Jerry Curl
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He will be a third down role player when Ball comes back.
lol keep saying that. Your post on page one was enlighteningHe will be a third down role player when Ball comes back.
You're a better man than I, BojangCouldn't being happier about cutting bait on Ball in the few leagues I was unfortunate enough to have him "slip" to me in the 2nd. GL Hillman, god speed.
Frustrating night. If he had gotten one of those short tds, all would have been forgotten.Manning fell down on his goal line carry in the first quarter
He stepped out at the 3 on what should've been a TD reception
He had a long TD run called back
And he had 2 goal line TDs vultured because they handed it to the fullback instead
Nice game, but man this could've been a monster game.
Extremely encouraging though - he looks awesome and he's protected Manning well.
Frustrating, but you gotta be happy with how good he looks. Couldn't be happier to have gotten him in both my big leagues.Frustrating night. If he had gotten one of those short tds, all would have been forgotten.Manning fell down on his goal line carry in the first quarter
He stepped out at the 3 on what should've been a TD reception
He had a long TD run called back
And he had 2 goal line TDs vultured because they handed it to the fullback instead
Nice game, but man this could've been a monster game.
Extremely encouraging though - he looks awesome and he's protected Manning well.
Agreed to all. Hillman continues to look good; three games now of solid work. He's a tad younger than Ball, is quicker and more fleet of foot, and has put on 15 lbs. compared to his rookie year, so he's stronger yet didn't sacrifice much by way of quickness.Frustrating, but you gotta be happy with how good he looks. Couldn't be happier to have gotten him in both my big leagues.Frustrating night. If he had gotten one of those short tds, all would have been forgotten.Manning fell down on his goal line carry in the first quarter
He stepped out at the 3 on what should've been a TD reception
He had a long TD run called back
And he had 2 goal line TDs vultured because they handed it to the fullback instead
Nice game, but man this could've been a monster game.
Extremely encouraging though - he looks awesome and he's protected Manning well.
That said, stupid Peyton still throwing the ball is keeping me from my 100 yard bonus...
What in the world makes you think that?He will be a third down role player when Ball comes back.
he owns ballWhat in the world makes you think that?He will be a third down role player when Ball comes back.
So do I, but I also have eyeballs.he owns ballWhat in the world makes you think that?He will be a third down role player when Ball comes back.
Ronnie Hillman - RB - Broncos
Ronnie Hillman rushed 20 times for 109 yards in the Broncos' Week 8 win over the Chargers, catching 3-of-4 targets for an additional 29 yards.
The 138 yards from scrimmage were Hillman's most in his three games as starter, but it's his amazingly-bad touchdown luck that will have owners talking on Friday. Hillman had five potential scores wiped away by happenstance and shenanigans. In no particular order, Hillman: Lost a touchdown by stepping out of bounds, had a score wiped out by holding, lost a shot at a goal-line carry thanks to a botched snap and watched Juwan Thompson vulture not one, but two TDs. The good news, if you want to look at it that way, is that Hillman was in position for so many touchdowns, and continues to run circles around the work Montee Ball did before going down with a groin injury. Ball will have a role when he returns, but it's getting harder to believe it won't be as Hillman's caddie.
Oct 23 - 11:56 PM
He definitely looked like he got dinged up near the end-of-the-game...kid looked legit last night...real fast...his owners have to be very happy with what they saw...could be a real difference-maker going forward...I heard there is an APB out on CJ Anderson right now...Did Hillman look gimpy after his last carry?
Come on, you know that all this stuff is a crap shoot, right? It would be pretty boring if everything was predictable. Just don't put any serious money down and enjoy it.really appreciate Cecil and Bloom pimping CJ Anderson when Ball went down.
Is this LHUCKS new name?He will be a third down role player when Ball comes back.
Not sure that's true.really appreciate Cecil and Bloom pimping CJ Anderson when Ball went down.
It's true. Even last week they were stating Anderson is the best RB of the bunchNot sure that's true.really appreciate Cecil and Bloom pimping CJ Anderson when Ball went down.
Including the Chargers which is probably why they did it. Not sure they are going to be able to keep going to that FB dive play consistently going forward, it's just one more thing for defenses to think about and will open up things a bit more for other players in that situation.They liked CJ, but the Broncos liked Hillman is pretty much what they said. Hillman has played great, but the shenanigans at the goal line last night are probably a big reason as to why they said it. And nobody had a clue that John Fox would suddenly start using a rookie RB at the goal line.
