Great point on the B10 champ. I hadn't even considered that one.Only problem with your bolded is that you can't have more than two teams from one conference in a BCS bowl, unless somehow two teams from the same conference are in the title game and neither is the league champion (as improbable as that seems).They also could finish ahead of the B10 champ. With OSU eliminated, that's definitely possible.The only teams worried about them are the SEC/P12 and maybe Oklahoma. I see virtually 0 chance any other conference sends a non-champ to the BCS so those teams that aren't champs are the ones in danger of losing out to Boise/Ohio.'Dickie Dunn said:Have to keep an eye on Boise State and Ohio, as well. Not for the championship game, but potentially to crash a BCS bowl.All one needs to do is finish in the top 16 and ahead of at least one of the champions of an AQ conference. Boise currently is No. 21, Ohio 24. Their best bet, obviously, is that the eventual BE champion fades or a team like Cincy still manages to win the league. Less likely is that a team other than Florida State wins the ACC -- certainly possibly, since NC State would be in good shape to win its division if it beats Clemson.'cheese said:Has very little to do with them and everything to do with what happens around them. If they get enough help, they could be in the title game. If all the big schools keep this up, probably pushed all the way to Orange who has the last BCS pick (especially Rutgers). The only way the Sugar/Fiesta happen is if a school like Boise makes it that they want even less.What happens if Rutgers or Louisville run the table?
Fiesta Bowl?
Ohio has some interesting chances to gain some exposure coming up. After facing Miami (Ohio) on Saturday, their next three games all would be mid-week TV games on either ESPN2 or ESPNU.
10 spots, 6 champs, probably ND, 2nd best SEC team, 2nd best P12 team, Boise/Ohio would take the place of SEC#3 (LSU/SCar?) or P12#3 (Oregon St/USC?). I could also see a 2 loss Oklahoma as the swing team. Kansas St needs 2 losses to not be the champ as far as I know so they're basically Fiesta Bowl or bust.
I could see why they would wait a day or two....can't believe they'd wait another week thru another home game if the decision was made.Chizik's mother passed away today. So they will probably wait til next week.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/mack-brown-complains-longhorn-network-negatively-affecting-texas-205045559--ncaaf.htmlMack Brown complains that the Longhorn Network is negatively affecting Texas … really, he did
It's tough to know where to start with this whopper: Mack Brown, according to Orangebloods.com, said the Longhorn Network is negatively affecting the Longhorns.
Yes, the same Longhorn Network that was to provide such a recruiting advantage that the use of high-school highlights on the network had to be banned after conference rivals revolted. The same LHN that gives Texas $15 million per year to pump into its athletic budget. The same network that is such an edge for Texas, it almost tore the Big 12 apart.
This network, Mack Brown insists, is suddenly bad for Texas.
Here's Chip Brown's full story, and it provides a strange glimpse into the mind of a coach that seems to be spending a lot of time worried about things that have nothing to do with his team winning or losing football games.
Brown complains about the time he takes doing interviews with the network. I'm sure he has a lot of obligations to the network, including taping three shows a week. ESPN is playing Texas $300 million (that number is still insane, no matter how many times you read it) over 20 years. That's going to require some extra time from Brown to chat about David Ash's throwing mechanics (I, like almost every other American, doesn't get the LHN, but I'm going to guess there's not much investigative journalism being done on those shows). That comes with the territory. It's worth noting Brown makes more than $5 million per season, even though he is 18-14 over the last three seasons. Texas went 5-7 the year before the Longhorn Network was launched, which is also worth noting.
But here's where Brown's concerns start to border on bizarre, from the Orangebloods.com story:
Brown even said if a player needs to have an ankle taped, the UT medical staff will tape both ankles so anyone watching LHN won't know if a player is injured.
Oh. That seems perfectly logical, and a great allocation of time. I'm sure the training staff loves getting that order. Nothing at all crazy about that.Consider that Texas's sports information staff keeps an eye on the network to make sure there are no competitive advantages being given away. The practice footage comes from the first eight periods of practice, which are assuredly done in a way to not give out any game-planning information (the first few periods of most college football practices are done on individual drills, the same type of drills every team does). To think that Oklahoma beat Texas 63-21 because of the network - which, again, provides Texas the kind of paycheck every other school dreams of and should allow the Longhorns to hire and retain the best assistants, build great facilities and have a huge recruiting budget - is flat out preposterous. To think that Texas can't tackle anyone this season because Mack Brown has to drive to the network studios to answer some questions is absurd. To think that opponents are winning because of things they pick up on the Longhorn Network - and keep in mind that Texas is having trainers tape healthy ankles to throw off opponents who might be watching the shows, so it's hard to believe any stone is being unturned there - is paranoia at its most extreme.
