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i've no idea. i wish the OCNN web site had a FAQ section to explain that.Translation of ROC please?according to Ocho Cinco NetworkOGOchoCinco OCNN BREAKING NEWS: LJ hasn't signed with Bengals, when and if he does ill tweet the ROC is n bldg
Yeah I don't see that either, I also don't see a LJ signing with a team where he thinks that he's going to sit on the bench the whole time as "insurance". I think that you're right that the most likely scenario is that Cedric Benson will be missing some time.
Nickname for LJ.i've no idea. i wish the OCNN web site had a FAQ section to explain that.Translation of ROC please?according to Ocho Cinco Network
I'll take a shot....When LJ scores, he does a "diamond" symbol with his hands... Jay-Z does the same thing and say's the "Roc is in the buildin"Translation of ROC please?according to Ocho Cinco Network
Johnson's agent said last week that he wouldn't sign until Monday at the earliest. Plus, Johnson didn't clear waivers until Tuesday, which means that Johnson probably wouldn't have been ready for Sunday's game anyway.
Understood and nothing personal taken. My comment about being educated on the Bengals were more to the point of that I understand how much the Bengals value Benson (i.e. they aren't going to promise LJ a shot at the starting position). The reason I dispute that he's wearing down is more common sense. A 25 year old RB in week 9 isn't wearing out. I'll bet the house on it. It just doesn't happen especially considering he wasn't used all that much in his years with Chicago.Would the workload take its toll and hurt him being effective by playoff time? Maybe (I'd still say no but could see it possible). A heavy workload is usually a cumulative thing that takes place over the years and shows at that magical "30 year" point that we read in so many preseason threads. At this point I completly reject the idea that he's breaking down mid-season with 205 carries. Is SJax ready to break down at 191? Is Peterson at 181? This isn't the reason Cincy is looking at LJ.
Yep. Jay-Z's label is Rockafeller Records. That's where "Roc" comes from.I'll take a shot....When LJ scores, he does a "diamond" symbol with his hands... Jay-Z does the same thing and say's the "Roc is in the buildin"Translation of ROC please?according to Ocho Cinco Network
If this is the straight goods, I don't think that LJ signs with the Bengals.
exactly. There is no way LJ signs with Cinccy to ride pine behind players he is better than.
The notion that Benson is just running through huge holes and is some kind of product of the system is flat out incorrect. If you watch the team and him run, I don't how anyone can come away with that opinion. The "Benson Blows" stuff may have had some validity back in the day, but he's been a flat out stud this season, and his skillset has been pretty apparent during this run.
I didnt say he was running through huge holes. I said he had a sick line and that LJ had one of the worst.Benson was thought of as WASTE until his resurgence. behind a good line. Why can't this happen to LJ?
Both agree and disagree.Agree that LJ is still a heck of a back and that comparisons to LJ and SA aren't apples to apples. LJ still has tread left while SA had one foot in the retirement grave.Disagree that LJ is better than Benson and that Cincy is better off with LJ. What makes you think Benson isn't better than LJ? His stint with Chicago? He's still a young bull and was drafted #4 overall for a reason. The guy is a stud who simply didn't fit in Chicago. I understand that Cincy's O-line is worlds better than KC's. No disputing that. I also think Benson is just now hitting his stride and that we are seeing the player that was drafted #4. In addition you also need to consider chemistry. How'd Benson do in Chicago? Putting LJ in Cincy just might result in a similar circumstance. Benson has found a home here. His work effort is phenomenal, the coaches love him, his teammates love him and he's producing. I don't see anything that would suggest that Cincy would be better off with LJ.He is nothing more than an insurance policy. Benson is going nowhere.
again, who else is offering?
Here's my take after thinking about it. Marvin is being truthful when he says the LJ signing would be for depth. How can you promise anything to him now? What might happen is that although he starts out as RB4, he wows everyone in practice and keeps getting promoted all the way up to RB2. If Benson holds up, LJ is a great backup and will maybe get 8-12 carries a game to keep Benson fresh for the end of season/playoffs. If Benson is really injured, he gives the Bengals a grind it out starting running back with some tread on the tires for the league minimum. That way Lewis doesn't risk upsetting the Bengals chemistry.
seems odd. Why not just sit on the sidelines then and wait for a better opportunity?
I know its hard to let go...but 2006 was so long ago. LJ is not still a "heck of a power back". LJ is not better than Benson. CIN is not better with LJ than Benson.
You apparently dont know LJ very well. he just wont sign anywhere. He's to proud. for bettor or worse.
Seriously. First time I've ever heard anyone refer to the Bengals OL as "sick" in a good way.
people said the same thing about benson. Actually people were harder on Benson. Dont make me drag out the old benson threads.
"Return of Cancer"Sammy Traveller said:i've no idea. i wish the OCNN web site had a FAQ section to explain that.steviey said:Translation of ROC please?Sammy Traveller said:according to Ocho Cinco Network
are you saying that the Bugles O-Line isnt sick?
Are you saying a young RB like Benson with virtually no mileage is comparable to LJ's ~800,000 career carries? Unfortunately Earl Campbell threads don't exist.
Since when is 1,375 a ton of carries?
People said what about Benson? That he had a good 2006 season? Benson never did much of anything before coming to the Bengals. That is well documented and nobody is disputing that fact. But you are without question in a very small minority that thinks a 30 year old LJ almost 3 seasons removed from being truly effective should be playing in front of a 27 year old Benson in the Bengal lineup. That's cool....I get the strategy of not letting the facts get in the way of a good story. Keep selling it and somebody might overpay you for LJ in a trade. Good luck with that.
