fruity pebbles
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16 team, 1/2 ppr. Kerryon, Dalvin Cook and a late 1st were traded for Kamara.
I agree but what I’m saying is there has to be a starting point. You (I don’t) don’t offer my maxed out offer at the beginning of negotiations. Even though I didn’t expect him to accept the original offer stranger things have happened even though it doesn’t make any sense. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.I didn’t say you did anything wrong by making the offer - just not sure why some one would take it.
Wow!16 team, 1/2 ppr. Kerryon, Dalvin Cook and a late 1st were traded for Kamara.
As a Mahomes owner, I would look at the Wentz owner like he had three heads if he came at me with a straight up offer. And I own Jeffery's.BigTex said:I’m going after Mahomes next. I already had Kelce. The Mahomes owner has Agholor and Ertz and so I have Wentz I’m looking to do a swap.
He’d have Wentz/Agholor/Ertz
I’d have Mahomes/Hill/Kelce
Tex
Love Kamara, but I’d take the KJ/DC/1st herefruity pebbles said:16 team, 1/2 ppr. Kerryon, Dalvin Cook and a late 1st were traded for Kamara.
I only play PPR or PPR with TE premium and also only play in 12 team leagues with usually smaller roster formats . In the format I'm used to this would be a team by team decision. I got some teams I'd accept this offer for Kamara, some I'd pass and vice versa.fruity pebbles said:16 team, 1/2 ppr. Kerryon, Dalvin Cook and a late 1st were traded for Kamara.
That's a lot of solid pieces. Guess it depends on roster whether i'd do it. If stacked starting lineup would pass. If needed solid depth would do it.Love Kamara, but I’d take the KJ/DC/1st here
Have you read his posts in here? He either plays with morons or he just makes #### up completely. That's why he has 19 first round picks in every league next year on top of an all star lineup.Dr. Octopus said:Why would the other guy do that? A lateral move where you get older - sounds like a poor dynasty strategy.
I lacked enough info to say since he we don't know the draft order of those 2019 picks or outlook for the 2020 pick.Steep even for Thielen IMO
I'd take the OBJ/Dalvin side.1.2, 1.5, 2.4, Antonio Brown, Sam Darnold,
OBJ, Dalvin Cook, Kyle Rudolph, 2 - 2020 2nds
1.7, 1.8 and a mid 2020 1st. 10 team league.I lacked enough info to say since he we don't know the draft order of those 2019 picks or outlook for the 2020 pick.
At this point there really is no reason to not post the draft order on trades involving 2019 picks.
Baker side, but see the appeal.10-team PPR. Not involved.
Jared Goff, Joe Mixon, Robert Woods
for
Baker Mayfield, Derrius Guice, Kerryon Johnson
Totally irrelevant, but both are huge Browns fans, so Baker is probably valued a little higher in this deal than normal. I would gladly take the Mixon side, though.
Free 2020 1st, good job.Not involved:
Thielen for 2 Firsts in 2019 and 1 in 2020.
and
1.2, 1.5, 2.4, Antonio Brown, Sam Darnold,
OBJ, Dalvin Cook, Kyle Rudolph, 2 - 2020 2nds
Cooper by a good bit.Not involved 10 team PPR.
Amari Cooper for 1.7, 2020 late 2nd, and Kevin White.
I thought it was really close myself, went OBJ side but by basically a 2020 second.OBJ side, not particularly close.
Thanks for added info.1.7, 1.8 and a mid 2020 1st. 10 team league.
Fair evaluation meno. Personally I’m way down on Brown.I thought it was really close myself, went OBJ side but by basically a 2020 second.
You might be right and maybe I should be more down on him, just still think he's the hardest WR to cover in the NFL. There is a thread for him so I'll try for to keep it short here and say a month ago I had two concerns with AB, his and his QB's age. He's not getting any younger and I don't want to see him get traded but I think he does and that might solve one of my concerns but I'm quite possibly not as worried as I should be at him possibly getting a worse QB and worse system leading to new concerns.Fair evaluation meno. Personally I’m way down on Brown.
