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Oppenheimer - New Christopher Nolan movie (2 Viewers)
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They did it for Steve Jobs, who was almost assuredly worse.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if I was on an island. I remember walking out of the theater after Inception and thinking that was the best movie I ever saw or ever will see. That view has been tempered a bit over the passage of time, but it is still top five for me and easily one of the greatest theater experiences I’ve had.
Sand
Footballguy
The thing is, it's arguable. IMO, Nolan is easily the best moviemaker of our generation. Memento, Inception, Dunkirk, and Interstellar are all movies that I consider to be masterpieces. That said, Inception was completely, utterly unique and I was completely blown away by what was presented. The other three just didn't have quite that much of an emotional impact on me, so Inception is a solid #1 over here.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Which is fine and isn't necessarily a knock on the movie. Personally, it takes away from the performance a bit, like a figure skater performing flawlessly on an easier routine. It was a good performance, but didn't wow me like it would had he won our hearts despite the warts. Anyway, I'm interested to hear everyone else's thoughts over the weekend.
Jayrod
Footballguy
My wife and I always look up the reasons for the ratings. We are probably far more conservative than the average people on here.My 18-year old son's first reaction when I told him we were all going to see Oppenheimer next week in 70mm IMAX.
"There's a 15-minute sex scene in it".
Probable Source: TikTok
We have two teenagers (boy-17, girl-14) and don't just let them watch whatever. I'm honestly not sure that my daughter has ever seen a rated R movie.
I was hoping this movie would be OK, but the multiple F-bombs, a couple of gruesome deaths and the nudity means we won't be taking a family outing to see it, unfortunately.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I think it is more like 100,000 gruesome deaths.My wife and I always look up the reasons for the ratings. We are probably far more conservative than the average people on here.My 18-year old son's first reaction when I told him we were all going to see Oppenheimer next week in 70mm IMAX.
"There's a 15-minute sex scene in it".
Probable Source: TikTok
We have two teenagers (boy-17, girl-14) and don't just let them watch whatever. I'm honestly not sure that my daughter has ever seen a rated R movie.
I was hoping this movie would be OK, but the multiple F-bombs, a couple of gruesome deaths and the nudity means we won't be taking a family outing to see it, unfortunately.
nightmare
Footballguy
Just saw it in IMAX. Good movie. I've seen Indy, MI part 1, and the Flash all in Imax.
This was just not that compelling. It's a story you follow but might not get into.
MI part 1 is to long but still good, Indy is good but the time travel thing is played out.
It seems I like the Flash more then most because I liked it just as much as the others.
This was just not that compelling. It's a story you follow but might not get into.
MI part 1 is to long but still good, Indy is good but the time travel thing is played out.
It seems I like the Flash more then most because I liked it just as much as the others.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Kind of weird to have that in this movie, IMO.My 18-year old son's first reaction when I told him we were all going to see Oppenheimer next week in 70mm IMAX.
"There's a 15-minute sex scene in it".
Probable Source: TikTokThere is a sex scene, but not 15 minutes long. Maybe five. There’s also a scene where implied post-coital sitting naked on opposing wingback chairs talking, which is normal, human post-coital behavior.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I did not think the sex scenes were weird to have in it. Oppenheimer was a womanizer. Part of who he was.Kind of weird to have that in this movie, IMO.My 18-year old son's first reaction when I told him we were all going to see Oppenheimer next week in 70mm IMAX.
"There's a 15-minute sex scene in it".
Probable Source: TikTokThere is a sex scene, but not 15 minutes long. Maybe five. There’s also a scene where implied post-coital sitting naked on opposing wingback chairs talking, which is normal, human post-coital behavior.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
The sex in the movie was not 15 minutes, 5 minutes, or anything close to being an issue unless you just can't tolerate sex in a movie at all.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Ditto. I went to that in the theater by myself while my wife and in-laws went to see whatever Twilight movie was playing at the time.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
That’s about where I was too. Excellent movie — best of the century may be a bit too much hype.