The whole thing comes off as whining in the worst way, like lottery winners complaining about how much they were taxed.
"I didn't ask for it," Brown said about LHN. "We were given a deal we had no input in."
As Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro told Yahoo! Sports' Eric Adelson, the Longhorns maybe need to get back to playing football and not "worrying about the stuff that you get distracted with at Texas like the Longhorn Network, all the fans, all the glory, Nike and all that stuff." His coach could benefit from that advice.
So, Texas fans, if you're upset your team is tied for fifth place in the Big 12 with a 2-2 mark, you know who to blame, and it's not Mack Brown. Blame the Longhorn Network instead. In fact, show some respect for Brown's meticulousness - if Texas trainers taped only injured ankles for practice, the Longhorns might not have even won those two conference games.
Good point. I had forgotten about the 2 team limit. The B12 #2 then becomes the likely team affected by the Boise/Ohio scenerio unless ND completely derails.Great point on the B10 champ. I hadn't even considered that one.Only problem with your bolded is that you can't have more than two teams from one conference in a BCS bowl, unless somehow two teams from the same conference are in the title game and neither is the league champion (as improbable as that seems).They also could finish ahead of the B10 champ. With OSU eliminated, that's definitely possible.The only teams worried about them are the SEC/P12 and maybe Oklahoma. I see virtually 0 chance any other conference sends a non-champ to the BCS so those teams that aren't champs are the ones in danger of losing out to Boise/Ohio.'Dickie Dunn said:Have to keep an eye on Boise State and Ohio, as well. Not for the championship game, but potentially to crash a BCS bowl.All one needs to do is finish in the top 16 and ahead of at least one of the champions of an AQ conference. Boise currently is No. 21, Ohio 24. Their best bet, obviously, is that the eventual BE champion fades or a team like Cincy still manages to win the league. Less likely is that a team other than Florida State wins the ACC -- certainly possibly, since NC State would be in good shape to win its division if it beats Clemson.'cheese said:Has very little to do with them and everything to do with what happens around them. If they get enough help, they could be in the title game. If all the big schools keep this up, probably pushed all the way to Orange who has the last BCS pick (especially Rutgers). The only way the Sugar/Fiesta happen is if a school like Boise makes it that they want even less.What happens if Rutgers or Louisville run the table?
Fiesta Bowl?
Ohio has some interesting chances to gain some exposure coming up. After facing Miami (Ohio) on Saturday, their next three games all would be mid-week TV games on either ESPN2 or ESPNU.
10 spots, 6 champs, probably ND, 2nd best SEC team, 2nd best P12 team, Boise/Ohio would take the place of SEC#3 (LSU/SCar?) or P12#3 (Oregon St/USC?). I could also see a 2 loss Oklahoma as the swing team. Kansas St needs 2 losses to not be the champ as far as I know so they're basically Fiesta Bowl or bust.
So assuming you have your six AQ champs and a non-AQ, you potentially would be looking at SEC #2, B12 #2, P12 #2 and ND for the final three spots.
Florida at +800 ia best value.ODDS TO WIN THE BCS - 10/22/12
Alabama +120
Kansas State +400
Oregon +450
Florida +800
USC +900
LSU +1000
OU +1200
Notre Dame +1500
Florida State +3000
Field +4000
Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
No such thing this year. I agree with you though that OU is the best value there.Also, Notre Dame beating USC would be even better for OU and mean that USC could win either or both Oregon game and it would be fine for OU.ODDS TO WIN THE BCS - 10/22/12
Alabama +120
Kansas State +400
Oregon +450
Florida +800
USC +900
LSU +1000
OU +1200
Notre Dame +1500
Florida State +3000
Field +4000
Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
This was my initial thought as well.Florida at +800 ia best value.ODDS TO WIN THE BCS - 10/22/12
Alabama +120
Kansas State +400
Oregon +450
Florida +800
USC +900
LSU +1000
OU +1200
Notre Dame +1500
Florida State +3000
Field +4000
Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
That would require them winning a BCS game.Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
Don't really think OU is good value at all. This has nothing to do with the quality of the team but of the realities of their situation. They need to win out obviously. They likely need KSU to lose this weekend and Texas Tech winning out to win the Big 12. Otherwise, voters are going to hold it against them that they didn't win their conference, that the team that won their conference beat them on their home field, and that team has the same record. Computers will help some but KSU will get huge credit for that win and probably be tough to pass even with a later loss.No such thing this year. I agree with you though that OU is the best value there.Also, Notre Dame beating USC would be even better for OU and mean that USC could win either or both Oregon game and it would be fine for OU.ODDS TO WIN THE BCS - 10/22/12
Alabama +120
Kansas State +400
Oregon +450
Florida +800
USC +900
LSU +1000
OU +1200
Notre Dame +1500
Florida State +3000
Field +4000
Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
ahh, just realized GM's mistake. The Big 12 only has 10 teams and it is a round robin format. There is no championship game so OU has no shot at redemption vs KSU.Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