Rather have Kamara and big Mike2 trades in a 12 team PPR QRRWWWT (going into 19th year)
Gave Alvin Kamara and Mike Williams
Receive Joe Mixon and Stefon Diggs
Both teams are competitive. My team a little more so. It downgrades my RB2 to Mixon/Chubb, but upgrades WR3 from Lockett/Fuller to Diggs.
Gave John Ross
Received Jonnu Smith
have Delanie and am sort of just sick of looking at Ross on my roster.
Same. I truly like all the players in the trade but way I see it is I like Kamara over Mixon a little more then I like Diggs over Mike Williams.Rather have Kamara and big Mike
So you went and did it after all. Great value for what was likely a 2018 5th or FA pickup, but I’m keeping Herndon because I believe he’s a talent, hopefully in an improving situation.I referenced this trade in the dynasty value discussion thread.
FFPC
Gave: Herndon
Got: Edelman, 2.3
Kamara/beck for me12 team PPR - Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, Flex. Short Benches.
Team A gives Gurley, Diggs
Team B gives Kamara, Beckham
I had you down as having this opinion. And for those that don't know JackReacher should not be confused with After the fact Jack. I thought I was higher on Herndon than anyone else I knew this past off-season until he kept hyping him up. Good call.So you went and did it after all. Great value for what was likely a 2018 5th or FA pickup, but I’m keeping Herndon because I believe he’s a talent, hopefully in an improving situation.
edit: now seeing your reasoning in the value thread. I will post thoughts there.
Gurley > Kamara12 team PPR - Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, Flex. Short Benches.
Team A gives Gurley, Diggs
Team B gives Kamara, Beckham
Pettis easilyFFPC 12 team ppr
gave: 2.09
received: Pettis WR SF
I don't know much about the incoming rookie class, honestly, but I think that the odds of a 2nd round NFL draft pick like Pettis making down to the 2.09 pick in a fantasy draft are probably not good looking at previous year's rookie drafts I've done.
I think of him as a replaceable asset to a fantasy team and an NFL one. I'd rather use the 2.09 to package and move up in the draft or find an upgrade than take a guy like Pettis. I'm just not a fan of his. I think people will be questioning his role come season's start because they're likely to draft a top WR talent this year, and that leaves Goodwin, Pettis and Bourne in the fight for #2 duty. hehe duty.FFPC 12 team ppr
gave: 2.09
received: Pettis WR SF
I don't know much about the incoming rookie class, honestly, but I think that the odds of a 2nd round NFL draft pick like Pettis making down to the 2.09 pick in a fantasy draft are probably not good looking at previous year's rookie drafts I've done.
As you know in the FFPC - you have to make tough decisions — call your shots — because you can’t carry more than a couple projects. I’m with Zyphros- I like Pettis okay as a player, but don’t love the situation. He may carry more value than the 2.9, but I am okay with accepting small value losses to keep my roster balanced, with cutdown day looming.Pettis went 2.09 or earlier last year and flashed WR1 ability down the stretch this year. I know it's cut-down season in FFPC but that seems crazy light for him.
I don't see what's not to love about the situation. His only real competition for WR snaps next year (in a Kyle Shanahan offense) is Goodwin and maybe a rookie. The 49ers traded up to get Pettis and when healthy he flashed WR1 potential so he's already shown more NFL ability than this rookie that may or may not get drafted. Speaking of trading up for him, unless they draft this rookie in the first round, they will be investing the same or less draft capital than they invested in Pettis. And even if they draft a rookie, the bust rate is not insignificant as is the rookie learning curve, so Pettis could easily enter the season as the WR1 even if they were to draft the 1st round guy. I can't pretend to know all the draft needs of the 49ers on both sides of the ball, but I think it is safe to say the probability of them drafting a WR with their 1st round pick is less than 50%.As you know in the FFPC - you have to make tough decisions — call your shots — because you can’t carry more than a couple projects. I’m with Zyphros- I like Pettis okay as a player, but don’t love the situation. He may carry more value than the 2.9, but I am okay with accepting small value losses to keep my roster balanced, with cutdown day looming.