Its been so long since we've seen him score, dont think anyone really remembers seeing itchidoy said:I'll take a shot....When LJ scores, he does a "diamond" symbol with his hands... Jay-Z does the same thing and say's the "Roc is in the buildin"steviey said:Translation of ROC please?Sammy Traveller said:according to Ocho Cinco Network
If that's the case, does LJ hold out to see who else comes knocking? I'd have to imagine he wants to start. I'd also have to imagine that there are teams out there who feel he would be an upgrade (if his attitude is in check).From Bengals.com"Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis has told former Chiefs running back Larry Johnson that if the club agrees to sign him it will be purely for insurance purposes, that it won't affect the status of the other three backs, and he won't be active for games "initially," as he performs back-up duties such as working on the scout team and special teams."To this I say
None have stepped forwardIf that's the case, does LJ hold out to see who else comes knocking? I'd have to imagine he wants to start. I'd also have to imagine that there are teams out there who feel he would be an upgrade (if his attitude is in check).From Bengals.com"Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis has told former Chiefs running back Larry Johnson that if the club agrees to sign him it will be purely for insurance purposes, that it won't affect the status of the other three backs, and he won't be active for games "initially," as he performs back-up duties such as working on the scout team and special teams."To this I sayThey are being upfront so if LJ signs he knows exactly what he's getting into.-QG
I would assume that the main reason LJ would want to play this season is to showcase his talent to try to get a big contract next season. Sitting on the bench in the stands on gameday behind Brian Leonard won't further this goal.If I were him, I'd wait for a major injury to a RB on a contender.None have stepped forwardIf that's the case, does LJ hold out to see who else comes knocking? I'd have to imagine he wants to start. I'd also have to imagine that there are teams out there who feel he would be an upgrade (if his attitude is in check).From Bengals.com
"Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis has told former Chiefs running back Larry Johnson that if the club agrees to sign him it will be purely for insurance purposes, that it won't affect the status of the other three backs, and he won't be active for games "initially," as he performs back-up duties such as working on the scout team and special teams."
To this I say
They are being upfront so if LJ signs he knows exactly what he's getting into.
-QG
Well, when I watched Hard Knocks their line was a big issue. Big enough to convert a defensive lineman to an offensive lineman out of desperation. Hell, they even spent their 1st round pick to address their offensive line issues and the guy hasn't even played snap yet. Clearly they are playing well enough to pass protect and allow Benson to rack up lots of yards, but it would be be a stretch to attribute Bensons success to the offensive line soley. This dude was a high 1st round pick and has apparently re-dedicated himself to the game. Surely his skills are coming into play.
LJ doesnt have much mileage.
Actually I think LJ wanted to go to a team that he thought he could win a championship with and possibly play some role on. He will get an opportunity, but only if Benson is hurt and hurt more seriously than originally thought - Scott and Leonard have been fair at best (see their YPC above). If Benson is healthy, he will likely still get a serious majority of the carries.yoadrian said:Facts:-LJ is 30 yrs oldssteviey said:If Benson's injury is minor like they are letting on there is no way they are bringing in LJ to replace him as the starter is there? The guy is running lights out, is quite a bit younger and has way less mileage on him. So if he is healthy he may lose some carries to LJ but surely he will remain the feature back. Someone please agree with me on this
-Bernard Scott seems to be locked in the special teams role
-Benson is no spring chicken - Benson is only 26
-Benson was averaging 25 carries per game in the first 8 games even with other backups who could have spelled him
-Benson has been running with a stout OL all season Benson is averaging 4.2 behind that line - Scott 3.3 and Leonard 2.7
I think if anything, barring a season ending injury from Benson (which I doubt), LJ will split with Benson or take some of his carries away. Which honestly doesn't make either choice look great IMO
Yes, he does.
I agree with this. LJ is outspoken but not a fool. How could he possibly think he could be both (a) on a contender and (b) the lead back this year? He would take a role on a championship-calibur team and try to expand that role when given the chance. Overall, I wouldn't be surprised to see Benson / LJ share carries in some 55/35 combo with Scott taking the last 10. Unfortunately both Benson and LJ are momentum runners and need to carry the ball a lot to get into the game and be productive. Therefore, they might sustain the Bengals attack, but lose any top tier FF value (ie, get used to 15 carry, 50 yard games with an occasional TDs).Actually I think LJ wanted to go to a team that he thought he could win a championship with and possibly play some role on. He will get an opportunity, but only if Benson is hurt and hurt more seriously than originally thought - Scott and Leonard have been fair at best (see their YPC above). If Benson is healthy, he will likely still get a serious majority of the carries.yoadrian said:Facts:-LJ is 30 yrs oldssteviey said:If Benson's injury is minor like they are letting on there is no way they are bringing in LJ to replace him as the starter is there? The guy is running lights out, is quite a bit younger and has way less mileage on him. So if he is healthy he may lose some carries to LJ but surely he will remain the feature back. Someone please agree with me on this
-Bernard Scott seems to be locked in the special teams role
-Benson is no spring chicken - Benson is only 26
-Benson was averaging 25 carries per game in the first 8 games even with other backups who could have spelled him
-Benson has been running with a stout OL all season Benson is averaging 4.2 behind that line - Scott 3.3 and Leonard 2.7
I think if anything, barring a season ending injury from Benson (which I doubt), LJ will split with Benson or take some of his carries away. Which honestly doesn't make either choice look great IMO
