was released from his job as a backup linebacker for the Miami Dolphins on May 27. He was signed by the Bills a week later. Now Torbor has a firm grasp on a starting job as outside linebacker in Buffalo two weeks into training camp.

"It couldn't have happened better for me," Torbor said after a recent practice at St. John Fisher College. "I'm not resting at all. Nothing's guaranteed. But to have an opportunity, what more do you want?"

"I'm happy to be here, and more importantly I think they're happy I'm here," Torbor said of the Bills. "It's a big positive coming to work feeling like this is the place for me."

The Bills clearly like the way Torbor fits into their new 3-4 defense.

Much of the offseason, it was presumed second-year man Aaron Maybin would start in the weak-side outside spot, opposite strong-side outside linebacker Chris Kelsay.

Now it looks like a lock Torbor will start. He has run exclusively with the first-stringers since the final minicamp. Maybin relieves Torbor when the Bills put the nickel and dime defenses on the field in obvious passing situations.

Torbor, at 6-foot-2 and 250 pounds, has a bigger, stouter frame than Maybin (even though Maybin is listed at 6-4, 250). Torbor also has a firm grasp of the Bills' defense because he played the past two years for Bills defensive coordinator George Edwards, who was inside linebackers coach in Miami.

Torbor has the stoutness and experience to hold the point of attack if the opposing offense opts to put a tight end on his side and make that the strong side of the formation. With Torbor and Kelsay on the field, the Bills' defense does not have to flip-flop the outside linebackers before the snap depending on where the tight end lines up. Either player can play the strong or weak side.

"He's played in this game," said Bills coach Chan Gailey. "He is a very intelligent football player. He's a tough guy, which is what you always want, a good athlete. But he coaches. He's a coach on the field, almost. He knows what we're trying to get done, and that's been a real plus for our football team."

Torbor's importance to the defense was further enhanced when the Bills opted to release veteran Aaron Schobel rather than wait until after training camp for him to decide if he wanted to play this season. Schobel would have played Torbor's spot.

Torbor entered the NFL as a fourth-round draft choice of the New York Giants out of Auburn University in 2004. He was considered a pass-rushing prospect after getting 10.5 sacks as a senior.

He started much of his second season and the last nine games of his fourth season, the Giants' magical 2007 campaign in which they upset previously unbeaten New England to win the Super Bowl. Torbor took over the strong-side outside linebacker spot after an injury to Mathias Kiwanuka in New York's 4-3 defense. With the best pass-rushing front four in the league that year, New York didn't need Torbor to rush the passer much. Torbor had five sacks in four years with the Giants.

"The thing about this league is you have a window of about that much opportunity," Torbor said, holding his thumb and index finger slightly apart. "It's not like college [where] a guy gets to come along. You get a year or so, and here comes another guy. That's how it is. Before you know it, we had Kiwanuka, a first rounder; Osi Umenyiora, a Pro Bowler; [Michael] Strahan; [Justin] Tuck, Pro Bowler.

Torbor parlayed his strong finish in 2007 into a $4.5-million-per-year, three-year free-agent deal with the Dolphins. The Dolphins targeted him to play inside in their 3-4 defense, but Torbor was not able to beat out Channing Crowder and Akin Ayodele, another free-agent acquisition, the past two years.

Miami paid huge money to sign inside linebacker Karlos Dansby in free agency this offseason, which made Torbor expendable.

This is Torbor's first chance to play outside in a 3-4, and he's thrilled to be reunited with Edwards, for whom he has great respect.

"From a technical standpoint, my first four years in New York playing Sam [strong side] is basically equivalent to playing outside here," he said.

Can he provide enough pass rush and be enough of a play-maker in the 3-4? Can Torbor plus Maybin equal Schobel? Torbor thinks he has found the right fit seven years into his career.

"I tell people all the time, the Atlanta Falcons traded Brett Favre his rookie year," Torbor said. "Who was that GM? But it wasn't the place for [Favre]. Sometimes it takes two or three teams before you find your place. You get a guy who you say, 'This guy's been in the league seven years and he hasn't done this and hasn't done that.' But the guy's been in the league seven years. He's been doing something."

The Bills hope Torbor can do something special.
 
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Norton said in the Seahawks' base defense, Tatupu and Hawthorne -- or Hill if he's in the lineup -- essentially both play an inside-linebacker scheme. Only when the offense spreads out will Hawthorne have to roam more in space and help in pass coverage.

"The thing about him, he's very smart, so he can play both positions," said Norton. "He's extremely bright. His value is in his versatility. He's quite impressive that way."

 
Norton said in the Seahawks' base defense, Tatupu and Hawthorne -- or Hill if he's in the lineup -- essentially both play an inside-linebacker scheme. Only when the offense spreads out will Hawthorne have to roam more in space and help in pass coverage.

"The thing about him, he's very smart, so he can play both positions," said Norton. "He's extremely bright. His value is in his versatility. He's quite impressive that way."

 

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