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Retirement. What age is your goal (1 Viewer)

Goal age to retire

  • 40s

    Votes: 9 5.1%
  • 50s

    Votes: 64 36.6%
  • 60s

    Votes: 81 46.3%
  • 70s

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • When I die

    Votes: 15 8.6%
  • Don't work. Live off the government

    Votes: 3 1.7%

  • Total voters
    175
No I'm not. It depends on what you're accumulating. Some are piling up savings. Others are piling up sportscars. I'm saying accumulating sportscars is definitely overrated. And I'm saying sometimes even the sacrifices made for accumulating savings can be overrated. 
For what it's worth, since it was first used in this thread, I have assumed "accumulation phase" is about accumulating retirement savings/security, which I think is what that phase in life is for most people.  Not accumulating boats or sports cars.  I agree with you the latter is ridiculous.

 
Thanks for the link.  I always wondered how to find an estimate of that.

They provide three figures:

At full retirement (67)

At age 70

At early retirement age (62)

I am assuming "At early retirement age (62)" is for anyone who retires before age 67 with benefits beginning in the year that person turns 62, correct?  So, someone who retires at age 50 doesn't get anything from SS for 12 years and then the lowest amount option until they die (roughly as the amount is based on working until then)

 
Others are piling up sportscars. I'm saying accumulating sportscars is definitely overrated. 
Car buying rule.    Want a BMW?  Once your income hits 400k go nuts.  

Even with the insurance check thrown in I can't afford anything over 20k.  It absolutely astounds me what people buy on their incomes.  I know huge numbers of people who buy a car at or above their annual income.

 
 it's projected to run out in 2034 (although benefits would decline at first, not like it would just go to zero immediately).  Are you assuming that there will be fixes implemented to allow it to continue?
I think it's highly likely that the income cap will be eliminated at some point, which should dramatically assist in the longevity of the system.  Hopefully that will go along with reform of SSI, which is the growth driver and also the subject of lots of fraud.

 
Just a cautionary tale. My wife was with the post office for 30 years. She was about 6 years away from her minimum retirement age when she was diagnosed with a rare eye disease. A couple of years later she was forced into FERS Disability retirement. Her ability to retire at 56.5,take the supplemental retirement and FERS annuity vanished. Instead she gets the small disability check that will convert to SS payment at 62. She will also be able to take the FERS annuity at that time. Point of the story is that we thought we had it all figured out. Things change in the blink of an eye (no pun intended).

The other side of this is that we don't know how quickly her vision will deteriorate. We want to live in an RV full time for a few years. I want her to see as much of the country as she can, while she can. I would hate to wait another 10-15 years, only have her not be able to see retirement. Hopefully everything works out and we'll be on the road in 2 years. If I have to work at 65 or 70, I will gladly take that bullet to give her a few years of happiness now. 
God bless. 

My mom was diagnosed with retinitis pigmentosa when she was 45. Degenerative eye disease, her eyes keep getting worse. That was 30 years ago, now she can see maybe 3% of a normal field of view. She's managed, but assuming it's anything similar you're absolutely doing the right thing going seeing everything now, enjoy life. Her life is still good but traveling has lost its appeal. They still do it, but nowhere near as often as we plan to. 

 
Car buying rule.    Want a BMW?  Once your income hits 400k go nuts.  

Even with the insurance check thrown in I can't afford anything over 20k.  It absolutely astounds me what people buy on their incomes.  I know huge numbers of people who buy a car at or above their annual income.
That's insane.

The 10% rule makes sense I guess but if you've saved and want a decent car, I have no problem buying a $25,000 car while making $150,000. 

 
That's insane.

The 10% rule makes sense I guess but if you've saved and want a decent car, I have no problem buying a $25,000 car while making $150,000. 
Yeah - I agree.  IMO 20% is a good number.  The article does kind of point out, by contrast, that most people buy way, way too much car.  Or worse lease them (some 75% of luxury cars on the road are on leases.).  

Just to put in perspective when I got hit and car totaled the guy who was at fault noted that he had almost paid his car off.  It was a 2011 Lexus.  So he either bought it new with a 7 year loan or used with a ~5 year loan.  That's crazy.  I guess he gets to go out now and get himself a new one.

 
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One of the smartest things I did for retirement was not have a car since I moved to Chicago in 1995. Saved a hell of a lot of money because of that choice.

 
The whole "don't buy this car" thing is always weird to me.  People waste their money on all kinds of dumb #### - vacations, drinks, shopping, bigger house than they need.  

I enjoy driving. :shrug:  

 
The whole "don't buy this car" thing is always weird to me.  People waste their money on all kinds of dumb #### - vacations, drinks, shopping, bigger house than they need.  

