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Rams acquire #1 pick, Massive haul for Titans (2 Viewers)

massraider said:
I would not be surprised if TEN moves back up in the 1st to grab someone they like.  

Hey, it's a big deal for the Rams, they gave up a lot, but if you don't have a QB, you are just an also-ran.  They were already losing young players to second deals, and they need to put a QB on this team.  

Worth it if Wentz, or Goff is a Pro Bowler.  
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Assuming they pick the right one (or both are pro-bowlers)...

 
massraider said:
The Browns 'screwed the pooch' because someone traded in front of them?  

Yeah, no.  
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That is my opinion, yes. I think they liked Wentz better and thought no one would pull an RG3 trade. They're new guys running the ship haven't been doing well so far and hey, just one man's opinion, I think they thought they could stay put and get Wentz.

 
stbugs said:
That is my opinion, yes. I think they liked Wentz better and thought no one would pull an RG3 trade. They're new guys running the ship haven't been doing well so far and hey, just one man's opinion, I think they thought they could stay put and get Wentz.
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So you think they should have moved up for Wentz?  

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Teams wouldn't be trading for the player Thomas has been. They'd be trading for the guy he is - which is kind of old and really expensive. Absolute zero chance they get a first for him. None.
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Exactly my thought. No disrespect to Thomas, not comparing him to Okung (who I think is not as good as Denver thinks and less than a healthy Clady) or Clady, just saying I see no chance they get a 1st for him. Also, if they take Goff and trade Thomas, they may as well send Goff to the David Carr school of football.

 
I think the NFL has about 5-6 teams who are destined to just be terrible forever.  These massive pays to get the #1 should be done when you know what's at stake, not when some guy half the country was completely unaware of until 3 months ago is there. 

 
stbugs said:
That is my opinion, yes. I think they liked Wentz better and thought no one would pull an RG3 trade. They're new guys running the ship haven't been doing well so far and hey, just one man's opinion, I think they thought they could stay put and get Wentz.
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@JasonLaCanfora  1h1 hour ago
Browns will be happy because their guy has been Goff. Rams are very high on Wentz
As a Browns fan, been saying since day 1 it's Goff too. I just think the media hype "put" Wentz in Cleveland.. 

 
massraider said:
So you think they should have moved up for Wentz?  
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Hmm, I am not sure they would have come close to what the Rams gave up. I am not saying they should have because honestly, I can't believe what the Rams gave up, but that I think they 100% thought no one would give up what the Rams gave up and that they would be pick the QB they wanted without moving.

In hindsight, if they wanted Wentz, then yes they should have traded up. In foresight, I would have agreed with their decision, but I have 0 inside contacts in the Rams/Titans/Eagles/SF/Browns, so I don't know what these teams knew about each other.

 
Browns have said publicly that they aren't trading Thomas, so I think this is a bit boring, really.  Wild speculation based on trade talks from a year ago.  

If the Browns are sitting there at #2, with Wentz or Goff gone, and SF or Philly wants to make a move, and they don't leave the 1st round with wither a franchise QB, or a bunch of picks, they the Moneyball guys shoulf be fired.

Taking an offensive lineman, instead of a bunch of draft picks, or a starting QB is madness.  

Who were the starting left tackles in the Super Bowl this year??  You don't need the best left tackle in the game, you need a good offensive line.  The Browns have Joe Thomas at LT, and people are talking Tunsil?  

Jeebus.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
You have no clue about the value of a Hall of Fame left tackle and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you.
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Kind of an ironic post here.

You take umbrage at me calling your takes weird but then tell me I don't have a clue. Typical Bracie.

 
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Soulfly3 said:
@JasonLaCanfora  1h1 hour ago
Browns will be happy because their guy has been Goff. Rams are very high on Wentz
As a Browns fan, been saying since day 1 it's Goff too. I just think the media hype "put" Wentz in Cleveland.. 
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I guess I'll say OK and I saw his article on it. My only concern for the poor Brown fans is that if Pep Hamilton is the guy who wants Goff, then they're are a bunch of Colts fans who are laughing at you.

 
stbugs said:
Hmm, I am not sure they would have come close to what the Rams gave up. I am not saying they should have because honestly, I can't believe what the Rams gave up, but that I think they 100% thought no one would give up what the Rams gave up and that they would be pick the QB they wanted without moving.