The Denver O line still doesn't zone block right. Leaks happen way to often, and too quickly, breaking up runs in the backfield before it develops.couldn't have been more wrong on him, he is a perfect fit for the Denver offense.
Well, not if he is just replacing your busted 1st/2nd round draft pick Montee Ball in which case he is taking you back to square one and hopefully helping salvage your season.fantasycurse42 said:I look at the TD situation like this:
Hillman's floor appears to be in the mid-high teens with no TDs - When he hits paydirt he gets you in the 20's... This is why I started this thread, 17-25 from your flex on a WW pickup is part of the FF Championship formula.
If you are replacing Ball, after his first four games, you should be pretty happy with what you are now seeing. This is what you were hoping from with Ball.Well, not if he is just replacing your busted 1st/2nd round draft pick Montee Ball in which case he is taking you back to square one and hopefully helping salvage your season.fantasycurse42 said:I look at the TD situation like this:
Hillman's floor appears to be in the mid-high teens with no TDs - When he hits paydirt he gets you in the 20's... This is why I started this thread, 17-25 from your flex on a WW pickup is part of the FF Championship formula.
Absolutely agree. Now the hope is that Ball doesn't come back and #### everything up, which I consider to be a distinct possibility.If you are replacing Ball, after his first four games, you should be pretty happy with what you are now seeing. This is what you were hoping from with Ball.Well, not if he is just replacing your busted 1st/2nd round draft pick Montee Ball in which case he is taking you back to square one and hopefully helping salvage your season.fantasycurse42 said:I look at the TD situation like this:
Hillman's floor appears to be in the mid-high teens with no TDs - When he hits paydirt he gets you in the 20's... This is why I started this thread, 17-25 from your flex on a WW pickup is part of the FF Championship formula.
I agree, but if he looks like he did previously, I think it won't take more than a week or two and he'll be in the backseat.Absolutely agree. Now the hope is that Ball doesn't come back and #### everything up, which I consider to be a distinct possibility.If you are replacing Ball, after his first four games, you should be pretty happy with what you are now seeing. This is what you were hoping from with Ball.Well, not if he is just replacing your busted 1st/2nd round draft pick Montee Ball in which case he is taking you back to square one and hopefully helping salvage your season.fantasycurse42 said:I look at the TD situation like this:
Hillman's floor appears to be in the mid-high teens with no TDs - When he hits paydirt he gets you in the 20's... This is why I started this thread, 17-25 from your flex on a WW pickup is part of the FF Championship formula.
I think that it's getting to the point that if Hillman gets two more starts with Ball out [SIZE=14.2857141494751px](maybe he can do it with one) [/SIZE]and continues to play at this level the Broncos may declare him as the starter the rest of the way. Ball will still get a decent workload at that point but Hillman would be the primary, and crunchtime, back.I agree, but if he looks like he did previously, I think it won't take more than a week or two and he'll be in the backseat.Absolutely agree. Now the hope is that Ball doesn't come back and #### everything up, which I consider to be a distinct possibility.If you are replacing Ball, after his first four games, you should be pretty happy with what you are now seeing. This is what you were hoping from with Ball.Well, not if he is just replacing your busted 1st/2nd round draft pick Montee Ball in which case he is taking you back to square one and hopefully helping salvage your season.fantasycurse42 said:I look at the TD situation like this:
Hillman's floor appears to be in the mid-high teens with no TDs - When he hits paydirt he gets you in the 20's... This is why I started this thread, 17-25 from your flex on a WW pickup is part of the FF Championship formula.
As of now, I can't see worse than a time-split when he comes back, and honestly that would be mildly surprising.
Hillman's insertion into the lineup also perfectly aligns with Thomas reportedly getting fully past his foot injury early this season. Mentioned on the broadcast last night...It's also worth noticing that Hillman appears to open things up for Demaryius Thomas. Since Hillman started getting significant touches, Thomas is averaging over 170 yards and over 1.5 TDs per game.
The defense simply can't key on Thomas's close to the LOS receptions with Hillman's receiving threat. When Thomas has any space at all after the catch, he's going to destroy the defense.