I enjoy driving. :shrug:  
I'd happily go without a car if I lived in a place like Chicago, DC, NYC, etc. It's not really an option for most places.

 
Even with the insurance check thrown in I can't afford anything over 20k.  It absolutely astounds me what people buy on their incomes.  I know huge numbers of people who buy a car at or above their annual income.
People buy crap they can't afford all the time. I've known couples that rarely see each other because they bought huge homes well beyond their means trying to keep up with the Jones's. I mean like miss your kid's childhood because you are working two jobs or volunteering to go overseas just to not lose it to a foreclosure. The stupidity of seem people is truly astounding. Just ask them how happy that house made them! Car is the same same thing, only on a slightly smaller scale.

 
My God, I am just 18 years old and already survived Cancer(B-Cell Lymphoma) and am now starting college. Retirement age by the time I get there will be 100. 

 
God bless. 

My mom was diagnosed with retinitis pigmentosa when she was 45. Degenerative eye disease, her eyes keep getting worse. That was 30 years ago, now she can see maybe 3% of a normal field of view. She's managed, but assuming it's anything similar you're absolutely doing the right thing going seeing everything now, enjoy life. Her life is still good but traveling has lost its appeal. They still do it, but nowhere near as often as we plan to. 
Idiopathic Juxtafoveal Telangiectasia. The first doctor we saw here locally had never seen an actual case. (only read about it) He referred us to another specialist that had seen it once before. Basically, the blood vessels turn at a right angle and cross in front of the retina, leaving behind scar tissue and blocking vision. It's really random on when and how it will effect her vision. If there's one thing that we both learned from it, is to be happy with what you have. It's the reason we chose to pay off our mortgage when we received an inheritance. It may not have been the shark move, but it was one more thing we didn't have to worry about. We try to live life each day as if nothing is guaranteed. Objects mean very little to us. Money seems insignificant when you can't see what you bought. Life is more about experiences and memories that remain in your mind. 

Sorry for the sappy response. 

 
Did you factor in the ability to invest the money also?  That might make it seem like taking it early is even better than that projection.
Based on doing some simple math for me using current rates and being max, it’s about $24k per year at 62, so you have $120k by 67. The difference in monthly is $800 if you wait till 67 so around 150 months or 14ish years. If you use say 6% investment, the $120k has doubled by year 14, so honestly you might not ever catch up because that $800 might not ever catch up.

If you are investment savvy and can earn 8% on the $120k, you will actually earn $800 per month which means you made beat someone who waited until 67 by $120k.

If you earn less than 8%, technically waiting could catch up but I’m fairly certain I’m going the early route because the catch up time is so far down the road and my wife and kids will be better off if something happens to me.

 
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I'd happily go without a car if I lived in a place like Chicago, DC, NYC, etc. It's not really an option for most places.
It's not necessary to drive in Chicago. But, more importantly, it just isn't fun to drive in Chicago. And it's expensive.

 
I'd happily go without a car if I lived in a place like Chicago, DC, NYC, etc. It's not really an option for most places.
It's not necessary to drive in Chicago. But, more importantly, it just isn't fun to drive in Chicago. And it's expensive.

 
It's not necessary to drive in Chicago. But, more importantly, it just isn't fun to drive in Chicago. And it's expensive.
I certainly got that impression in my few visits. Probably better to rent a car when you want to drive somewhere like vacation. 

I never wanted to live in DC because of the traffic. Opted out of a couple good assignments because of the cost plus traffic. Then I spent some time on the subway and realized it could be just fine. Different, but not all bad.

 
are people actually feeling confident about Social Security being there?
I view this in this way:

I am planning for my retirement as though social security will NOT exist.  

However, I am extremely confident that it will.  My rationale is this:  If SS were to cease to exist, there would be mass panic, mass chaos, mass crime, and basically life as we know it would come to an end.

 
Survivor7700 said:
My God, I am just 18 years old and already survived Cancer(B-Cell Lymphoma) and am now starting college. Retirement age by the time I get there will be 100. 
No it won't, not for you.  If you start saving for retirement now, you might be retiring at 60 while everyone else you know retires at 80, even if they make a lot more money than you.

In 2004 when I graduated and started working as an RN, I really wish someone I trusted slammed me up against a wall and forced me to max out my 403B.  I did not start maxing it out until like 5-6 years ago.  Had I been maxing it out since day 1 I would easily have more than double what I have right now, and I could have probably worked through my 40s, 50s, and 60s going part time rather than full time, ending up in the same spot that I am currently projected to.

 
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I view this in this way:

I am planning for my retirement as though social security will NOT exist.  

However, I am extremely confident that it will.  My rationale is this:  If SS were to cease to exist, there would be mass panic, mass chaos, mass crime, and basically life as we know it would come to an end.
Same.

