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I'm glad they got him signed. The rotation should be solid again next year.
If the Marlins offer Eovaldi for Alvarez, the Pirates should do the deal in a heartbeat. Find a solid platoon at first (Blanks and ?).I kinda wondered, but not for long, if the Pirates were shopping someone like Pedro as a means to compensate for paying Liriano. Saw this link:
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2014/12/11/pirates-seek-to-move-pedro-alvarez-in-potential-trade/
Not long ago, it would have been ludicrous to trade a promising young slugger in exchange for a 6-14 pitcher. Deal with Boras in an arbitration matter where Alvarez is concerned must be problematic. With Miami upgrading by obtaining Latos, and more talent in the lineup around Stanton, Pedro certainly would be on their radar. Though Eovaldi is going to be 25 in two months, is he equal value if this rumor is for a straight-up swap? We knew Liriano signing was their "top priority," but should the cost extend beyond Liriano's salary to the tune of an unwarranted salary dump----a talented player earning 10 times more than one they'd get in return?
If the Bucs give up on Alvarez, and he finds himself a la Bautista correcting his mechanics in a "change of scenery," what then? It's no secret Seven Springs needs a new ski lift, but come on!
Why would the Marlins want Alvarez? At this point, he's almost identical to Garrett Jones.If the Marlins offer Eovaldi for Alvarez, the Pirates should do the deal in a heartbeat. Find a solid platoon at first (Blanks and ?).I kinda wondered, but not for long, if the Pirates were shopping someone like Pedro as a means to compensate for paying Liriano. Saw this link:
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2014/12/11/pirates-seek-to-move-pedro-alvarez-in-potential-trade/
Not long ago, it would have been ludicrous to trade a promising young slugger in exchange for a 6-14 pitcher. Deal with Boras in an arbitration matter where Alvarez is concerned must be problematic. With Miami upgrading by obtaining Latos, and more talent in the lineup around Stanton, Pedro certainly would be on their radar. Though Eovaldi is going to be 25 in two months, is he equal value if this rumor is for a straight-up swap? We knew Liriano signing was their "top priority," but should the cost extend beyond Liriano's salary to the tune of an unwarranted salary dump----a talented player earning 10 times more than one they'd get in return?
If the Bucs give up on Alvarez, and he finds himself a la Bautista correcting his mechanics in a "change of scenery," what then? It's no secret Seven Springs needs a new ski lift, but come on!
Jones led the NL in HR in 2013?Why would the Marlins want Alvarez? At this point, he's almost identical to Garrett Jones.If the Marlins offer Eovaldi for Alvarez, the Pirates should do the deal in a heartbeat. Find a solid platoon at first (Blanks and ?).I kinda wondered, but not for long, if the Pirates were shopping someone like Pedro as a means to compensate for paying Liriano. Saw this link:
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2014/12/11/pirates-seek-to-move-pedro-alvarez-in-potential-trade/
Not long ago, it would have been ludicrous to trade a promising young slugger in exchange for a 6-14 pitcher. Deal with Boras in an arbitration matter where Alvarez is concerned must be problematic. With Miami upgrading by obtaining Latos, and more talent in the lineup around Stanton, Pedro certainly would be on their radar. Though Eovaldi is going to be 25 in two months, is he equal value if this rumor is for a straight-up swap? We knew Liriano signing was their "top priority," but should the cost extend beyond Liriano's salary to the tune of an unwarranted salary dump----a talented player earning 10 times more than one they'd get in return?
If the Bucs give up on Alvarez, and he finds himself a la Bautista correcting his mechanics in a "change of scenery," what then? It's no secret Seven Springs needs a new ski lift, but come on!