think this really depends on who #2 is. They don't have to pick in order or anything so they pick who is most likely to sell tickets and draw ratings. If it's KSU or Tech, well, yeah, they probably get squeezed. If it's Oklahoma, they may jump the #2 Pac. If you are the Sugar Bowl and have the option of taking Oregon State or Oklahoma, who do you take? It's also why if Notre Dame qualifies, they will definitely be selected.Good point. I had forgotten about the 2 team limit. The B12 #2 then becomes the likely team affected by the Boise/Ohio scenerio unless ND completely derails.Great point on the B10 champ. I hadn't even considered that one.Only problem with your bolded is that you can't have more than two teams from one conference in a BCS bowl, unless somehow two teams from the same conference are in the title game and neither is the league champion (as improbable as that seems).They also could finish ahead of the B10 champ. With OSU eliminated, that's definitely possible.The only teams worried about them are the SEC/P12 and maybe Oklahoma. I see virtually 0 chance any other conference sends a non-champ to the BCS so those teams that aren't champs are the ones in danger of losing out to Boise/Ohio.Have to keep an eye on Boise State and Ohio, as well. Not for the championship game, but potentially to crash a BCS bowl.All one needs to do is finish in the top 16 and ahead of at least one of the champions of an AQ conference. Boise currently is No. 21, Ohio 24. Their best bet, obviously, is that the eventual BE champion fades or a team like Cincy still manages to win the league. Less likely is that a team other than Florida State wins the ACC -- certainly possibly, since NC State would be in good shape to win its division if it beats Clemson.Has very little to do with them and everything to do with what happens around them. If they get enough help, they could be in the title game. If all the big schools keep this up, probably pushed all the way to Orange who has the last BCS pick (especially Rutgers). The only way the Sugar/Fiesta happen is if a school like Boise makes it that they want even less.What happens if Rutgers or Louisville run the table?
Fiesta Bowl?
Ohio has some interesting chances to gain some exposure coming up. After facing Miami (Ohio) on Saturday, their next three games all would be mid-week TV games on either ESPN2 or ESPNU.
10 spots, 6 champs, probably ND, 2nd best SEC team, 2nd best P12 team, Boise/Ohio would take the place of SEC#3 (LSU/SCar?) or P12#3 (Oregon St/USC?). I could also see a 2 loss Oklahoma as the swing team. Kansas St needs 2 losses to not be the champ as far as I know so they're basically Fiesta Bowl or bust.
So assuming you have your six AQ champs and a non-AQ, you potentially would be looking at SEC #2, B12 #2, P12 #2 and ND for the final three spots.
For the exact reason you're giving, their is a VERY little chance the 2nd PAC choice would be Oregon St. It would take USC losing at least 2 more games and Oregon winning out. Otherwise, Oregon St is Rose Bowl or bust because they would rather have USC/Oregon than all but the most extreme scenerio. If you're the Sugar Bowl and you have the option of USC/Oregon or Oklahoma/Kansas St it looks a lot different. I never argued that it's impossible though. Certainly, there is a scenerio where Oregon beats Oregon St and hands USC 2 more losses and Kansas St goes undefeated and Oklahoma wins out and Boise/Ohio win out and they finish top 16 and they finish above a BCS champ.... where only 1 PAC goes. But my head just exploded typing all the criteria it would take.think this really depends on who #2 is. They don't have to pick in order or anything so they pick who is most likely to sell tickets and draw ratings. If it's KSU or Tech, well, yeah, they probably get squeezed. If it's Oklahoma, they may jump the #2 Pac. If you are the Sugar Bowl and have the option of taking Oregon State or Oklahoma, who do you take? It's also why if Notre Dame qualifies, they will definitely be selected.Good point. I had forgotten about the 2 team limit. The B12 #2 then becomes the likely team affected by the Boise/Ohio scenerio unless ND completely derails.Great point on the B10 champ. I hadn't even considered that one.Only problem with your bolded is that you can't have more than two teams from one conference in a BCS bowl, unless somehow two teams from the same conference are in the title game and neither is the league champion (as improbable as that seems).They also could finish ahead of the B10 champ. With OSU eliminated, that's definitely possible.The only teams worried about them are the SEC/P12 and maybe Oklahoma. I see virtually 0 chance any other conference sends a non-champ to the BCS so those teams that aren't champs are the ones in danger of losing out to Boise/Ohio.Have to keep an eye on Boise State and Ohio, as well. Not for the championship game, but potentially to crash a BCS bowl.All one needs to do is finish in the top 16 and ahead of at least one of the champions of an AQ conference. Boise currently is No. 21, Ohio 24. Their best bet, obviously, is that the eventual BE champion fades or a team like Cincy still manages to win the league. Less likely is that a team other than Florida State wins the ACC -- certainly possibly, since NC State would be in good shape to win its division if it beats Clemson.Has very little to do with them and everything to do with what happens around them. If they get enough help, they could be in the title game. If all the big schools keep this up, probably pushed all the way to Orange who has the last BCS pick (especially Rutgers). The only way the Sugar/Fiesta happen is if a school like Boise makes it that they want even less.What happens if Rutgers or Louisville run the table?
