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RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, PIT (3 Viewers)
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zamboni
Footballguy
Some NFL team will overpay for him. Best option is to find someone in your dynasty league who will do the same.
-OZ-
Footballguy
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
At least he’s with a team that knows how to use his talents!!
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
If Ryan is back and they don't make big time skill position upgrades (doubtful at this point), could be a nice fantasy producer again.
No Ridley and now no Gage. Really not a bad deal for him when correctly evaluated as a RB. He seems happy in ATL so good for him
No Ridley and now no Gage. Really not a bad deal for him when correctly evaluated as a RB. He seems happy in ATL so good for him
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sell Mortimer, SELL!
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I've bought a few shares recently for *very* cheap and I'm going to keep buying (where possible). I had a bit of a revelation a month ago after the fog of the hectic 2021 season lifted. In FFPC, he was a league-shifting waiver pickup (and other leagues too of course) that I missed out on. I didn't get him on anything last year.
But the key revelation I had was:
A - *everybody* that has him wants to sell now
B - He got converted to RB in the *software*, not just the football field. Whatever hybrid weapon you wanna call him, they're going to keep using him until his legs fall off. They don't have anything else there. The fact that I can plug that kind of usage into the RB spot is actually a really seismically big deal and I don't think the community has quite grasped that. Perhaps now that he resigned it is more apparent.
C - That means he is supremely undervalued right now. Short term win now play but still.
I am also very curious to see where he goes in redraft. I know BBs are already going I just haven't looked.
But the key revelation I had was:
A - *everybody* that has him wants to sell now
B - He got converted to RB in the *software*, not just the football field. Whatever hybrid weapon you wanna call him, they're going to keep using him until his legs fall off. They don't have anything else there. The fact that I can plug that kind of usage into the RB spot is actually a really seismically big deal and I don't think the community has quite grasped that. Perhaps now that he resigned it is more apparent.
C - That means he is supremely undervalued right now. Short term win now play but still.
I am also very curious to see where he goes in redraft. I know BBs are already going I just haven't looked.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s also 31, which seems like a risky age to get ~160 carries (200+ touches)
I suspect ATL will draft a back or pick up a scrap heap guy.
i agree - he was a league difference maker last year, and getting RB qualification is huge, IF he stays healthy & If he sees the same number of touches.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I expect his usage to be closer to late 2021 than early 2021. But for 3.12, for example, I could use that kind of cheap depth. I don't need 200 touches to make it worth it. If the software changed him back to a WR, I would just pass, but at RB it is too good to pass up.
The counterpoints being:Hot Sauce Guy said:
- his career touches are absurdly low for 9 years in: 268rec + 320att + 257ret = 845 (edit: oops forgot to add returns)
- ATL has absolutely no reason not to run him into the ground (other than season long considerations)
- good call on a scrap heap back signing, Damien Williams, who doesn't seem like much of a threat
- RB has to be a low investment priority for the Falcons
I'm curious why folks are of the opinion that the RB qualification is huge, is it just roster makeup? It seems to me I'd rather have a hybrid guy like CPatt in a WR slot given the lower average ppg of the position.
Cautiously optimistic that he can stay healthy and maintain touch totals given his 2021 experience and an offseason to prepare for more of the same.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
because as a RB he’s a more rare scorer than a WR 4-5-6 type, who are a dime a dozen, don’t get the consistent usage, and are unlikely to score at the same rate.
Its a pretty clear advantage for him to have RB eligibility over slotting him in at WR or flex.
This is what I question. Usage, and scoring. Word is ATL is still shopping Ryan, and that whole offense might go off a cliff in his absence.
that would obviously impact CPat’s scoring, and likely total touches, too.
all that without even mentioning his age/injury risk.
I must be slow today. That's the reasoning I'd use to argue a WR designation being more valuable; ie he'd offer a clear advantage over those WR (3)-4-5-6 types your opponents will be starting. What am I missing?
Fair on the rest; all bets are off if Ryan gets moved for sure.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That for many competing teams they have a WR4 that for some teams would be a WR2, so they'd rather play them at Flex. CPat theoretically offers more value as a RB than a WR, *especially* in PPR format, where his ~50 receptions are in play.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Position scarcity. I can replace WRs pretty easy. RB is much tougher. But it is also sort of a dynasty v redraft question because the scarcity is a bigger deal in redraft. In dynasty I would hope one is strong enough at RB to not need to add someone like CP. But I have some teams I took over as orphans and I mean RB scarcity exists in dynasty as well.