Maybe it's just me, but it sure does look like Ronnie Hillman is playing like a man who thinks Montee Ball should keep catching pine once he's healthy. Hillman looks very fast through the hole and has more "make you miss" on the second level than Ball has.
I would say if Hillman keeps this up (which I have honestly been shocked by as I was burned by ol' Ronnie a whole, whole bunch in the past), then he's probably going to keep a big, big piece of the pie. This could easily pan out as Hillman is the back to get the lead (primary running and passing down guy) with Ball as the goalline vulture and kill-the-clock carries.I think that it's getting to the point that if Hillman gets two more starts with Ball out [SIZE=14.28px](maybe he can do it with one) [/SIZE]and continues to play at this level the Broncos may declare him as the starter the rest of the way. Ball will still get a decent workload at that point but Hillman would be the primary, and crunchtime, back.
That is the best case scenario for Hillman owners. Unfortunately I think it is almost a lock that he will be vultured a ton around the goal line. He'll still get his but double digit TDs don't appear to be in his future.
Agreed - and I'd love to see a weight on him (not a listed weight, but someone actually see him step on the scale). He still doesn't look huge, but you don't need to be with that kind of juice. The biggest hesitation from me with Hillman before was that he was literally too small... no question about it, he was just little. There were reports his rookie year that he was down in the 170s by the end of the season and that the S&C staff was doing everything they could to keep weight on his frame.Hillman looks very good. He literally looks like a different runner, more explosiveness, better leg drive and the ability to move the pile. Hillman deserves to be the starter, no doubt.
He is listed at 5'10", 195 now. For reference, Jamaal Charles is 5'11" - 199, and McCoy is 5'11" and 208.If that's changed and he's a legit 195 at 5'9", I totally buy in to him as a feature back. He's clearly proving he is right now, regardless of what the weight is. I'm just curious if they finally found a way to keep it on him.
I know what he's listed as... Denard Robinson is listed at 6'0" 197 despite measuring 5'10" 199 at the combine and numerous reports this spring that he weighs 212+ now. Listed height/weight don't mean much in my book.He is listed at 5'10", 195 now. For reference, Jamaal Charles is 5'11" - 199, and McCoy is 5'11" and 208.If that's changed and he's a legit 195 at 5'9", I totally buy in to him as a feature back. He's clearly proving he is right now, regardless of what the weight is. I'm just curious if they finally found a way to keep it on him.
Hillman looks notably stronger and bigger than last year, I was a moreno owner last year and watched every Denver game. I always remeber thinking that Hillman looked so tiny. He has beefed up and it is paying big dividends i think, extra strenght is alsoprobably helping him with fumbling issues.
Holding for the reasons I stated above. I own Ball as well... I think Manning plays another year, and I want a piece of a Peyton Manning backfield.Main question that I have is......will Hillman be the guy NEXT year, if he indeed keeps the job for the rest of this year? Wonder what dynasty owners are doing with him......are they holding or are they selling high?
Music to a Hillman owner's ears.The Denver Post believes the Broncos will be "hard pressed" to turn back to Montee Ball (groin) as their lead running back when healthy.
We don't think it's likely at all. Ronnie Hillman has given Denver's offense an entirely new dimension with big-play ability on outside runs, whereas Ball struggled mightily when he was asked to move laterally. Ball was effective in a change-of-pace role behind Knowshon Moreno down the stretch last season. That may be his role upon return. Although he is being pulled on goal-line runs, Hillman has a chance to provide borderline RB1 value the rest of the way.
Well you have been spot on since your first post in this thread, so please let me know when you're buying... That way I can make my decision as well.Why didnt anyone ever notice this greatness of Hillman before this little stretch? Maybe he is just the beneficiary of circumstance, at least that is what I believe. He is fast so I love that about him, but if he can continue to do it over the course of the year and Ball isnt a factor, I will buy. This is the same offense that made Moreno a star last year after rising from the dead.
He's always flashed potential but developed trust issues when he kept fumbling the ball. Perhaps his recent improvements in ball protection have given him the opportunity he needed.Why didnt anyone ever notice this greatness of Hillman before this little stretch? Maybe he is just the beneficiary of circumstance, at least that is what I believe. He is fast so I love that about him, but if he can continue to do it over the course of the year and Ball isnt a factor, I will buy. This is the same offense that made Moreno a star last year after rising from the dead.