But I'm far from confident that we'll get SS. It's plausible that it becomes means tested or other federal income is subtracted from SS. I would hope not, and there will be political pain if it does, but who knows? By the time I retire for real, I'll have two federal pensions worth over $65k (in today's dollars), VA benefits (another $17k now), and more than $2 million invested. We won't need SS, frankly we'll probably just give that money to charities or grandkids.

 
I view this in this way:

I am planning for my retirement as though social security will NOT exist.  

However, I am extremely confident that it will.  My rationale is this:  If SS were to cease to exist, there would be mass panic, mass chaos, mass crime, and basically life as we know it would come to an end.
Yep, there are a lot of people who have no other retirement plan.

 
No it won't, not for you.  If you start saving for retirement now, you might be retiring at 60 while everyone else you know retires at 80, even if they make a lot more money than you.

In 2004 when I graduated and started working as an RN, I really wish someone I trusted slammed me up against a wall and forced me to max out my 403B.  I did not start maxing it out until like 5-6 years ago.  Had I been maxing it out since day 1 I would easily have more than double what I have right now, and I could have probably worked through my 40s, 50s, and 60s going part time rather than full time, ending up in the same spot that I am currently projected to.
So what percentage of your check once you get a career job do you suggest to put away in the 403b or 401k?

 
So what percentage of your check once you get a career job do you suggest to put away in the 403b or 401k?
The max allowed. Learn to live off the rest. At least in the beginning.

Good habit to get into and helps you live within your means. And the power of compounding can work its wonders early on.

 
The max allowed. Learn to live off the rest. At least in the beginning.

Good habit to get into and helps you live within your means. And the power of compounding can work its wonders early on.
Within reason. Make sure you get every penny of the match, but don’t build up CC debt because you are maxing ou the 401k. The match is a 50-100% return usually, but CC debt is 20% type losses. Also, once it’s in the 401k it’s locked up outside of loans (only work if at same job and plan - can be required to pay back immediately if switch) or taxed and penalized.

Great to get started early and watch the spending but don’t max out and lose every bit of financial flexibility. Don’t forget that tax advantages may be minimal right now so early in the career. Could be setting him up to pay more in taxes when retired than today.

I know my son works part time and I setup the 401k because of matching but he barely pays taxes while he’s in high school. If no matching then a regular investment account might be better by paying capital gains taxes down the road. 

 
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Depends how much you make, but like the other guy said, put in the max allowable.  If you make 30 grand that would be tough, but do it anyway and just work more for a little while 
Thank You, like I said I just started college but am leaning towards getting an RN Degree as well. 

 
I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone should put away as much as they're allowed. But certainly, max out any employer match. Put away a set amount every month and don't run up credit card debt to make the difference.

 
I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone should put away as much as they're allowed. But certainly, max out any employer match. Put away a set amount every month and don't run up credit card debt to make the difference.
My parents have taught me the not running up credit card debt by example so I am good there.

 
Was always 55 - then ride it out as long as it was fun and accumulate more savings.  

At 55 and a half, got caught in a big layoff and left. 

If I wanted to move to Baton Rouge or New Orleans I could have continued working.  Wife didn't want to, I didn't really want to, and the didn't want to pull the kids out of their friends/school (but the kids were not a big part of the decision).

Really happy I did it - it will be 5 years this October.  No way I would be good to work for anyone after 5 years of not having to do anything but picking up my daughter at school a few days a week.  
BR or Nola????

 
Depends how much you make, but like the other guy said, put in the max allowable.  If you make 30 grand that would be tough, but do it anyway and just work more for a little while 
Yep - at low income levels that money can mean a lot.  I've always liked the idea of starting out at 10% and upping it 1% every year when a raise comes in.  It softens the blow a bit.

The whole "don't buy this car" thing is always weird to me.  People waste their money on all kinds of dumb #### - vacations, drinks, shopping, bigger house than they need.  

I enjoy driving. :shrug:  
Don't know much about Kiyosaki, but his quote "spend lavishly on the things that matter to you and brutally cut the rest" is great advice.  For me after my wreck the car mattered little.  Now, if the bike inside was hurt I was gonna be pissed.  It's always a trade between pleasure now or pleasure later and what you care about.

 
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Survivor7700 said:
My God, I am just 18 years old and already survived Cancer(B-Cell Lymphoma) and am now starting college. Retirement age by the time I get there will be 100. 
Start saving now.

 
Right now I just started at a Community College and am getting the Pre-Requisites out of the way. That is a great idea.
Where I work, a part time employee gets a tuition reimbursement of $3,000 per year for undergrad (double that if you work full time).

So if you work hard for a few years at your age, by the time you graduate you won't have much or any student loan debt, might even have some money in the bank, and will be 21-22 years old making 50-60 thousand a year right away (and that is if you just work normal hours, there is ALWAYS overtime to be had as a nurse).