Fiesta Bowl?
Ohio has some interesting chances to gain some exposure coming up. After facing Miami (Ohio) on Saturday, their next three games all would be mid-week TV games on either ESPN2 or ESPNU.
10 spots, 6 champs, probably ND, 2nd best SEC team, 2nd best P12 team, Boise/Ohio would take the place of SEC#3 (LSU/SCar?) or P12#3 (Oregon St/USC?). I could also see a 2 loss Oklahoma as the swing team. Kansas St needs 2 losses to not be the champ as far as I know so they're basically Fiesta Bowl or bust.
So assuming you have your six AQ champs and a non-AQ, you potentially would be looking at SEC #2, B12 #2, P12 #2 and ND for the final three spots.
I think there is a big difference between a team only splitting a conf championship and actually losing it entirely. In the case where KST finishes 11-1, do they even use tiebreakers for anything? They just give both teams a trophy right?Don't really think OU is good value at all. This has nothing to do with the quality of the team but of the realities of their situation. They need to win out obviously. They likely need KSU to lose this weekend and Texas Tech winning out to win the Big 12. Otherwise, voters are going to hold it against them that they didn't win their conference, that the team that won their conference beat them on their home field, and that team has the same record. Computers will help some but KSU will get huge credit for that win and probably be tough to pass even with a later loss.No such thing this year. I agree with you though that OU is the best value there.Also, Notre Dame beating USC would be even better for OU and mean that USC could win either or both Oregon game and it would be fine for OU.ODDS TO WIN THE BCS - 10/22/12
Alabama +120
Kansas State +400
Oregon +450
Florida +800
USC +900
LSU +1000
OU +1200
Notre Dame +1500
Florida State +3000
Field +4000
Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
They'll never pass a 1-loss SEC champ so that means they would also need Oregon and Oregon State to lose at least one game and even then that might not be enough if it's a loss at USC and then a win vs USC later.
So I see their odds of even getting into the title game are very slim which makes them a pretty poor bet.
If two teams are tied then h2h is the tiebreaker. If three teams are tied and the top two teams are within one spot of each other in the final standings then h2h between those two teams is used. If the top two are not within one sport of one another it's simply the team ranked the highest.I think there is a big difference between a team only splitting a conf championship and actually losing it entirely. In the case where KST finishes 11-1, do they even use tiebreakers for anything? They just give both teams a trophy right?Don't really think OU is good value at all. This has nothing to do with the quality of the team but of the realities of their situation. They need to win out obviously. They likely need KSU to lose this weekend and Texas Tech winning out to win the Big 12. Otherwise, voters are going to hold it against them that they didn't win their conference, that the team that won their conference beat them on their home field, and that team has the same record. Computers will help some but KSU will get huge credit for that win and probably be tough to pass even with a later loss.No such thing this year. I agree with you though that OU is the best value there.Also, Notre Dame beating USC would be even better for OU and mean that USC could win either or both Oregon game and it would be fine for OU.ODDS TO WIN THE BCS - 10/22/12
Alabama +120
Kansas State +400
Oregon +450
Florida +800
USC +900
LSU +1000
OU +1200
Notre Dame +1500
Florida State +3000
Field +4000
Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
They'll never pass a 1-loss SEC champ so that means they would also need Oregon and Oregon State to lose at least one game and even then that might not be enough if it's a loss at USC and then a win vs USC later.
So I see their odds of even getting into the title game are very slim which makes them a pretty poor bet.