Thought it was faithful to book, and did about as good a job as you can in acknowledging the moral issues involved. I may have liked a bit more of the science brought in, but that may have been too hard to really do in a movie like this.
It will definitely be in Best Picture conversation at the end of the year. Killers of the Flower Moon looks like it will be another solid contender. Cillian Murphy was great, but the Oscar will probably go to another random actor who put on 70 pounds for his role.
Psychopav
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Didn't happen. Fake news.
Oh so no full frontal?
massraider
Footballguy
I think it would be weird for people to agree on their favorite Nolan movie.
Music during the sex scene should have been I Melt With You by Modern English. Missed opportunity, that.
Music during the sex scene should have been I Melt With You by Modern English. Missed opportunity, that.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think we generally agree he’s the best filmmaker of the 21st century (let’s say to emerge in the 2000s as Memento was a 2000 movie and put him on the map). Who is 2nd best?
Sorry if I wasn't clear, this excludes QT and PTA who were more of the 90s indie movement. Even though being a similar age to Nolan.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, this excludes QT and PTA who were more of the 90s indie movement. Even though being a similar age to Nolan.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
It’s long but does boring and artsy sound like a Christopher Nolan movie?
It's definitely long. I didnt think it was artsy. Boring is a matter of opinion I guess. I found it riveting.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Definitely long, but neither boring nor artsy. I called it excellent and definitely one that will be in Best Picture discussion, but just said best of the century may be too much.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Tarantino >>>>> Nolan. I can sit down an watch Once Upon a Time in Hollywood or Inglorious Basterds for the millionth time, and each one will fly by like a 22-minute sitcom episode. The prospect of slogging through The Dark Knight again is a non-starter.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Denis Villeneuve?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, even though they are pretty close in age, I tried to phrase the question to exclude QT since he broke out in the 90s and was part of that young Hollywood indie scene.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Probably Cuaron or Inarritu for me.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think we have to accept that while they may try to be accurate in movies like this, that it’s still a Hollywood movie and their most important goal is to sell tickets. Things will be fictionalized to help sell and move the story. Obviously I’m not telling you what to be bothered by or not - and get your point.Which is fine and isn't necessarily a knock on the movie. Personally, it takes away from the performance a bit, like a figure skater performing flawlessly on an easier routine. It was a good performance, but didn't wow me like it would had he won our hearts despite the warts. Anyway, I'm interested to hear everyone else's thoughts over the weekend.
Psychopav
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Nope
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I have tickets for the 12:30 showing. I wonder if it’s too late for a refund?
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Which is fine and I'm not bothered by it. However, they took the easy road to creating a character we root for which affects how I rate the movie and the performance. Murphy's character didn't have a ton of depth and Nolan continuously portrayed him as a likeable guy. Show more depth and have us rooting for him despite his warts, then I'll be impressed.
For those in the 9 and 10 rating camp, what aspect of the movie did you think was done exceptionally well? Drama? Character development? Pacing?
Psychopav
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Couple of things really stood out for me.
The acting was superb imo.
The storytelling was phenomenal. The way he jumped from one timeline to another actually served to tell the story. It wasn't gimicky, it was intrinsic to the way the story unfolded. Very well done.
The themes of power and fear were expertly conveyed, and he did it in two parts brilliantly - the first leading up to the development of the bomb was sweeping and epic, and the second as the hearings unfolded was intimate and personal. Both were jarring, and intense. I'm still processing the impact to me frankly.
I was also impressed with the way he brought us into the story by showing the conflict in Oppenheimer, which was a symbol for the conflict in America itself. We had to build the bomb, but in doing so we ushered in an era of fear and destruction unlike any in history. To a large degree, we as a society are as culpable as Oppenheimer himself. A great example of this was the scene after the bombs were dropped, and the movie ended on the exact same note, pulling it all together.
The movie covered so much that was right and wrong with the 20th century, but it was special in that it did it in a way that was approachable from a truly universal perspective imo. It didn't try to create villains and heroes out of ideologies, but made it clear that we are collectively heroes and we are collectively villains, and within any given ideology there are individuals who make good and bad choices.