In hindsight, if they wanted Wentz, then yes they should have traded up. In foresight, I would have agreed with their decision, but I have 0 inside contacts in the Rams/Titans/Eagles/SF/Browns, so I don't know what these teams knew about each other.
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I think the Browns either take a QB they like, or trade his rights for a nice draft haul.  That seems like a nice deal, either way.  

We have no idea who the Browns like, the Rams like, and who is gonna work out.  So saying the Browns made some mistake, by doing nothing, is frankly very silly.  

 
Bracie Smathers said:
You have no clue about the value of a Hall of Fame left tackle and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you.
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The fact that he's had a Hall of Fame level career is (mostly) irrelevant. His better days are behind him. Offensive linemen take a beating.

 
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massraider said:
Browns have said publicly that they aren't trading Thomas, so I think this is a bit boring, really.  Wild speculation based on trade talks from a year ago.  

If the Browns are sitting there at #2, with Wentz or Goff gone, and SF or Philly wants to make a move, and they don't leave the 1st round with wither a franchise QB, or a bunch of picks, they the Moneyball guys shoulf be fired.

Taking an offensive lineman, instead of a bunch of draft picks, or a starting QB is madness.  

Who were the starting left tackles in the Super Bowl this year??  You don't need the best left tackle in the game, you need a good offensive line.  The Browns have Joe Thomas at LT, and people are talking Tunsil?  

Jeebus.
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Agree with you on Tunsil, the Browns would be silly to take him. They won't get anywhere with Thomas, Tunsil and RG3, considering they also lost Mack.

 
massraider said:
I think the Browns either take a QB they like, or trade his rights for a nice draft haul.  That seems like a nice deal, either way.  

We have no idea who the Browns like, the Rams like, and who is gonna work out.  So saying the Browns made some mistake, by doing nothing, is frankly very silly.  
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Good point. Until they announce a signing or at least reach out to Wentz, we don't even really know that the Rams aren't taking Goff.

 
Spike said:
Tough?  They must be drooling right about now.
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Yeah, pressure is on to make the "right" pick. All those guys seem like immediate difference makers and studs, but we all know most these guys ceilings never get realized.

Easier decision to make when 2 of your 4 guys are gone.

 
massraider said:
I think the Browns either take a QB they like, or trade his rights for a nice draft haul.  That seems like a nice deal, either way.  

We have no idea who the Browns like, the Rams like, and who is gonna work out.  So saying the Browns made some mistake, by doing nothing, is frankly very silly.  
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Mistake may be a bad word for what I mean. I believe they gambled and lost. They gambled that they didn't need to move up and honestly I would have made that bet as well and lost as well. They'll take Goff and honestly, based on this article:

Wednesday's happenings would appear to fly in the face of what the Browns said previously they had wanted to accomplish with keeping their team intact. New Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown, who is running an NFL team for the first time, said at the NFL scouting combine that it was important to keep part of that core in place.

"We’ve identified the guys that we feel like really can help us and fit within the schemes that we’ll be running," Brown said. "And so it is important for us to keep our own. I think it says something to the locker room when you reward guys that do it the right way and make sure that they understand that being here in Cleveland we want to build through the draft certainly, but we also need to retain our guys when we get to free agency."

Ouch. His next few words were telling.

"And it’s been tough to do that, largely because there’s been so much transition," Brown said. "So we talked to them about the continuity moving forward that we’re aiming for."

They didn't appear to be aiming for 0-for-4.