Bah, I didn't know that. Glad I didn't bet it. I did throw a C-Note on my Ducks, but I'm biased. I think they will win out and face Bama, though I'm concerned about KSU standing in their way. Much better SOS and the wins on the road at OU and WVU (who is a fraud) resonate more than anything Oregon has done or perhaps will do, unless USC and OSU win out and the Ducks beat them.ahh, just realized GM's mistake. The Big 12 only has 10 teams and it is a round robin format. There is no championship game so OU has no shot at redemption vs KSU.Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
In a scenario where both KSU and OU end 11-1, there is going to be a certain contingent of voters that will vote OU below KSU because KSU went into Norman and won. The computers will also likely put KSU ahead of OU. However, OU's cache and the fact that they lost earlier will keep it pretty close imo which is actually bad for the Big 12 as a whole....they will be splitting the vote. Each conference is best off having one obvious choice. For instance if there is a clear cut 1-loss Pac champ, they probably stay ahead of both OU and KSU because of this vote splitting. So no matter if OU is the best team in the country, they aren't well set up to get to the title game which imo makes them a very bad bet.If two teams are tied then h2h is the tiebreaker. If three teams are tied and the top two teams are within one spot of each other in the final standings then h2h between those two teams is used. If the top two are not within one sport of one another it's simply the team ranked the highest.I think there is a big difference between a team only splitting a conf championship and actually losing it entirely. In the case where KST finishes 11-1, do they even use tiebreakers for anything? They just give both teams a trophy right?Don't really think OU is good value at all. This has nothing to do with the quality of the team but of the realities of their situation. They need to win out obviously. They likely need KSU to lose this weekend and Texas Tech winning out to win the Big 12. Otherwise, voters are going to hold it against them that they didn't win their conference, that the team that won their conference beat them on their home field, and that team has the same record. Computers will help some but KSU will get huge credit for that win and probably be tough to pass even with a later loss.No such thing this year. I agree with you though that OU is the best value there.Also, Notre Dame beating USC would be even better for OU and mean that USC could win either or both Oregon game and it would be fine for OU.ODDS TO WIN THE BCS - 10/22/12
Alabama +120
Kansas State +400
Oregon +450
Florida +800
USC +900
LSU +1000
OU +1200
Notre Dame +1500
Florida State +3000
Field +4000
Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
They'll never pass a 1-loss SEC champ so that means they would also need Oregon and Oregon State to lose at least one game and even then that might not be enough if it's a loss at USC and then a win vs USC later.
So I see their odds of even getting into the title game are very slim which makes them a pretty poor bet.
I would think absolutely, especially if you have an Oregon State team with only 1 loss (to Oregon, though we are really putting the cart before the horse here).A couple of other things to consider:
-- Any at-large team has to be in the top 14 of the final rankings.
-- Nos. 3-4 in the final standings, if not conference champs, are automatic at-larges as long as there isn't an at-large from the same conference in the title game (in essence, a "3rd" team from the conference, since there also would be a champion somewhere else in the picture).
Let's assume, just for conversation, that Alabama and Oregon finish 1-2, respectively. Meanwhile, K-State wins the Big 12.
Here is what we have:
Championship: Alabama vs. Oregon
Orange: ACC champ vs. ???
Fiesta: Kansas State vs. ???
Rose: Big 10 champ vs. ???
Sugar: (open)
The Sugar Bowl get the first choice, and you would have to assume would take the No. 2 team from the SEC (Florida or LSU?). Then the Rose Bowl gets the next pick. Is it safe to assume it would take the No. 2 team from the Pac-12 to keep the tradition?
That leaves the Fiesta-Sugar-Orange (in that order, 2013 rotation) to choose among the BE champ, B12 #2, ND and potentially a Boise/Ohio. So yes, it is possible that the Big 12 #2 gets screwed in this scenario, since ND would be a no-brainer choice for the Fiesta (they wouldn't pit another Big 12 against K-State) and the other two would have to be automatics.
Now, what if it is K-State at No. 2 instead of Oregon? Obviously, Oregon then goes to the Rose Bowl and then the Fiesta gets the second pick of teams. So essentially the Fiesta would get the next two picks, since it also has the first pick after choosing its championship replacement. So it could grab ND and then the second Big 12 team, leaving the Pac-12 #2 out in the cold.
Obviously still a lot left to be decided. And for the record, since I championed a 16-team playoff last year, I still believe there is plenty of room for these sort of debates when you are looking at only five potential at-large spots (which right now could be Florida, LSU, ND, Oklahoma and USC/Oregon State -- not bad).
this is good analysis. I didn't want to have to look up the order of picks In this scenario I think the Fiesta could pass on the Big 12 if it's not OU or UT. None of the rest have enough marketability. There's no RG3 or underdog story or anything. This isn't the Rose Bowl and the Fiesta has no need to keep the Big 12 happy at this point (they got shafted by the Champions setup). Notre Dame is a no-brainer and if the Fiesta has the first pick, they have to go there. The second pick though would be totally up in the air.Now, what if it is K-State at No. 2 instead of Oregon? Obviously, Oregon then goes to the Rose Bowl and then the Fiesta gets the second pick of teams. So essentially the Fiesta would get the next two picks, since it also has the first pick after choosing its championship replacement. So it could grab ND and then the second Big 12 team, leaving the Pac-12 #2 out in the cold.