I was also impressed with the way the story uses the mythos of the famous scientists of the 20th century to paint its themes, and especially the use of Einstein as a tragic hero himself.
I was also impressed with the way he brought us into the story by showing the conflict in Oppenheimer, which was a symbol for the conflict in America itself. We had to build the bomb, but in doing so we ushered in an era of fear and destruction unlike any in history. To a large degree, we as a society are as culpable as Oppenheimer himself. A great example of this was the scene after the bombs were dropped, and the movie ended on the exact same note, pulling it all together.
The movie covered so much that was right and wrong with the 20th century, but it was special in that it did it in a way that was approachable from a truly universal perspective imo. It didn't try to create villains and heroes out of ideologies, but made it clear that we are collectively heroes and we are collectively villains, and within any given ideology there are individuals who make good and bad choices.
I was also impressed with the way the story uses the mythos of the famous scientists of the 20th century to paint its themes, and especially the use of Einstein as a tragic hero himself.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yeah, but to me you also chose to list a couple of QT's best vs. Nolan's overrated. I would sit through The Prestige and Dunkirk over and over and I like Batman Begins more than Dark Knight. 80s explained his reasoning, but for this specific example I still side with Nolan as QT's quirks irritate me a lot more than Nolan's do - e.g. his propensity for the N word and shlocky violence.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
Nolan always uses time in one form or another to tell his story. It’s like Wes Anderson’s color palette and flat composition.
Psychopav
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I know, and typically I find that the time jumps are almost a character in themselves. I found them used to better effect in this film for whatever reason. Maybe "better" is the wrong word. Maybe it's more seamless. In other films where this happens, it almost seems jarring, like the time jumps pull you out of the story and make you reconsider the circumstances you are or were just viewing, but in this movie it seemed more like they moved the story along almost naturally. Like, I don't know how he would have told such a complex story to such great effect without them.
Psychopav
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Here's a great review that I think hits all the high points and what I left the theater thinking about.
Link
"...the film's furiously entropic tendencies complement the theoretical discussions of the how's and why's of the individual and collective personality. To greater and lesser degrees, all of the characters are appearing before a tribunal and bring called to account for their contradictions, hypocrisies, and sins. The tribunal is out there in the dark. We've been given the information but not told what to decide, which is as it should be."
I would say not just the characters, but we the viewers as well are called to reflect on these aspects or ourselves.
I actually can't wait to see this again...
Link
"...the film's furiously entropic tendencies complement the theoretical discussions of the how's and why's of the individual and collective personality. To greater and lesser degrees, all of the characters are appearing before a tribunal and bring called to account for their contradictions, hypocrisies, and sins. The tribunal is out there in the dark. We've been given the information but not told what to decide, which is as it should be."
I would say not just the characters, but we the viewers as well are called to reflect on these aspects or ourselves.
I actually can't wait to see this again...
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This isn't sounding like my thing, but I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes the perfect combination of filmmaker, cast, and subject matter comes along and it just nails a particular niche that you didn't even know was there. Glad this landed in that spot for you.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I thought they did a good job of making the science simple enough that most people probably got the idea even if they had no idea what he was really talking with the dual nature of light or what deuterium is.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
How come? It’s pretty much exactly made for anyone with an interest in 20th century history. Which I think is right up your alley.
Talked to my dad today. He liked the movie but did complain that it was artsy. Eye of the beholder I guess.
massraider
Footballguy
Well?? Was there, or was there not, scenes shot in black-and-white?
bigbottom
Footballguy
It’s the current favorite according to this site:
96th Academy Awards Odds Tracker
See the odds to win Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Actress and more at the 2024 Oscars. Track the odds movement leading up to the 96th Academy Awards.
www.sportsbettingdime.com
That said, I have a feeling the Killers of the Flower Moon overtakes it with the oddsmakers when it opens in October.
dkp993
Footballguy
We call that “Tuesday“ around our house. My 8yr old is going to pay for college with the $.25 fines she imposes. Lol.
dkp993
Footballguy
Bar none THE best opening scene in movie history. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve just watched that milk scene. Masterful.
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