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I'm not saying it's a guarantee or even likely, but I do think there's some chance of CJ Anderson making that Denver situation into more of a mess than anticipated. That would be great irony if people were buying Ball because of his great situation and he ended up getting pipped by an unheralded teammate.
I dont think its likely, but possible. WHo is passing up Gio on the depth chart?? Nooooobody.
No, I just think it's odd that he had that many 4th round picks to start with (and the one late 3rd). He must ask for a 4th rounder in every trade. You often see a team accumulate a lot of 1st. I've never seen a team collect 4th rounders like that.You saying that guy got hosed?The one team certainly cornered the market on 4th round picks.ghostguy123 said:
It's a deep draft and all but that's pushing it. However, with those deep rosters it could work out since I've seen a lot of good players end up in that range.You saying that guy got hosed?The one team certainly cornered the market on 4th round picks.ghostguy123 said:
thats why I did it. I am in ridiculous monster rebuild mode. I have four other 2015 1sts still that should all be better picks than the one I traded (at least three will).cstu said:
I like Gio more but I think the argument for Ball is strong. If you're taking Ball straight up obviously you're leaving some market value on the floor. But if you can get late 1st or other considerations on top of it, I could be easily convinced to chase the redraft points. If you believe in the redraft points, you can always sell high next year.EBF said:
I think the issue with this trade for me is the value. If you think Ball is better than Gio, that's fine. But I think it's pretty safe to say that market value wise, Gio has more value than Ball and Randle has more value than a 2015 2nd, by a good margin.
cant say I agree with that. He might, but likely?
I like him more than Wilson/Miller from last year...........................but it's like Deja Vu.
I would call it Lacy for the 1.2, Wright for Forte and the 1.5 and 17 are almost equal.
Oh, well, ya got me there. I forgot every rookie in history who was in a timeshare their rookie years stayed in a timeshare forever.
Or like being afraid that Arian Foster could outplay Ben Tate.
And so now Gio is a little smaller so he all of a sudden cant carry the load. Nice. I keep forgetting that all the bigger backs are constantly healthy while the smaller guys arent.
I'm okay with him being a top 20 player give or take because I'm not sure who else is at the moment.
Keenan Allen prices for a guy who couldn't beat out Knowshon Moreno? No thanks.
I'm not using it to declare him a bust. I'm using it to separate him from legitimate top 20 dynasty options. His resume should absolutely be considered when potentially paying so much.
What rookie RB goes to that team and is the starter? I don't think anyone from last years class. More goes into it for a rookie than just being a better talent than the guy in front of you.
I would feel very comfortable taking Ball high I'm a redraft. Way below Gio for dynasty though
Moreno was a last resort. They gave both Ball and Hillman a chance to take the job.
I like Gio more, but i just think the separation is too big right now between him and Ball.
NFL (8/13/13):
moreso sounds like they just werent going to start a rookie. You see it different.
As implied by my first post, I view there's a tier break somewhere around 20. Keenan Allen has a 15 ADP which is a higher tier than 20 and thus not a direct response to my post. If there are trades in this thread or in your league where Allen and Ball are being exchanged, that's certainly useful information, but not what I intended by my argument. Patterson, Marshall, Forte, ABrown for Ball have equivalent ADP and those are the players where the comparison gets more interesting to me. The merits and downsides of all those players are pretty apparent. Ball does have bust risk, and while I dismiss it in valuing him, I don't do intend to do so flippantly. If he hits modestly (does not facepalm) he is worth that sort of valuation.
DLF uses a WR-heavy format to establish it's ADP. In my two start-ups, he went 25 and 12 (also WR heavy).
There's at most 16 players above those guys so you would put him at around 26 or slightly thereafter, which is higher than his ADP. Clearly you are tiering him lower which is the rub of your argument, and if someone will pay at ADP12 then feel free to take advantage of an overpay. I wouldn't put Cam, Evans, or Brown in that tier and would prefer Ball to some of the others. However we are getting into "to each his own". I don't expect to draft Ball in any startups this year with Luck and others likely on the board but I will continue to try to buy him with high priced WR where I have depth.
uhhhh...some kind of scoring weirdness? Or somebody loves them some ADP?IDP dynasty. PPR
I gave up Matt Ryan, ADP, Toby Gerhart,, Justin Houston
I received Aaron Rodgers, Andre Ellington, Arian Foster, Calvin Johnson, and Sean Lee.