Added new head coach Hue Jackson at the combine, "We'd love to have them all back.
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I am in the camp that the Browns aren't ready for prime time yet and it wouldn't surprise me if the guy they really wanted is the guy who goes first and if so, that sucks for them.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
The fact that he's had a Hall of Fame level career is (mostly) irrelevant. His better days are behind him. Offensive linemen take a beating.
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Joe Thomas is playing as well as he has ever played and has not dropped off his game.   I have no clue what the Browns will do and no one here knows either.  Tunsil wasn't an option up until a few hours ago and no one should take him off the table for the Browns pick.  If anything they could put him at RT to replace Schwartz for the next four years as Thomas eventually winds down and make the move to the left side as his eventual replacement.  

 
Deranged Hermit said:
Spike said:
Tough?  They must be drooling right about now.
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You're not kidding. IMO, they have the real number one pick in the draft now.
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San Diego is in a great spot. Well, in terms of that pick. In terms of their chances the next few years with Oakland taking a huge step forward and KC/Denver, they are still in a very tough spot. They might be the team least likely to make the playoffs the next five years aside from the Browns.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Joe Thomas is playing as well as he has ever played and has not dropped off his game.   I have no clue what the Browns will do and no one here knows either.  Tunsil wasn't an option up until a few hours ago and no one should take him off the table for the Browns pick.  If anything they could put him at RT to replace Schwartz for the next four years as Thomas eventually winds down and make the move to the left side as his eventual replacement.  
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So you're saying the Browns, who have won absolutely nothing with the best LT of the last decade, would be smart to draft another LT?!?!

 
With a very real possibility that Wentz/Goff go 1/2, people need to really start thinking about Paxton Lynch as  top 10 pick.  

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Joe Thomas is playing as well as he has ever played and has not dropped off his game.   I have no clue what the Browns will do and no one here knows either.  Tunsil wasn't an option up until a few hours ago and no one should take him off the table for the Browns pick.  If anything they could put him at RT to replace Schwartz for the next four years as Thomas eventually winds down and make the move to the left side as his eventual replacement.  
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Well, if they take Tunsil, at least they'll be in the discussion of the top pick/top QB again next year. As well as Schwartz played and as much cap room as they have, they'd have been better off signing him for $6M per season and then having some semblance of an offensive line to protect a QB.

 
spider321 said:
So you're saying the Browns, who have won absolutely nothing with the best LT of the last decade, would be smart to draft another LT?!?!
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Cleveland is in a terrible position. They HAVE to take a QB. They always HAVE to take a QB it seems because they are, apparently, the worst QB talent evaluators in the history of the NFL. Eventually though, even a blind squirrel will find that nut.

 
massraider said:
With a very real possibility that Wentz/Goff go 1/2, people need to really start thinking about Paxton Lynch as  top 10 pick.  
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I'm loving that. No idea if the Panthers are thinking about trading down from 30, but the pick in front of Denver is now a nice spot to be if Lynch is already gone. Heck, I'd love to see Cook somehow picked in front of us, the more QBs the merrier.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Joe Thomas is playing as well as he has ever played and has not dropped off his game.   I have no clue what the Browns will do and no one here knows either.  Tunsil wasn't an option up until a few hours ago and no one should take him off the table for the Browns pick.  If anything they could put him at RT to replace Schwartz for the next four years as Thomas eventually winds down and make the move to the left side as his eventual replacement.  
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I agree with everything you said - my point is/was that they would almost certainly not get a first round pick for a 31 year old OT (even if he hasn't shown signs of slowing down yet, he will) making huge money if they wanted to trade him.

 
Deranged Hermit said:
Cleveland is in a terrible position. They HAVE to take a QB. They always HAVE to take a QB it seems because they are, apparently, the worst QB talent evaluators in the history of the NFL. Eventually though, even a blind squirrel will find that nut.
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If Philly and SF are interested in a QB, and CLE isn't, that's actually a nice position.

 
spider321 said:
So you're saying the Browns, who have won absolutely nothing with the best LT of the last decade, would be smart to draft another LT?!?!
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The draft is about taking the best player.  Do you think taking Joe Thomas, the only left tackle in NFL history to make the Pro Bowl in every one of his 8 seasons was a mistake?  