.231/.312/.405Jones led the NL in HR in 2013?Why would the Marlins want Alvarez? At this point, he's almost identical to Garrett Jones.If the Marlins offer Eovaldi for Alvarez, the Pirates should do the deal in a heartbeat. Find a solid platoon at first (Blanks and ?).I kinda wondered, but not for long, if the Pirates were shopping someone like Pedro as a means to compensate for paying Liriano. Saw this link:
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2014/12/11/pirates-seek-to-move-pedro-alvarez-in-potential-trade/
Not long ago, it would have been ludicrous to trade a promising young slugger in exchange for a 6-14 pitcher. Deal with Boras in an arbitration matter where Alvarez is concerned must be problematic. With Miami upgrading by obtaining Latos, and more talent in the lineup around Stanton, Pedro certainly would be on their radar. Though Eovaldi is going to be 25 in two months, is he equal value if this rumor is for a straight-up swap? We knew Liriano signing was their "top priority," but should the cost extend beyond Liriano's salary to the tune of an unwarranted salary dump----a talented player earning 10 times more than one they'd get in return?
If the Bucs give up on Alvarez, and he finds himself a la Bautista correcting his mechanics in a "change of scenery," what then? It's no secret Seven Springs needs a new ski lift, but come on!
I'd take my chances on a rebound from a 27 year old w/ back-to-back 30 HR seasons in 2012-13 and a Silver Slugger on his mantel..231/.312/.405Jones led the NL in HR in 2013?Why would the Marlins want Alvarez? At this point, he's almost identical to Garrett Jones.If the Marlins offer Eovaldi for Alvarez, the Pirates should do the deal in a heartbeat. Find a solid platoon at first (Blanks and ?).I kinda wondered, but not for long, if the Pirates were shopping someone like Pedro as a means to compensate for paying Liriano. Saw this link:
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2014/12/11/pirates-seek-to-move-pedro-alvarez-in-potential-trade/
Not long ago, it would have been ludicrous to trade a promising young slugger in exchange for a 6-14 pitcher. Deal with Boras in an arbitration matter where Alvarez is concerned must be problematic. With Miami upgrading by obtaining Latos, and more talent in the lineup around Stanton, Pedro certainly would be on their radar. Though Eovaldi is going to be 25 in two months, is he equal value if this rumor is for a straight-up swap? We knew Liriano signing was their "top priority," but should the cost extend beyond Liriano's salary to the tune of an unwarranted salary dump----a talented player earning 10 times more than one they'd get in return?
If the Bucs give up on Alvarez, and he finds himself a la Bautista correcting his mechanics in a "change of scenery," what then? It's no secret Seven Springs needs a new ski lift, but come on!
.246/.309/.411
Pick your poisonI'd take my chances on a rebound from a 27 year old w/ back-to-back 30 HR seasons in 2012-13 and a Silver Slugger on his mantel..231/.312/.405Jones led the NL in HR in 2013?Why would the Marlins want Alvarez? At this point, he's almost identical to Garrett Jones.If the Marlins offer Eovaldi for Alvarez, the Pirates should do the deal in a heartbeat. Find a solid platoon at first (Blanks and ?).I kinda wondered, but not for long, if the Pirates were shopping someone like Pedro as a means to compensate for paying Liriano. Saw this link:
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2014/12/11/pirates-seek-to-move-pedro-alvarez-in-potential-trade/
Not long ago, it would have been ludicrous to trade a promising young slugger in exchange for a 6-14 pitcher. Deal with Boras in an arbitration matter where Alvarez is concerned must be problematic. With Miami upgrading by obtaining Latos, and more talent in the lineup around Stanton, Pedro certainly would be on their radar. Though Eovaldi is going to be 25 in two months, is he equal value if this rumor is for a straight-up swap? We knew Liriano signing was their "top priority," but should the cost extend beyond Liriano's salary to the tune of an unwarranted salary dump----a talented player earning 10 times more than one they'd get in return?
If the Bucs give up on Alvarez, and he finds himself a la Bautista correcting his mechanics in a "change of scenery," what then? It's no secret Seven Springs needs a new ski lift, but come on!
