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Republicans are going to say it's more than justified when they do it to Biden. Take a look around.Anything specific you take issue with?
Republicans are going to say it's more than justified when they do it to Biden. Take a look around.Anything specific you take issue with?
Except for the clear lack of anything remotely close to "high crimes or misdemeanors"Republicans are going to say it's more than justified when they do it to Biden. Take a look around.
For what?Republicans are going to say it's more than justified when they do it to Biden. Take a look around.
DittoExcept for the clear lack of anything remotely close to "high crimes or misdemeanors"
Sheer and utter incompetence, not to mention Hunter dealings > firing a staff member, have sex with an intern, phoning Ukraine, speech at a rallyGerald Ford
"high crimes and misdemeanors” should be defined as “whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers them to be at a moment in history."
Huh. Should have impeached Trump a 3rd time then.Ditto
Sheer and utter incompetence, not to mention Hunter dealings > firing a staff member, have sex with an intern, phoning Ukraine, speech at a rally
Sure, maybe, but none of that is what I’m speaking too. The point I’m making is, Trump impeachments valid or not makes no difference. A faction of the GOP want Biden impeachment to happen because “you reap what you sow”. Even if you’re one who believes the Dems weaponized impeachments for political gain wanting your side to do it too makes zero sense. It’s revengeful, spiteful and only drags the country down further. One should never want any of those things for their party.Except the other side did not do a bad thing. Both impeachments were more than justified. You could argue that they were both a waste of time since there was no chance the Republicans would vote country over party, but impeaching Trump was not the "bad behavior" in either case.
The Republicans honestly missed an opportunity with the 2nd impeachment. Trump was already out of office and they could have washed their hands of him and purged him from their brand. The fact that they didn't is telling.
As for Biden, if he is senile and unfit for office I would absolutely support the 25th being invoked if that is what those close to him feel is best. I think Trump's cabinet should have invoked the 25th in the wake of 1/6.
I agree with this.Sure, maybe, but none of that is what I’m speaking too. The point I’m making is, Trump impeachments valid or not makes no difference. A faction of the GOP want Biden impeachment to happen because “you reap what you sow”. Even if you’re one who believes the Dems weaponized impeachments for political gain wanting your side to do it too makes zero sense. It’s revengeful, spiteful and only drags the country down further. One should never want any of those things for their party.
If you need some examples refer to the OP. It's laid out pretty nicely.Huh. Should have impeached Trump a 3rd time then.
Nah. The Constitution has a mechanism for incompetence - the 25th amendment.Ditto
Sheer and utter incompetence, not to mention Hunter dealings > firing a staff member, have sex with an intern, phoning Ukraine, speech at a rally
I have him on ignore and have no desire to reveal an incoherent wall of text or read the 5+ articles he linked.If you need some examples refer to the OP. It's laid out pretty nicely.
But its high valueI have him on ignore and have no desire to reveal an incoherent wall of text or read the 5+ articles he linked.
Oh I know. Im just commenting on how often he claims he is.No, it's not.
The house can and gets to decide that.Nah. The Constitution has a mechanism for incompetence - the 25th amendment.
Incompetence is not a high crime, by any stretch. It's not even a misdemeanor.
Weird you're posting in his thread, explains the not understanding the discussion part though.I have him on ignore and have no desire to reveal an incoherent wall of text or read the 5+ articles he linked.
They do, and I'm quite sure they will. I'm well aware that impeachment is a political act, so I have no doubt it's coming. Doesn't make it right.The house can and gets to decide that.
I'm glad it's finally sinking in.They do, and I'm quite sure they will. I'm well aware that impeachment is a partisan act, so I have no doubt it's coming. Doesn't make it right.
The next time I see country over party from the GOP House will be the first.
I’m not saying that and you’re merely deflecting at this point. You want, to to your point, reward bad behavior with allowing more bad behavior. All under the guise of The other team did the bad thing so we should get to do the bad thing to. Tell me how that move this country forward or makes us better? It doesn’t. It’s scorekeeping for scorekeeping sake. And you know what, you know who the losers are? Us, Because there is no actual scorecard. And the game will never be “equal”.
Believe me, GOP's adherence to party over country became crystal clear to me probably 10 years ago.I'm glad it's finally sinking in.
No it’s not. I’m not keeping score nor claiming a “win” for “my side”. At some point we need to say enough is enough. I can say that now regardless of how hard I did or didn’t fight before. I’m not (nor should anyone be) obligated to wait for 2 more GOP impeachments to try and level some imaginary scoreboard before I can say this is bad for our country. In fact the GOP can win back independents like me by being the ones to bring back normalcy.the same results Democrats got - Biden will forever have it on his record, the US people will see a sitting and impeached President, it'll waste valuable time/resources ........ Democrats did that twice on Trump, if GOP does it only once on Biden the GOP will still be doing better
I DO agree with you - but if you didn't fight hard to stop the silly impeachments on Trump its real hard to take the high road when talking impeachment on Biden.
You’re missing the 12d chess play. After Biden Kamala would also be immediately impeached too, because she was in charge of the border and thus to blame, then the newly named speaker of the house will be installed in the WH. That newly named Speaker? You guessed it…… Ivanka Trump.I can't imagine the Republicans impeaching Biden just to have Kamala Harris take over. That's like going from bad to worse.