 
Deranged Hermit said:
Cleveland is in a terrible position. They HAVE to take a QB. They always HAVE to take a QB it seems because they are, apparently, the worst QB talent evaluators in the history of the NFL. Eventually though, even a blind squirrel will find that nut.
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RG3 and Pep Hamilton as OC. What could go wrong? Take Tunsil and that offense with Gordon, oops, Benjamin, oops, Crowell? catching balls for RG3 is a recipe for their true goal, to get the top pick and top QB next year.

 
I don't get this whole CLE is screwed thing.  

How is everyone sure that the Rams are taking the guy they want?  Now, there is only ONE good QB in this draft?  

 
I sure hope the Vikings can get a first round pick for Adrian Peterson. I mean, look how good he's been! He won the rushing title last year!

 
stbugs said:
RG3 and Pep Hamilton as OC. What could go wrong? Take Tunsil and that offense with Gordon, oops, Benjamin, oops, Crowell? catching balls for RG3 is a recipe for their true goal, to get the top pick and top QB next year.
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Kicking around the Browns is very hard to do. Props to you for taking on this difficult task.  

 
Bracie Smathers said:
The draft is about taking the best player.  Do you think taking Joe Thomas, the only left tackle in NFL history to make the Pro Bowl in every one of his 8 seasons was a mistake?  
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Nope, although taking Adrian Peterson would have been way better for their playoff chances. That said, taking Tunsil gets them really no closer to the playoffs. Thomas experienced 0 playoff games and that is due less to his play and more to the Browns ridiculous other 1st round QB picks.

If they don't really like either QB enough, then take Tunsil and tank this year for a top QB next.

 
massraider said:
I don't get this whole CLE is screwed thing.  

How is everyone sure that the Rams are taking the guy they want?  Now, there is only ONE good QB in this draft?  
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They aren't screwed. They have a chance to grab a very good player or trade down. We don't know the Rams are taking who Cleveland wants, only a couple people in the Browns organization really know it.

I do find it interesting how the Browns wanting Goff articles from LaConfora showed up yesterday, before the announcement this morning. Any chance they got wind of the Rams offer and tried to put some spin out there to get the Rams to back off? Up until yesterday all the news had the Browns liking Wentz and most of that was observational from Wentz's pro-day. I like to think I am pretty good at analyzing things and I'm thinking the timing of the Goff/Browns info is very interesting. Rams and Titans had to have this deal done in principle yesterday as well and were likely hot and heavy earlier this week.

Fans will eat the Goff story line up as well. Again, I wouldn't have traded up if I were them as well because until it was announced, I wouldn't have believed a team would give up 2 firsts, 2 seconds and 2 thirds to move up. I just think that article's timing is very interesting.

 
stbugs said:
Nope, although taking Adrian Peterson would have been way better for their playoff chances. That said, taking Tunsil gets them really no closer to the playoffs. Thomas experienced 0 playoff games and that is due less to his play and more to the Browns ridiculous other 1st round QB picks.

If they don't really like either QB enough, then take Tunsil and tank this year for a top QB next.
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I was onto the decreasing value of the RB position long before it became popular.  I did my own studies and saw some of the best RBs of recent years, Ladalian Thomlinson and Adrian Peterson, for as good as they were, made zero impact on their team's ability to make the playoffs let alone win any playoff games.  The decreasing impact of the RB position is well-known now and it has been covered.  Love AdP but Joe Thomas was a much better pick.  He's never missed a snap let alone any games as Adrian has and he's a great guy, no off-field issues that I won't bother to mention about Adrian.  JT isn't the reason why the Browns haven't won but if they had taken AdP and not had JT at left tackle, Adrian Peterson may not have been as wildly productive.   

 
I think for whatever reason people believe the pre-draft rumor they want to believe.

There was talk within the last few weeks that the Browns were open to trade down.  One could argue that this trade means if you ant Wentz or Goff, you HAVE to get to the Browns pick now, and this puts them in a good spot--maybe not as good as TEN, but good.  

 
Damn you would think that the Rams would know better than to get this crazy seeing as how much they benefited from the RG3 trade and how the Redskins still havent recovered completely from that.

 
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