.246/.309/.411
Oh, but it does---for both.Pick your poisonI'd take my chances on a rebound from a 27 year old w/ back-to-back 30 HR seasons in 2012-13 and a Silver Slugger on his mantel..231/.312/.405Jones led the NL in HR in 2013?Why would the Marlins want Alvarez? At this point, he's almost identical to Garrett Jones.If the Marlins offer Eovaldi for Alvarez, the Pirates should do the deal in a heartbeat. Find a solid platoon at first (Blanks and ?).I kinda wondered, but not for long, if the Pirates were shopping someone like Pedro as a means to compensate for paying Liriano. Saw this link:
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2014/12/11/pirates-seek-to-move-pedro-alvarez-in-potential-trade/
Not long ago, it would have been ludicrous to trade a promising young slugger in exchange for a 6-14 pitcher. Deal with Boras in an arbitration matter where Alvarez is concerned must be problematic. With Miami upgrading by obtaining Latos, and more talent in the lineup around Stanton, Pedro certainly would be on their radar. Though Eovaldi is going to be 25 in two months, is he equal value if this rumor is for a straight-up swap? We knew Liriano signing was their "top priority," but should the cost extend beyond Liriano's salary to the tune of an unwarranted salary dump----a talented player earning 10 times more than one they'd get in return?
If the Bucs give up on Alvarez, and he finds himself a la Bautista correcting his mechanics in a "change of scenery," what then? It's no secret Seven Springs needs a new ski lift, but come on!
.246/.309/.411
I still don't think this potential trade makes much sense for either team.
The Marlins need Eovaldi in their rotation at least as much as the Pirates do. The Haren situation could change that but I don't think Eovaldi is an excess asset until Fernandez hopefully returns at mid-year.Oh, but it does---for both.Pick your poisonI'd take my chances on a rebound from a 27 year old w/ back-to-back 30 HR seasons in 2012-13 and a Silver Slugger on his mantel..231/.312/.405Jones led the NL in HR in 2013?Why would the Marlins want Alvarez? At this point, he's almost identical to Garrett Jones.If the Marlins offer Eovaldi for Alvarez, the Pirates should do the deal in a heartbeat. Find a solid platoon at first (Blanks and ?).I kinda wondered, but not for long, if the Pirates were shopping someone like Pedro as a means to compensate for paying Liriano. Saw this link:
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2014/12/11/pirates-seek-to-move-pedro-alvarez-in-potential-trade/
Not long ago, it would have been ludicrous to trade a promising young slugger in exchange for a 6-14 pitcher. Deal with Boras in an arbitration matter where Alvarez is concerned must be problematic. With Miami upgrading by obtaining Latos, and more talent in the lineup around Stanton, Pedro certainly would be on their radar. Though Eovaldi is going to be 25 in two months, is he equal value if this rumor is for a straight-up swap? We knew Liriano signing was their "top priority," but should the cost extend beyond Liriano's salary to the tune of an unwarranted salary dump----a talented player earning 10 times more than one they'd get in return?
If the Bucs give up on Alvarez, and he finds himself a la Bautista correcting his mechanics in a "change of scenery," what then? It's no secret Seven Springs needs a new ski lift, but come on!
.246/.309/.411
I still don't think this potential trade makes much sense for either team.
The Marlins need a slugger to bat behind Stanton, and Alvarez's averaged a homer every 20 ABs in his Bucco career. McGahee and Jones are not exactly big power hitters. Jones pales next to Pedro in that regard, and Alvarez is still only 27.
Eovaldi earns less than Pedro, meaning the Pirates could then pay Neil Walker's salary. And if the club is serious about extending Walker and giving him, say, $26 million for 3 years, they could move him to first base sooner or later. Now that they've acquired a cadre of average infielders, shifting Walker is feasible. Eovaldi becomes the new Morton or Worley if either of the latter falters.
Yup I think they need to give him a shot at first and see how it works out.Trading Alvarez would haunt this team imo.
Nice signing. Platoon with Pedro and can play of if needed. It all comes down to his health, obviously that's a big concern.Timmypg said:Pirates signed Corey Hart.
