-OZ-
Footballguy
If I’m his head coach, I’m telling Bryce I’m making him do laps or pay a fine every time he runs and gets hit. (Not really but my point would be made - do NOT get hit out of the pocket)
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Of course he does.
If the guy were 6” taller and 50 lbs heavier he’d be the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck or Peyton.
I hope he doesn’t become a Colt.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There’s still time for him to grow.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The picture of him standing next to Kyler Murray - who looks like a ten year old on the field, yet noticeably bigger than Young - is the most damning thing I’ve seen.
I get that there are outliers now and then - I would hate for my NFL team to take that chance (although they’ve taken Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold when in similar position so…).
I get that there are outliers now and then - I would hate for my NFL team to take that chance (although they’ve taken Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold when in similar position so…).
Birdie048
Footballguy
I think the pics of him next to Nick Saban (who is 5'6") are more damaging to his size. And I think the kid is talented, but I am concerned his size will limit his long term value in NFL.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Jaime Eisner
@JaimeEisner
Bryce Young is the new Co-Favorite to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.
Odds for No. 1 overall pick have moved CONSIDERABLY today at @FDSportsbook:
Bryce Young (-110)
C.J. Stroud (-110)
Anthony Richardson (+1200)
Will Levis (+5000)
@JaimeEisner
Bryce Young is the new Co-Favorite to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.
Odds for No. 1 overall pick have moved CONSIDERABLY today at @FDSportsbook:
Bryce Young (-110)
C.J. Stroud (-110)
Anthony Richardson (+1200)
Will Levis (+5000)
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
FIRST ROUND MOCK
@firstroundmock
As a former NFL Scout - - Find out why Bryce Young has now elevated to QB1 in the 2023 NFL Draft
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>>> LINK to video
@firstroundmock
As a former NFL Scout - - Find out why Bryce Young has now elevated to QB1 in the 2023 NFL Draft
http://firstroundmock.com - - for the entire episode don’t forget to like and subscribe to @theformatpodcast on YouTube.
>>> LINK to video
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Breaking: Vegas loves free money.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Vegas likes money.
Not sure I'm following, how does that help Vegas? If you're saying Stroud is a lock wouldn't everyone be betting on that and pushing that line down?
-OZ-
Footballguy
gotta love these titles “find out why” the best college QB with elite tools and great character (by all indication) who loves the game and works his tail off has a good chance to be the first player selected!Draft day can’t get here soon enough.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
By making Young a favorite it will draw more money to Young
The public bets favorites.
If Stroud is the betting favorite, Vegas stands to lose $.
Why would the public bet Stroud because *I* say he’s a lock? The public is watching the line, not reading my posts.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Except he’s 4’2 and 160 LBs.
Draft day can’t get here soon enough.
I thought you were saying Stroud is a lock and people should be betting on him not that people are reading your posts.
In any case, betting population might be a little dumb but not that dumb, I mean maybe some small bettors may do that but the real money is smarter than that.
Also the latest odds I posted, Stroud is the betting favorite.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was - but that’s my opinion. Why would my opinion influence how people bet in Vegas?
That’s your implication.
They are absolutely 100% led by the nose that dumb. There’s a reason those gigantic hotels are all paid for, and it’s not because generous benefactors who run the casinos donated the money.
The public bets favorites. If too much $ comes in on one, they move the line to influence betting on another.
Sorry - I thought you were echoing the prior post above yours that said Young was now the “co-favorite”
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Can you bet that though?
I mean, I guess you can bet anything if you have the right bookie. lol
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I can't find that head to head prop. Anyone confident that AR goes top 2 can get +2000 each on 1 or 2 at draftkings.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It would be a cool bet if you could wager on the exact order of the top 3 QB. Not necessarily landing spot - just which of them goes 1,2,3.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Except he’s 4’2 and 160 LBs.
Draft day can’t get here soon enough.
that’s why he’s not a stone cold lock
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think every time I reply to this topic I’m going to reduce his size.Except he’s 4’2 and 160 LBs.
Draft day can’t get here soon enough.
I mean, 4’1” & 148 LBs isn’t that small, globally speaking.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Ridiculously high BMI
Calculate Your Body Mass Index
BMI = 43.3
Underweight = <18.5
Normal weight = 18.5–24.9
Overweight = 25–29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
BMI of 43.3 would be classified as:
morbidly obese
Since I view Bryce as the odds on favorite to go 1.1 that would be an easy call for me.
massraider
Footballguy
I still think Stroud, but ONLY because after that trade was made, everyone was saying Stroud. Feels like this latest Young stuff is just smoke, whether to try and get Houston to trade, or just to manufacture suspense. Just a guess on my part.
I think people just jumped on Stroud because of Frank's penchant for bigger QB's but I don't think Frank is the decision maker on this call, he'll have some input but the call is not his to make.
-OZ-
Footballguy
If Reich is a true QB savant they should take AR. Stroud is swinging for a double. But I think that’s what they want here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Seriously tbiccc for a guy who’s 3’9”, 135 LBs
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wow. I can’t see CAR taking Young 1.01 - I would be shocked.
socrates
Footballguy
It is the picture of Young standing beside Bilbo Baggins which has me worried.