Edit...and to add, a nursing degree from a community college gets you the same job as a nursing degree from the most expensive schools, and it pays the same.  Food for though.  

 
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No I'm not. It depends on what you're accumulating. Some are piling up savings. Others are piling up sportscars. I'm saying accumulating sportscars is definitely overrated. And I'm saying sometimes even the sacrifices made for accumulating savings can be overrated. 
Then just say that and don't use a phrase with a completely different definition.  

 
When thinking about "what age will you retire" I think also of "what do I plan to do in retirement".

My plans are to travel the USA .. A LOT! ... Wife and I decided long ago that we will be buying a Class B RV.
Since I can work wherever I can get Internet Service, we will probably start looking at purchasing it within the next 5 years and start traveling well before I will officially retire.

I have one Trip already planned out for when I am fully retired.

Head to the Canada border of Glacier National Park around Labor Day and chase the Fall colors from there to Arizona.

Planning on a 3 to 4 month adventure with side trips off that track.. Figure camp somewhere for a week or two, :drive: south to a certain point, camp, repeat..

 
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Kind of on topic, but what are people's expectations for minimum needed annual income assuming that the house is paid.  So we'll have to cover real estate taxes, healthcare, car payment, misc bills.

I'm thinking that $5k in cash per month minimum would make for pretty stress free retirement with decent spending money.  Now if you want to really travel a lot and help the kids, etc, you'll probably need double that to be safe.

Thoughts?

 
Kind of on topic, but what are people's expectations for minimum needed annual income assuming that the house is paid.  So we'll have to cover real estate taxes, healthcare, car payment, misc bills.

I'm thinking that $5k in cash per month minimum would make for pretty stress free retirement with decent spending money.  Now if you want to really travel a lot and help the kids, etc, you'll probably need double that to be safe.

Thoughts?
Very individual.  There is no one good answer.  

 
Kind of on topic, but what are people's expectations for minimum needed annual income assuming that the house is paid.  So we'll have to cover real estate taxes, healthcare, car payment, misc bills.

I'm thinking that $5k in cash per month minimum would make for pretty stress free retirement with decent spending money.  Now if you want to really travel a lot and help the kids, etc, you'll probably need double that to be safe.

Thoughts?
Plan is no House payment and NO car payments..

Daughter graduates college May 2019 and is getting married September 2019... It is nice to know that those two BIG expenses will be over and down with next year.

I turn 51 in this December and can start increasing the amount of money I put in my ROTH IRA, and other investments after the wedding. :moneybag:

 
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Plan is no House payment and NO car payments..

Daughter graduates college May 2019 and is getting married September 2019... It is nice to know that those two BIG expenses will be over and down with next year.

I turn 51 in this December and can start increasing the amount of money I put in my ROTH IRA, and other investments after the wedding. :moneybag:
If you don't have car payments at some point in time a new car will be needed and it's either payments or using some of the nest egg. 

 
Where I work, a part time employee gets a tuition reimbursement of $3,000 per year for undergrad (double that if you work full time).

So if you work hard for a few years at your age, by the time you graduate you won't have much or any student loan debt, might even have some money in the bank, and will be 21-22 years old making 50-60 thousand a year right away (and that is if you just work normal hours, there is ALWAYS overtime to be had as a nurse).

Edit...and to add, a nursing degree from a community college gets you the same job as a nursing degree from the most expensive schools, and it pays the same.  Food for though.  
I am attending a Community College right now and the school is a very good one for Nursing so that is probably the way I would go. I will start looking at Aide positions at the local hospital in my area. Thank you so much.

 
If you don't have car payments at some point in time a new car will be needed and it's either payments or using some of the nest egg. 
Perhaps. Depends really. As I mentioned above, I work from home and my wife is already retired. We put perhaps 3k a year on our two cars COMBINED. Once I'm retired, that could drop even more. Cars could easily last 20 years or more.

 
Very individual.  There is no one good answer.  
Between healthcare, kids spending and potentially downsizing house all causing  change in future spend,  I have a tough time even answering for my situation. 

I have looked back on the past 2 years and looked how we've been spending to get a feel for how we actually live rather than hypothetical. 

 
Kind of on topic, but what are people's expectations for minimum needed annual income assuming that the house is paid.  So we'll have to cover real estate taxes, healthcare, car payment, misc bills.

I'm thinking that $5k in cash per month minimum would make for pretty stress free retirement with decent spending money.  Now if you want to really travel a lot and help the kids, etc, you'll probably need double that to be safe.

Thoughts?
Start with your current lifestyle and spending as a baseline.

Using that number, eliminate what you will no longer spend on and add additional expenses that you may have to be safe. Assuming current lifestyle is safest.

This answer will be different for every person here. 

 

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