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Fair enough. I wasn't grilling you because I get the sense you're right to a degree; I was just asking almost rhetorically, even.
Honestly, still limited data, but arguably best running back in football in a long, long time.
True. How do we even know they'll get their top QB pick right?
That's just awesome. Mad proper respects to that. I wish I'd had it, and tried to get it through several drafts.True. How do we even know they'll get their top QB pick right?
Meanwhile, the other way it may work out for them is that this year may allow the Eli issue to resolve itself. If they had taken Darnold this year, it might have led to an awkward situation. But after this year, I suspect Eli just retires.
Back to Barkley: I targeted him this year in drafts not just because he's really good, but because I knew that he's one of those guys who's fun to have on your team, which I think is an underrated quality in fantasy. I've actually ended up with quite the Fun-to-Watch All-Stars (Saquon, Mahomes, Tyreek and the Bears D) on one roster. Not only am I 5-0, but I get the pleasure of watching all those guys lay waste to the rest of the league.
Honestly, still limited data, but arguably best running back in football in a long, long time.
1-5. I think you're crazy if you think any coach would have started Darnold over Eli Manning to start the year. Or that Darnold would have beaten out Eli in camp. He didn't look THAT good for the Jets in camp. Their other options just sucked.
The Jets actually got stuck in a contract situation, it seems. It seemed, at least to me, that Teddy Bridgewater beat Darnold out at camp. They never threw over ten yards with Darnold until last week. Just my two cents as a Jets fan.
You're dead right, IMHO. The Jets never would have done that if they had Manning at QB. My personal opinion is that the line is really the problem for the NYG. It seems not only to be expert opinion, but consensus laymen's opinion, too. Barkley is great, and is sabotaged by his own OL.OK, thanks. I didn't follow them that close, but didn't think he set the world on fire in camp. He may end up being a HOF or something. I just think people are fooling themselves if they think Darnold was going to start over Manning in 2018 until at least mid-season. Or after last night.
You want to put a rookie QB behind that line? I suppose that makes sense if you want to go the route of David Carr
This line is a whole different level of bad. There is someone in there on every play with just a 4 man rush.
There are at least 10 worse o-lines. Giants line is actually pretty league average. 19th according to Football outsiders. The Eagles get pressure with 4 a lot, it was a big reason they won the Super Bowl. The same o-line had no trouble giving Eli all the time in the world against Carolina a week ago.
Saquon Barkley is a stud, I don't think anyone has ever questioned that, but the 2018 QB class was probably the 2nd or 3rd best class of the 2000's, and they had their choice of anyone but Mayfield. I, for one, believe they chose incorrectly.
Yeah. Virtually any knowledgeable fan was asking that question. It was like "well, we tried once, so let's try something else".
Rosen or Darnold wouldn't have started a game over Manning yet so it's more likely they are 0-6 than have 2 or 3 wins. You honestly think one of those QB's would've beaten out a Giants' hall of famer, guy who lead them to 2 Super Bowl victories, in training camp.travdogg said:
This is what gets me. I haven't seen a thing from Darnold, Allen, or Rosen to make me believe the Giants missed out on a sure thing. Barkley WAS a sure thing. And looks like he may even be better than advertised. The Giants still need a QB, but maybe someone in this year's draft will impress them more than any of last years' did. A team isn't obligated to draft a QB that they don't think will be a great pro just because they need a quarterback soon. This is why teams are losing first round picks for guys like Paxton Lynch, Brady Quinn, and Jamarcus Russell. Pretty sure they'd all love to trade that pick in for a generational talent like Saquon Barkley.
It is early to write off any of the rookie QBs but I didn't like any of them and thought the Browns should have grabbed the future HOF Barkley. So far, only Mayfield is proving me wrong. Things may change and one of the other QBs may turn out to be good but none of them are going to achieve the greatness that Barkley will. The Giants made the correct move and now have the greatest RB in the NFL to go along with one of the best WRs in the NFL. Once they shore up the oline and find even an average QB, through the draft or FA, they will have an incredible O.
This is the comment of the year. Thanks. I corrected the sic, but the comment stands as is.Dr. Dan said:
Probably Indy at #6. maybe Cleveland at #4, but they really liked Ward, and CB is more valuable than RB.
I am going to assume you haven't watched the Cardinals this year. Rosen has arguably been better than Mayfield(and I'm an unabashed fan of Baker's) when adjusted for difficulty. The Browns should really be 5-0 right now. Mayfield has been an upgrade from Taylor, but Taylor was ok. He moved the offense. Sam Bradford was historically bad, to the point where an incomplete pass was a successful play, they may have had a better offense those first 2 games, if they called zero pass plays, and just ran Johnson up the middle 40 times, because at least they wouldn't end in INT's, sacks, or strip sacks.
Zeke isn't even in the same conversation as Barkley. He's strong and fast but every draft has a guy or two like that. He also runs behind the best line in football. He's never made a run that made me think he was special. Very good, yes. But not special.
Again though it depends on the definition of a franchise QB. It seems to me that term is being watered down these days with the immergence of all the young QB talent. Rosen, Darnold and Allen could easily become the next Bortles or Locker as they are to become the next Brady or Rodgers. More than likely they will fall somewhere in the middle and end up as a Mariotta or Winston. They look like very good QB's but are they difference makers? The NFL is about having difference makers (I'm talking best of the best elite studs) and there aren't many of those guys in the NFL. Barkley appears to be one of them and I don't agree with passing up one of those guys because he's a RB.
Yeah, watch that 50 yard TD. He pulled away from guys who are supposed to be pretty fast. Serious speed.
While I agree the Cowboys have a better line than the Giants, the bolded hasn't been true for some time. The Cowboys don't even have a top-10 line right now.
You can't win without a good team no matter who you are.
Exactly ... They might have picked Mayfield if he was available and last year they tried to trade up for Mahomes. If the right guy was there they would have taken him but these guys had way to many questions marks
He’s doing pretty well this year with Eli. Why do you think next year will be different?
He's leading the NFL in Yards from scrimmage as a rookie and averaging a TD per game with a terrible oline and Eli at QB
What?! Since 2006, both Mannings and Big Ben have won Super Bowls. All were first round picks.
Exactly. Which is why the Colts should trade/release Andrew Luck. The guy has racked up a total of 1 win despite touching the ball every play. Same with the Falcons at Matt Ryan. They paid the dude 130 and they only racked up a total of 1 win. They should've cut him or traded him and blindly drafted the best available QB in the draft.
It doesn’t really matter. Because the answer is no, they would have been foolish to pass up on a talent like Barkley.
It's utterly amazing to see how he juked defenders during 9 yards run. Even more astounding in spite of rebuilt (and decent) OL and Eli's crappy performance. 