Good point. If you get Biden for incompetence you might as well just skip right over Kamala and got to the speaker, who wont be Pelosi anymore.You’re missing the 12d chess play. After Biden Kamala would also be immediately impeached too, because she was in charge of the border and thus to blame, then the newly named speaker of the house will be installed in the WH. That newly named Speaker? You guessed it…… Ivanka Trump.
I can't imagine the Republicans impeaching Biden just to have Kamala Harris take over. That's like going from bad to worse.
No it’s not. I’m not keeping score nor claiming a “win” for “my side”. At some point we need to say enough is enough. I can say that now regardless of how hard I did or didn’t fight before. I’m not (nor should anyone be) obligated to wait for 2 more GOP impeachments to try and level some imaginary scoreboard before I can say this is bad for our country. In fact the GOP can win back independents like me by being the ones to bring back normalcy.
Goose gander.I don't understand why "Democrats did something I don't like" is justification for doing the same thing. If republicans thought that the Trump impeachments were a disgraceful sham, why would they want to the exact same thing? if democrats jumped off a bridge, would republicans do it too?
Only because Harris would then become POTUS.
No. But it will give me a little hope that normalcy can be restoredIf Biden isn't impeached will you really say that Democrats are just scummy for doing what they did and Republicans have a much higher moral ground ?
I mean will it REALLY impact how you view the two parties ?
Both of them were completely appropriate. I have no hope or expectations that the GOP will be "the adults in the room" as one of our posters put it, but I do have hope that their collective hatred of Kamala Harris will stave off the grandstanding impeachment attempts. I will admit that I would sort of like to see what would happen if Republicans made the attempt to impeach on ridiculous grounds, much the same way that it would be cool to witness a giant train wreck.
Except the other side did not do a bad thing. Both impeachments were more than justified. You could argue that they were both a waste of time since there was no chance the Republicans would vote country over party, but impeaching Trump was not the "bad behavior" in either case.
The Republicans honestly missed an opportunity with the 2nd impeachment. Trump was already out of office and they could have washed their hands of him and purged him from their brand. The fact that they didn't is telling.
As for Biden, if he is senile and unfit for office I would absolutely support the 25th being invoked if that is what those close to him feel is best. I think Trump's cabinet should have invoked the 25th in the wake of 1/6.
They don't want Biden gone, and they know he won't be removed. They just want to damage him and don't care about the damage to the country.I can't imagine the Republicans impeaching Biden just to have Kamala Harris take over. That's like going from bad to worse.
I'll never convince you and not trying but my opinion is that Trump tried various ways to overturn the 2020 US presidential election and subsequently attempted to prevent certification that led to the attack of the US Capitol.
If that isn't an impeachable offense I don't know what is. 10 GOP Republicans agreed and certainly Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy should have based on what they said regarding the President's actions up to and during the events of January 6th.
They don't want Biden gone, and they know he won't be removed. They just want to damage him and don't care about the damage to the country.
Harris filling in would be worse for the country at this time.They don't want Biden gone, and they know he won't be removed. They just want to damage him and don't care about the damage to the country.
Ha! Democrats should call Republicans bluff and go ahead and impeach/remove.They don't want Biden gone, and they know he won't be removed. They just want to damage him and don't care about the damage to the country.
After their vote yesterday denying aid for formula I highly doubt it.If babies start dieing for lack of formula you'd get bipartisan and Senate convicted impeachment.
You understand it wasn't "give formula aid yes or no" dont you?After their vote yesterday denying aid for formula I highly doubt it.
Any president from the same party as the house majority. That's it. Actual competence is irrelevant because partisan hacks gonna hack.Pretty low bar for impeachment if we are going for incompetence now. Which president wouldn't get impeached based on those grounds?
Yes, And I’m not saying they should have passed it. But the optics of it are exactly that.You understand it wasn't "give formula aid yes or no" dont you?
Optics for who?Yes, And I’m not saying they should have passed it. But the optics of it are exactly that.
John Q. Public. It’s already been spun everywhere that the nearly 200 house members voted to shot down aid for Formula in a time of need.Optics for who?
That doesnt have anything to do with:John Q. Public. It’s already been spun everywhere that the nearly 200 house members voted to shot down aid for Formula in a time of need.
I suspect that if that prediction came to pass the congresspeople who know what's in the bill could explain the way they voted, both for the bill and impeachment. Your post:If babies start dieing for lack of formula you'd get bipartisan and Senate convicted impeachment.
Makes no sense in that regard.After their vote yesterday denying aid for formula I highly doubt it.
I think where we are differing is in how much we think the average person is engaged in the details. The people who are listening to the explanation you’re say would come are not the people I’m referring too. Most are reading headlines and going about their day imo. I also think politicians are acutely aware of that, especially those that aren’t locked into their seats.That doesnt have anything to do with:
I suspect that if that prediction came to pass the congresspeople who know what's in the bill could explain the way they voted, both for the bill and impeachment. Your post:
Makes no sense in that regard.