In dynasty I have several teams for example where I am strong enough and deep enough that I just don't have room to roster anyone (unless I consolidate). So I wouldn't want to add CP there even if a deal was super cheap. But that is league specific to FFPC because we cut to 14 position players in 10 days. Deeper leagues I would be adding him for cheap everywhere I can.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I did a little homework last year for redraft and created a cutoff for replacement level players. As a way of assigning weekly points above replacement as it relates to draft position to try to come up with a strategy to maximize efficiency of my picks. It didn't work out for me because I picked a lot of the wrong players but I think my theory was on the right track. Picking the right players, as it turns out, is much more important... next year, I guess I'll have to add necks, acls, hammys and mental health to the matrix to end up not losing my top 4 picks for the year...
2 RB, 2 WR, 2 Flex. PPR league x 12 teams. = 72 RB/WR essentially. Of those, in PPR, there were only 28 or so RBs that made the cut and 44 WRs. Depending on who's projections you look at. And RBs typically miss more time than WRs. Mental health and ACLs notwithstanding.
2 RB, 2 WR, 2 Flex. PPR league x 12 teams. = 72 RB/WR essentially. Of those, in PPR, there were only 28 or so RBs that made the cut and 44 WRs. Depending on who's projections you look at. And RBs typically miss more time than WRs. Mental health and ACLs notwithstanding.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
What’s he worth?
Rockchild
Footballguy
I think his value has gone down from before the draft. I had him valued as an earlyish 3rd before the draft to an early 4th. Not sure if want him in my roster with the latest thoughts on him.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Agree with this as a buyer... but as an owner and contender, I'd need at least a 2nd. It's also likely he's a hold until game 2-3 for anyone contending.
I'm also optimistic that he'll end up in the ball park of last years fantasy point totals.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't see him having much value this year. Forget anything in the past, because it no longer applies. I would rather spend that 3rd on a RB dart throw, because I don't see Patterson in any of my lineups this year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes - last season just seemed like a fluke, and he faded big time down the stretch. I think Allgeire and Damiam Williams should each see more carries than Patterson this season - who will keep a scaled down version of his hybrid role from last season.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I honestly can't say It wasnt a fluke last year. But it also could have been a case where a team finally committed to use Patterson in such a way. New England sort of figured it out 2018 but used him sparingly.
Atlanta perhaps made him a focal point as a matter of necessity. Yet in the offseason did not seriously address the rb issue otherwise. They passed free agents Gordon, Michel, Edmonds, Mostert in favor of giving Damien Williams a little over 1mil; in the draft waited til the 5th round to get a rookie. In my view, these are on par with a Mike Davis. It's not reasonable to say they will relegate Patterson to the 3rd rb option. Altho, It might work out they way.
There's also a reasonable chance he continues his production from last year. I could paint a picture where he does better even. Considering all the possibilities for this year, I still say a 3rd is the right price. That's pretty cheap to pencil in a RB2, albeit for only a year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That's not really what I said though - I said each should each see more carries which is different from saying snaps or touches.
I think it's very reasonable (obviously) that Patterson is third as far as rushing attempts - like I said he wore down bigtime in an extended role and with Mariotta or Ridder under center I expect the team to be very run heavy in 2022.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Makes sense, their WRs are low grade, London should be good, but a rookie. CP can fill that hole in their offense, at least until London gets up to speed at the WR1.
The Frankman
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Stud
probably my best value
probably my best value
-jb-
Footballguy
Sleeper notification states that Scoredarrelle missed his SECOND practice. Didn't know he missed yesterday.
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NFL: Cordarrelle Patterson (knee) out again Thursday
Latest NFL Atlanta Falcons news on Cordarrelle Patterson
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I understand that Patterson's age makes him a tepid dynasty prospect. But in redraft, I was surprised to see how many analysts were advising to sell high on Patterson in week one. I'm not convinced that all of those analysts actually watched the game. Patterson looks huge - Matt Waldman says his listed weight of 220 should read more like 235 or 240, he runs angry, and that line is blocking well.
-jb-
Footballguy
I unfortunately stayed away this year. I was fortunate to get him last year...he was awesome, until he wasn't. His production slowed down significantly in the back half of last season. I'm assuming that hive mind is expecting the same again. He's crushing right now tho.
AND he keeps hitting 20 mph on runs. What's not to like? No catches I guess...
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I don't expect this monstrous output every week, but he sure ending up being a great value at his ADP.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I would not want to be a defensive back trying to tackle Patterson once he gets rolling. He punishes defenders.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Apparently he also punished himself last weekend. :(
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The Frankman
Footballguy
I don't usually post stuff like this, but be careful guys. Alvin Kamara was expected to play but the Saints elevated a practice squad RB just like Atlanta did.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Thanks. I just benched him and cut Irv Smith to pick up Beasley in case Godwin and Jones are both scratches.