CUSA - think UCF wins this year but Tulsa is doing well right now and they get UCF at homeWAC - La Tech will go undefeated. Believe they are also higher in BCS (though not in top 25)MAC - Ohio is #24 in the BCS which I thought was your first tiebreakSince I did this exercise last year, it's time to break out my bracket for a mythical 16-team playoff.This doesn't make any assumptions for what can happen down the road, only things as they currently stand today. Current conference leaders are considered to be "champions", and tiebreaker is BCS standing and then Sagarin.16. Tulsa (C-USA)13. Utah State (WAC)14. N. Illinois (MAC*)
I agree, I was just responding to cheese's question about tiebreakers. I think that KState is going to win the conference outright anyways. If OU wins out that KState game will end up being one of the more painful losses of the Stoops era.In a scenario where both KSU and OU end 11-1, there is going to be a certain contingent of voters that will vote OU below KSU because KSU went into Norman and won. The computers will also likely put KSU ahead of OU. However, OU's cache and the fact that they lost earlier will keep it pretty close imo which is actually bad for the Big 12 as a whole....they will be splitting the vote. Each conference is best off having one obvious choice. For instance if there is a clear cut 1-loss Pac champ, they probably stay ahead of both OU and KSU because of this vote splitting. So no matter if OU is the best team in the country, they aren't well set up to get to the title game which imo makes them a very bad bet.If two teams are tied then h2h is the tiebreaker. If three teams are tied and the top two teams are within one spot of each other in the final standings then h2h between those two teams is used. If the top two are not within one sport of one another it's simply the team ranked the highest.
Should have been a little more clear. I actually was using current conference standings ... Ohio at 3-0 is a half-game behind Northern Illinois, Toledo and Kent State. So I was using BCS and Sagarin as tiebreakers for conference standings. Utah State is 2-0 in the WAC right now while La. Tech (and Texas State, which I believe is ineligible as an FBS transition team) is 1-0.CUSA - think UCF wins this year but Tulsa is doing well right now and they get UCF at homeWAC - La Tech will go undefeated. Believe they are also higher in BCS (though not in top 25)Since I did this exercise last year, it's time to break out my bracket for a mythical 16-team playoff.
This doesn't make any assumptions for what can happen down the road, only things as they currently stand today. Current conference leaders are considered to be "champions", and tiebreaker is BCS standing and then Sagarin.
16. Tulsa (C-USA)
13. Utah State (WAC)
14. N. Illinois (MAC*)
MAC - Ohio is #24 in the BCS which I thought was your first tiebreak
Maybe. But I think that loss was the catalyst for what's happened since then. I don't think we would have seen the results we've seen had OU pulled out the KSU game and it's likely they would have dropped another one somewhere down the line. There's been a definite attitude adjustment with the players. And that's a good thing.I agree, I was just responding to cheese's question about tiebreakers. I think that KState is going to win the conference outright anyways. If OU wins out that KState game will end up being one of the more painful losses of the Stoops era.In a scenario where both KSU and OU end 11-1, there is going to be a certain contingent of voters that will vote OU below KSU because KSU went into Norman and won. The computers will also likely put KSU ahead of OU. However, OU's cache and the fact that they lost earlier will keep it pretty close imo which is actually bad for the Big 12 as a whole....they will be splitting the vote. Each conference is best off having one obvious choice. For instance if there is a clear cut 1-loss Pac champ, they probably stay ahead of both OU and KSU because of this vote splitting. So no matter if OU is the best team in the country, they aren't well set up to get to the title game which imo makes them a very bad bet.If two teams are tied then h2h is the tiebreaker. If three teams are tied and the top two teams are within one spot of each other in the final standings then h2h between those two teams is used. If the top two are not within one sport of one another it's simply the team ranked the highest.