I still like the Cards, but there is no reason the Pirates can't win with the roster they have right now. Neil Huntington has done an excellent job. Solid Major league roster, and still a very good farm system, especially in the pitching department.I think the Buccos are going to win the Central this year
I think being in a platoon might help to keep him healthy.Nice signing. Platoon with Pedro and can play of if needed. It all comes down to his health, obviously that's a big concern.Timmypg said:Pirates signed Corey Hart.
Came to post this. What is it going to take to sign him? Is Mercer gone?Pirates win bid for Kang. I'll post the link before monesson predicts the Bucs offer 3 years at 9 million and then mentions how the Marlins did something better.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/22/the-pirates-win-the-bidding-for-jung-ho-kang/
Keith Law rated him above Cabrera in his list of free agents.Pirates win bid for Kang. I'll post the link before monesson predicts the Bucs offer 3 years at 9 million and then mentions how the Marlins did something better.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/22/the-pirates-win-the-bidding-for-jung-ho-kang/
Found an answerCame to post this. What is it going to take to sign him? Is Mercer gone?Pirates win bid for Kang. I'll post the link before monesson predicts the Bucs offer 3 years at 9 million and then mentions how the Marlins did something better.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/22/the-pirates-win-the-bidding-for-jung-ho-kang/
My guess is he will start as utility bench guy but perhaps he will work his way into the lineup at some point.Leeroy Jenkins said:So will Kang play 3rd, SS, or utility bench guy?
As I understand it, he's hopeful of a contract in the $5-6 million dollar range, which is reasonable, particularly if the team moves Walker or Alvarez to incur Kang's salary. Since the highest paid player in that Korean league earned roughly $1.4 million per year, and the average salary is about $94,000 per year, You know, Kang may take $3 million per year for 3 years. But Ryu got $6 million, I believe.Pirates win bid for Kang. I'll post the link before monesson predicts the Bucs offer 3 years at 9 million and then mentions how the Marlins did something better.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/22/the-pirates-win-the-bidding-for-jung-ho-kang/
It's cool. Man, I should never post in the middle of the night because my brain was in low gear again. Dodgers posted nearly $26 million for Ryu, which makes a $5 million bid to negotiate with Kang both suspicious and successful. What do other teams know about Kang that blunted the effort to land a 27 year-old middle infielder who can hit? Besides, $5-6 million for a starting shortstop is not even the league average, so Kang can clearly be had for a song.I was just ####### with you. The Marlins reference was completely arbitrary.
Let's not do this.It's cool. Man, I should never post in the middle of the night because my brain was in low gear again. Dodgers posted nearly $26 million for Ryu, which makes a $5 million bid to negotiate with Kang both suspicious and successful. What do other teams know about Kang that blunted the effort to land a 27 year-old middle infielder who can hit? Besides, $5-6 million for a starting shortstop is not even the league average, so Kang can clearly be had for a song.I was just ####### with you. The Marlins reference was completely arbitrary.
On the other no-gear brain spasm, it was Prado and David Phelps going to Miami. Jones went to NY. Am glad I didn't state Ken Phelps was traded for Jay Buhner, though it got Costanza hired by Larry David's Steinbrenner.
Corey Hart was fine in April as a DH before his season fell apart. Don't know about a big comeback, but a partial one, given the incentive-laden contract, could be forthcoming. Will be interested in how Sean Rodriguez is used, possibly the new version of the versatile J-Hay
I go way back to the Pirates' amazing 1960 season, and Murtaugh is the first manager I recall. He was a tough cookie, patient but focused . Of the managers in my time as fan, I rate Hurdle #1. Leyland will always be first in the hearts of most fans, and is a genuine person of great integrity. Ray Miller was Leyland's Ray Searage. Harry Walker, who rubbed some stars the wrong way, was underrated and underappreciated, as was Chuck Tanner, because he was expected to win 90+ games per season with the talent he had. Lamont did ok, and am glad McClendon, like Virdon, got a second chance. Except for '97 w/Lamont, has anyone done more with less as Hurdle has?
C CervelliSo what is the projected 25 man assuming Kang signs?