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So you believe that a team with: 1) a pass-first OC that let "future HOF QB" Andy Dalton throw 586 times; and 2) STILL gave broken down, ineffective BJGE 220 carries will now run LESS?
I don't think they spend that pick on Hill to use him less than they did BJGE. They love Gio, but it makes sense from and NFL standpoint to keep their homerun hitter fresh and hitting homeruns.
I don't believe any of the Hill supporters are arguing that Gio will lose his lead role. Was Charles still a lead RB when Thomas Jones got 245 carries in 2010? Charles got 230 carries that year, rushed for 1,467 yards, and added 45 receptions for another 468 yards. That team led the league in rushing attempts that year, but Hue Jackson's Raiders were 4th. In 2011 his Raiders were 7th in the league in rushing attempts.Tanner9919 said:
Obvious Gio owner is obvious.ghostguy123 said:
Gio had far less of a "lead role" than Zac Stacy did.Tanner9919 said:
I think the calculation is pretty different for dynasty. We see the possible split next year between Gio and Hill differently but that seems like a legitimate debate to me. Below is a partisal version of a post I made with my thoughts on that in the Bernard 1.01 thread (the discussion there seems to have switched to this thread anyway).
BJGE is still on the roster though. I think we still have to account for the chance he stays on the team at this point.
Seems to be a good chance of that considering Cinci is reporting;They want to run more.
I'd be pretty happy with 70 catches for Gio. I'm more optimistic about him getting closer to 225 carries but we definitely don't know for sure what they have in mind for Hill and what remaining role BJGE will have (if he isn't released). Gio's limited carries last season seemed to be related to Gruden's thinking on how to make him most effective:
But, Jackson, who of course was Bernard's RB coach last season, expressed a different mindset in February. This was before the draft, so Hill factors into what this means to be sure, but it seems like Jackson feels Bernard proved his toughness and ability to handle more carries after last season:
That is true. If that happens then I would expect most of those carries to come out of Hills potential pie not Bernards. As Hill is competing for the same role in the offense as the Law Firm.
It's a mistake because BJGE was the starter last year.
I believe you couldn't be more wrong. You can bank on 200 carries for Hill and all of the goal line work.
Yeah I started referring to Law Firm as "The Closer" late in the year. If we were ahead he was the guy I wanted in there - not Gio.
This doesn't really make sense. Is Hill going to be the 3rd down back, and Gio get 4 receptions on the season? That's how the "backup/starter" roles played out last season.ghostguy123 said:
Fair, but I question how much the Bengals used Gio in those situations out of necessity instead of desire. BJGE was simply terrible. I would expect Hill to be much, much better than BJGE, and thus likely to get most of the between the tackles, short yardage, pouding type work while they focus on getting Gio the ball in space and letting him continue to be a threat on the perimeter.
I was just about to say this. Gio owners should be bracing themselves for a season with potentially less than 5 TDs. I think BJGE's ineffectiveness led to those red zone carries for Gio. If Hill proves capable (or most likely better than Gio) in those situations then why would they use their small back unless they are in a hurry up/2 minute drill?
Jamaal Charles (who weighs less than Gio) had 28 carries inside the 10 last year and scored TD's on 11 of them (39%).
Both Charles and Gio lacked competent bruisers to perform the job. I'm not saying they shouldn't have gotten the ball last year, just that Hill will likely get it in those situation this year.
This class of RBs has some very good depth, but there are no real obvious special talents. Personally, I would not invest too heavily in any of the RBs in this class. It has been discussed at length on this board, but most of the situations the backs fall into are less than ideal for early production. Sankey no doubt is in a good spot to be immediately effective. Freeman lands in a pretty good spot, as well, but he strikes me more as a short-term gap-filler than as a long-term dynasty grab. Other RBs in this class offer some intrigue, but fantasy owners will have to be patient. Training Camps and Preseason have a way of sorting out some of these situations, to a degree, and players like Mason and West (or Crowell) could emerge.
I agree! Took Hyde mason n hill at 4 7 and 11 respectively. Couldn't be more happy about that! Missed on freeman and Crowell but still got Seastrunk late in the 3rd rd. I had nine picks out of fifty this year. Other then sankey rbs fell like bricks which is good for me because I'm high on mason and hill. Even tho I took Hyde at four I have the other guys higher personally. I basically feel as if I got Hyde for free this year. I would've been happy w mason and hill at 4 n 7. I have charles foster lacy n Morris (start 3rb) in this 10 team Dyno so I can afford the waiting to see how things shake out. However I expect I'm almost immediate production. Out of hill n tre
I just took Mason at 1.10 and Hill at 2.01 (13).
There are a lot of teams with older/free agent RB's who I think are more likely to take those RB's - Peterson, Forte*, Charles, Spiller, Murray, Mathews, Bush.
Ahh,, and Teddy Bridgewater, Lache Seastrunk and Marques Lee were the "beasts" of this class. Predicting that next year's class is going to be so great is folly. I hear it every year.
There's some truth to this. And yet we (the dynasty community as a whole) often can see great players coming, as well. You may disagree that you can size up a draft class a year out, but you don't have to be dismissive and arrogant. It's obvious that college football is stacked with RB talent right now in a way it hasn't been for a long time. But you're right, we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.
I'm not arrogant, I just think it's pretty pointless. If anything I think I am a lot more open minded than people who are waaaaaaaaaaay to into fantasy football. I mean it's easy to get over invested in a player when you watch 30 college games they play in. Face it, you get your favorites, just like I do or anyone else does. But I'd bet you spend a lot more time doing it than I do. And I don't see anything to sway me that all that time spent has much value. For every Zac Stacy, there are 20 Mike Gillislees. Sometimes you hit, but probably not any more often than average.
All true, but Gio was a rookie last year and now he's had a year of NFL nutrition, training and lifestyle. I think he's probably put on some muscle and his body has almost certainly matured going from a 21 year old to a 22 year old. He certainly hasn't peaked phyiscally just yet. I'd think that comes more around 24 (would love to read a link on that).