Young is easily the best passer in this class. His size makes him a risk.
In a start 1 QB league, the same argument which applies to Anthony Richardson applies to Bryce Young. If he is on the field, he represents great potential fantasy value.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think it’s stroud because when the Panthers OC did that film breakdown series of all the QBs (before the trade up) he was just gushing over Stroud.
He was complimentary of Young, ARich, & Levis, but he was clearly enamored with Stroud.
Imma go with my gut that it’s relevant to their decision at 1.01
I don't think the OC's opinion is going to carry much weight.
I'd start preparing to be shocked.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
L M Eff A O
I was pretty impressed with Stroud’s accuracy comparatively. Young is better off-script though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is my prepared face:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Depends - is he working out or spraying cheese whiz directly into his facehole in this hypothetical?
massraider
Footballguy
I may be proven wrong, but I doubt whoever takes Young wants to see him collecting rushing yardage like Hurts/Fields etc.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I feel the same.
massraider
Footballguy
And that’s the thing. So if we assume Bryce Young will get most of his fantasy points in a traditional passing role, he needs to be Joe Burrow good, Mahomes good.
Richardson can score more, and be a worse passer. Maybe even much worse.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And Stroud is as accurate, but big enough to handle the hits of NFL sized defensive players.
Real life, Young probably gets a much longer window to get on track in the NFL than ARich. Depends on draft investment though for both.
Tough call. I’m still on the fence about 2 Vs 3
Stroud is still QB1 to me for FF & RL. He seems like a super safe pick. And he’s not 3’11”, 138 LBs
socrates
Footballguy
Richardson has the potential to be a fantasy gold mine, but he has to be in the game to score fantasy points. If he is sitting on the bench while he learns to be an NFL passer, he is earning you no fantasy points. Some will point to Trey Lance as an example of this. I would note that the apparent plan with Lance was to give him a "redshirt season, such as Mahomes had, but the year 2 plan was derailed by injury. Anthony Richardson may have more of a Justin Fields trajectory as he develops as an NFL QB, which is pretty good. Fields was QB31 in 2021 and QB11 in 2022, by my league's scoring.
If you look at the list of QB1s over the past two seasons, the majority of those QBs registered most of their fantasy points in a traditional passing role, so I am not sure I agree with your contention that Young will need to be on the same level with Mahomes and Burrow to represent great fantasy value.
I realize some leagues may emphasize rushing value more than my league, but here are the top 12 QBs for each 2021 and 2022 in my long-standing league:
2021
1. Josh Allen
2. Tom Brady
3. Justin Herbert
4. Patrick Mahomes
5. Matthew Stafford
6. Dak Prescott
7. Joe Burrow
8. Aaron Rodgers
9. Kirk Cousins
10. Kyler Murray
11. Jalen Hurts
12. Derek Carr
2022
1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Joe Burrow
4. Jalen Hurts
5. Geno Smith
6. Kirk Cousins
7. Trevor Lawrence
8. Jared Goff
9. Justin Herbert
10. Tom Brady
11. Justin Fields
12. Daniel Jones
massraider
Footballguy
Great post. I was wondering about injuries, and PPG, and when I did weeks 1-10, Fields, Murray, Lamar, Hurts were all top 10.
Now, maybe that points to the notion that these guys get hurt more than pocket guys.
When I looked at your list I was like, excuse me, Kirk Cousins? Weeks 1-13 he was QB15 in my league. Had a monster couple games when no one could trust him.
When you start looking at weekly points, the move last year was to start a running QB all year long (or Mahomes), then start a pocket QB in fantasy playoffs. Goff/Cousins were QB 22/3 weeks 13-17, LOL
socrates
Footballguy
Nice observation.
Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson missed time at the end of the season, and Jalen Hurts missed weeks 16 and 17, so that skewed those end-of-season rankings. (Edit to add that Josh Allen also missed the cancelled game vs. Cinci.)
Despite Richardson's certain use as a runner, I would consider him less of an injury risk than Bryce Young. That size worries me.
massraider
Footballguy
I think a 'mostly' redshirt season would be best. maybe he has a package of plays, maybe he cleans up blowouts, maybe he starts a few games end of the year.
But he has to get some hacks. At some point, your young QB is on the ball training, for every team. Someone talking about two years on the bench, that just isn't realistic.
But he has to get some hacks. At some point, your young QB is on the ball training, for every team. Someone talking about two years on the bench, that just isn't realistic.
socrates
Footballguy
Agreed. When you invest a first round pick in a QB in today's NFL, you don't want him eating up salary from your bench for multiple seasons, although we have seen exactly that happen with Jordan Love (2020 Pick #26). If AR were slated for more than a season of development before being starter ready, he would likely not be a first round pick (see Malik Willis). That is no guarantee that he is successful and stays on a scheduled track (see EJ Manuel/Paxton Lynch/Josh Rosen) or doesn't face an injury which derails his development (see Trey Lance).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
At 3' 9" and 137 lbs, I'd be worried too.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I plan on doing this schtick until he's 1" tall and 1 lb. I'm just sayin. 
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