Not that it changes any of the scenarios, but I wonder if the Sugar would be married to grabbing the second SEC team with Notre Dame floating out there. It wouldn't matter in the big picture, because I assume the Fiesta would grab the other one either way.this is good analysis. I didn't want to have to look up the order of picks In this scenario I think the Fiesta could pass on the Big 12 if it's not OU or UT. None of the rest have enough marketability. There's no RG3 or underdog story or anything. This isn't the Rose Bowl and the Fiesta has no need to keep the Big 12 happy at this point (they got shafted by the Champions setup). Notre Dame is a no-brainer and if the Fiesta has the first pick, they have to go there. The second pick though would be totally up in the air.Now, what if it is K-State at No. 2 instead of Oregon? Obviously, Oregon then goes to the Rose Bowl and then the Fiesta gets the second pick of teams. So essentially the Fiesta would get the next two picks, since it also has the first pick after choosing its championship replacement. So it could grab ND and then the second Big 12 team, leaving the Pac-12 #2 out in the cold.
btw, since some expressed interest last week when I posted details, tv ratings in the various time slots throughout the weekend this past weekend
noon
Virginia Tech-Clemson (or Purdue-Ohio State), ABC, 3.1
LSU-Texas A&M, ESPN, 2.8
330
South Carolina-Florida, CBS, 3.3
BYU-Notre Dame, NBC, 2.7
Nebraska-Northwestern (or South Florida-Louisville or Texas Tech-TCU), ABC, 2.4
Stanford-California, Fox, 0.7
primetime
Florida State-Miami (or Baylor-Texas), ABC 3.5
Alabama-Tennessee, ESPN, 2.6
Kansas State-West Virginia, Fox, 1.7
No other games had over a 1.0 share. The fact that KSU-WVU lost to cable is a catastrophe really. And given that, I'm not even sure what to say about the 330 slot on Fox. It's estimated that cable games, even on ESPN, would get about 50% higher ratings if placed on the networks.
I think Baylor vs Texas was added to Miami/FSU.Crazy that FSU-Miami doubled up KSU-WVU and was the highest rated game of the day.
Not surprised.A lot of smoke that Eugene Chizik has won the First Canning of the Year trophy.
They'd take whoever brought them the most money.Not that it changes any of the scenarios, but I wonder if the Sugar would be married to grabbing the second SEC team with Notre Dame floating out there. It wouldn't matter in the big picture, because I assume the Fiesta would grab the other one either way.this is good analysis. I didn't want to have to look up the order of picks In this scenario I think the Fiesta could pass on the Big 12 if it's not OU or UT. None of the rest have enough marketability. There's no RG3 or underdog story or anything. This isn't the Rose Bowl and the Fiesta has no need to keep the Big 12 happy at this point (they got shafted by the Champions setup). Notre Dame is a no-brainer and if the Fiesta has the first pick, they have to go there. The second pick though would be totally up in the air.Now, what if it is K-State at No. 2 instead of Oregon? Obviously, Oregon then goes to the Rose Bowl and then the Fiesta gets the second pick of teams. So essentially the Fiesta would get the next two picks, since it also has the first pick after choosing its championship replacement. So it could grab ND and then the second Big 12 team, leaving the Pac-12 #2 out in the cold.
I don't see Auburn hiring Petrino this soon after his colossal break down.Just amazing that Chizik is about to get tossed two years after winning a championship.Petrino? Auburn deserves a scumbag like him. It'll happen.
But here's where Brown's concerns start to border on bizarre, from the Orangebloods.com story:
Brown even said if a player needs to have an ankle taped, the UT medical staff will tape both ankles so anyone watching LHN won't know if a player is injured.
No Big 12 championship game this year.ODDS TO WIN THE BCS - 10/22/12
Alabama +120
Kansas State +400
Oregon +450
Florida +800
USC +900
LSU +1000
OU +1200
Notre Dame +1500
Florida State +3000
Field +4000
Boy, I'm mildly tempted to take OU +1200....that's pretty enticing. Could happen, right? Beat KSU in the rematch and hope USC beats Oregon then loses to the Ducks in the PAC-12 Championship Game? I think OU has the best chance of anybody else to beat Bama. Yes, better than my Ducks, there I said it.
True, because they're going to get stuck with a much weaker second team, relatively speaking, unless the Boise/Ohio scenario doesn't happen. If they can't grab a second B12/P-12 team (whichever is left) for the other spot, the key will be whichever team ends up winning the Big East.'The Commish said:They'd take whoever brought them the most money.'Dickie Dunn said:Not that it changes any of the scenarios, but I wonder if the Sugar would be married to grabbing the second SEC team with Notre Dame floating out there. It wouldn't matter in the big picture, because I assume the Fiesta would grab the other one either way.'prefontaine said:this is good analysis. I didn't want to have to look up the order of picks In this scenario I think the Fiesta could pass on the Big 12 if it's not OU or UT. None of the rest have enough marketability. There's no RG3 or underdog story or anything. This isn't the Rose Bowl and the Fiesta has no need to keep the Big 12 happy at this point (they got shafted by the Champions setup). Notre Dame is a no-brainer and if the Fiesta has the first pick, they have to go there. The second pick though would be totally up in the air.'Dickie Dunn said:Now, what if it is K-State at No. 2 instead of Oregon? Obviously, Oregon then goes to the Rose Bowl and then the Fiesta gets the second pick of teams. So essentially the Fiesta would get the next two picks, since it also has the first pick after choosing its championship replacement. So it could grab ND and then the second Big 12 team, leaving the Pac-12 #2 out in the cold.