Edit to add: Pre-March cuts, I think Pettis is in the 2.6-2.9 range. After cuts, his value spikes to 2.1-2.4. I personally would not pay a late first for him.
I have never wanted to pay the “Shanahan premium.” He had great talent to work with in Atlanta. I personally didn’t believe that success would follow him to SF, especially when you have to factor the cost you have to pay to acquire his players. But I’m going to do a deeper dive on Shanahan to see if my ideas are off base.I don't see what's not to love about the situation. His only real competition for WR snaps next year (in a Kyle Shanahan offense) is Goodwin and maybe a rookie.
My thoughts exactly. I could keep the 2.9 and throw another dart at a rookie WR who would most likely have been drafted in the NFL draft LATER than where Pettis was, or I can spend the pick on a player who’s already shown flashes of being a very good WR in the NFL who, if you believe the hype, gets his future stud QB returning next year. I now own Pettis in all 3 of my dynasty leagues, so I’m all in and even if he only ends up being a solid WR2, that’s more that what I paid for him. Value, baby.I don't see what's not to love about the situation. His only real competition for WR snaps next year (in a Kyle Shanahan offense) is Goodwin and maybe a rookie. The 49ers traded up to get Pettis and when healthy he flashed WR1 potential so he's already shown more NFL ability than this rookie that may or may not get drafted. Speaking of trading up for him, unless they draft this rookie in the first round, they will be investing the same or less draft capital than they invested in Pettis. And even if they draft a rookie, the bust rate is not insignificant as is the rookie learning curve, so Pettis could easily enter the season as the WR1 even if they were to draft the 1st round guy. I can't pretend to know all the draft needs of the 49ers on both sides of the ball, but I think it is safe to say the probability of them drafting a WR with their 1st round pick is less than 50%.
I've been kicking myself for not drafting or trading for Pettis in some leagues because I thought the opportunity to buy was over, but now I'm wondering if I should be sending out offers.
Don't focus too much on the Shanahan offense... I put it in parentheses for a reason, it's just a minor point. The main point is that he's in line to be the WR1 for his team with at least a decent QB. That should be enough to love a situation for a young, promising WR.I have never wanted to pay the “Shanahan premium.” He had great talent to work with in Atlanta. I personally didn’t believe that success would follow him to SF, especially when you have to factor the cost you have to pay to acquire his players. But I’m going to do a deeper dive on Shanahan to see if my ideas are off base.
As for Pettis, do you see TY talent or will he settle in more like Sterling Shepherd? Shepherd is a good player, but another one who Is expendable, when you have a contending team and are facing tough cuts. I see the allure of Pettis more for rebuilders.
Those are best kind of trades. Long run you’ll gain tons of value trading super late current 1sts for undecided future 1stsIn two Zealots Field leagues (one is PPR and one is non-PPR), I made the following trades in the last week:
Z4:
Traded-2018 1.12 rookie pick
Received-2019 1st round rookie pick
I won the championship (with a good team) and he finished 3-10.
Z14:
Traded-2018 1.12 rookie pick
Received-2019 1st round rookie pick
I won the championship (with a good team) and he finished 4-9.
There are always people believing they can fix their teams right away; or they want their candy now instead of better candy later.
Yep, I'm sitting with 1.1 and 1.3 in a medium stakes ($500 buy in) FFPC that I acquired during last years draft for 2.1, 2.4, and Garoppolo.Those are best kind of trades. Long run you’ll gain tons of value trading super late current 1sts for undecided future 1sts