I don't know for sure, but they may not. They have a long standing relationship with the SEC. They (New Orleans) bid a lot for SEC events. Even if they thought Notre Dame might make them more money (and they might), I think they'd pick an SEC team first assuming it wasn't a massive different (and it shouldn't be as the options will likely be one of LSU, Bama, or UF). It's good long term business especially since Notre Dame is about to be locked into the Orange.'The Commish said:They'd take whoever brought them the most money.'Dickie Dunn said:Not that it changes any of the scenarios, but I wonder if the Sugar would be married to grabbing the second SEC team with Notre Dame floating out there. It wouldn't matter in the big picture, because I assume the Fiesta would grab the other one either way.'prefontaine said:this is good analysis. I didn't want to have to look up the order of picks In this scenario I think the Fiesta could pass on the Big 12 if it's not OU or UT. None of the rest have enough marketability. There's no RG3 or underdog story or anything. This isn't the Rose Bowl and the Fiesta has no need to keep the Big 12 happy at this point (they got shafted by the Champions setup). Notre Dame is a no-brainer and if the Fiesta has the first pick, they have to go there. The second pick though would be totally up in the air.'Dickie Dunn said:Now, what if it is K-State at No. 2 instead of Oregon? Obviously, Oregon then goes to the Rose Bowl and then the Fiesta gets the second pick of teams. So essentially the Fiesta would get the next two picks, since it also has the first pick after choosing its championship replacement. So it could grab ND and then the second Big 12 team, leaving the Pac-12 #2 out in the cold.
Seems unpossible.Auburn in hot water?
All aranged by his dad without Jordan's knowledge. Non issue. Move on.Auburn in hot water? I don't have a sub to rivals, but I was clicking and stumbled onto their boards...on the main board I saw this thread title:
Jordan Diamond, OL at Auburn admits to taking $50,000 to sign with Aubs
I couldn't read the thread. I have no idea if it was a fishing trip or not. What I do know is Diamond had a short list of schools for a while, then at the end added Auburn. That's about all I know about him outside his comments regarding his visit to Michigan.Wow, that fishing trip went to multiple boards fast. I'll go ahead and tell you none of that's true. Everyone can ignore me, then next Tuesday when no article comes out, we'll all pretend it none of this happened.
The guy who started the thread has been slamming Auburn for a few weeks on the main rivals board, changing his login name multiple times. It's on the Scout board as well now. No idea why the guy has such a hard on for Auburn.I couldn't read the thread. I have no idea if it was a fishing trip or not. What I do know is Diamond had a short list of schools for a while, then at the end added Auburn. That's about all I know about him outside his comments regarding his visit to Michigan.Wow, that fishing trip went to multiple boards fast. I'll go ahead and tell you none of that's true. Everyone can ignore me, then next Tuesday when no article comes out, we'll all pretend none of this happened.
Because you guys bought Cam Newton and everyone in the entire college football world knows it and yet Auburn didn't even get a slap on the wrist? That might be the reason.The guy who started the thread has been slamming Auburn for a few weeks on the main rivals board, changing his login name multiple times. It's on the Scout board as well now. No idea why the guy has such a hard on for Auburn.I couldn't read the thread. I have no idea if it was a fishing trip or not. What I do know is Diamond had a short list of schools for a while, then at the end added Auburn. That's about all I know about him outside his comments regarding his visit to Michigan.Wow, that fishing trip went to multiple boards fast. I'll go ahead and tell you none of that's true. Everyone can ignore me, then next Tuesday when no article comes out, we'll all pretend none of this happened.
Because you guys bought Cam Newton and everyone in the entire college football world knows it and yet Auburn didn't even get a slap on the wrist? That might be the reason.The guy who started the thread has been slamming Auburn for a few weeks on the main rivals board, changing his login name multiple times. It's on the Scout board as well now. No idea why the guy has such a hard on for Auburn.I couldn't read the thread. I have no idea if it was a fishing trip or not. What I do know is Diamond had a short list of schools for a while, then at the end added Auburn. That's about all I know about him outside his comments regarding his visit to Michigan.Wow, that fishing trip went to multiple boards fast. I'll go ahead and tell you none of that's true. Everyone can ignore me, then next Tuesday when no article comes out, we'll all pretend none of this happened.
OU line up to -11UF up to -6.5Some early lines:OU -8.5 vs NDFlorida -4 vs UGAAlabama -21 vs Miss St