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Royals/Angels Thread. (5 Viewers)

Not even out of the first and Tim's already praying that the Halos can at least get this thing to overtime.

 
I don't have a single explanation for the collapse of the Angels. They scored the most runs in the American league, now they can't hit. They had the best record in all of baseball, now they're about to be swept. People always talk about baseball teams that are "built for the playoffs" and the Angels were. They've had their share of injuries, but that's no excuse because everyone has injuries.

Whatever the reason, it's incredibly frustrating, but hats off to the Royals and I hope they go all the way.

 
timschochet said:
I don't have a single explanation for the collapse of the Angels. They scored the most runs in the American league, now they can't hit. They had the best record in all of baseball, now they're about to be swept. People always talk about baseball teams that are "built for the playoffs" and the Angels were. They've had their share of injuries, but that's no excuse because everyone has injuries.

Whatever the reason, it's incredibly frustrating, but hats off to the Royals and I hope they go all the way.
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With that rotation? Strongly, strongly disagree.

 
Hilts said:
timschochet said:
I don't have a single explanation for the collapse of the Angels. They scored the most runs in the American league, now they can't hit. They had the best record in all of baseball, now they're about to be swept. People always talk about baseball teams that are "built for the playoffs" and the Angels were. They've had their share of injuries, but that's no excuse because everyone has injuries.

Whatever the reason, it's incredibly frustrating, but hats off to the Royals and I hope they go all the way.
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With that rotation? Strongly, strongly disagree.
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The rotation, going into August, was Weaver, Richards, and Shoemaker, with Wilson in the 4th spot. That's not bad at all on paper.

 
Hilts said:
timschochet said:
I don't have a single explanation for the collapse of the Angels. They scored the most runs in the American league, now they can't hit. They had the best record in all of baseball, now they're about to be swept. People always talk about baseball teams that are "built for the playoffs" and the Angels were. They've had their share of injuries, but that's no excuse because everyone has injuries.

Whatever the reason, it's incredibly frustrating, but hats off to the Royals and I hope they go all the way.
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With that rotation? Strongly, strongly disagree.
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:goodposting:

This year's Angels were like every Yankee team from 2001-2006. Dominated the regular season, typically winning 100 or more games, bludgeon the ball, and then get into the playoffs and you have like 1 good starter and an overworked back end of the bullpen.

And then the offense all shockingly forgetting how to hit at the same time. I'll never understand 2006 as long as I live.

 
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I know we're all watching the game, but that stat they flashed on-screen last inning was only there for like 2 seconds.

Apparently, Herrera/Davis/Holland have pitched in the same game 25 times this season. They held opponnets completely scoreless 21 of those 25 times. Nuts.

 
timschochet said:
Hilts said:
timschochet said:
I don't have a single explanation for the collapse of the Angels. They scored the most runs in the American league, now they can't hit. They had the best record in all of baseball, now they're about to be swept. People always talk about baseball teams that are "built for the playoffs" and the Angels were. They've had their share of injuries, but that's no excuse because everyone has injuries.

Whatever the reason, it's incredibly frustrating, but hats off to the Royals and I hope they go all the way.
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With that rotation? Strongly, strongly disagree.
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The rotation, going into August, was Weaver, Richards, and Shoemaker, with Wilson in the 4th spot. That's not bad at all on paper.
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Did the playoffs start going into August? Does a team not need a bullpen?

 
timschochet said:
Hilts said:
timschochet said:
I don't have a single explanation for the collapse of the Angels. They scored the most runs in the American league, now they can't hit. They had the best record in all of baseball, now they're about to be swept. People always talk about baseball teams that are "built for the playoffs" and the Angels were. They've had their share of injuries, but that's no excuse because everyone has injuries.

Whatever the reason, it's incredibly frustrating, but hats off to the Royals and I hope they go all the way.
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With that rotation? Strongly, strongly disagree.
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The rotation, going into August, was Weaver, Richards, and Shoemaker, with Wilson in the 4th spot. That's not bad at all on paper.
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You think trotting out Jered Weaver (who is very solid but not a legit number 1 in my opinion), a shaky and inconsistent CJ Wilson, a dude entering the season with 5 innings under his belt and who was never drafted along with a young pitcher with a career ERA above 4.50 going into the season is a team built for the playoffs?

I am not even going to get into the bullpen issues this team has faced for the last few years.

They are a solid team and never should have gotten swept, but it is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that they were built for the playoffs. My problem with the Angels is that I have been unable to figure out the identity of this team for about five plus years. And if you are the Angels...what do you do to fix this problem? Throw out another 6 year 100+ million deal to Lester or Sherzer?

 
This year's World Series will feature either the Orioles or Royals. Let that sink in for a minute.

 
SIDA! said:
timschochet said:
Hilts said:
timschochet said:
I don't have a single explanation for the collapse of the Angels. They scored the most runs in the American league, now they can't hit. They had the best record in all of baseball, now they're about to be swept. People always talk about baseball teams that are "built for the playoffs" and the Angels were. They've had their share of injuries, but that's no excuse because everyone has injuries.

Whatever the reason, it's incredibly frustrating, but hats off to the Royals and I hope they go all the way.
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With that rotation? Strongly, strongly disagree.
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The rotation, going into August, was Weaver, Richards, and Shoemaker, with Wilson in the 4th spot. That's not bad at all on paper.
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You think trotting out Jered Weaver (who is very solid but not a legit number 1 in my opinion), a shaky and inconsistent CJ Wilson, a dude entering the season with 5 innings under his belt and who was never drafted along with a young pitcher with a career ERA above 4.50 going into the season is a team built for the playoffs?

I am not even going to get into the bullpen issues this team has faced for the last few years.

They are a solid team and never should have gotten swept, but it is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that they were built for the playoffs. My problem with the Angels is that I have been unable to figure out the identity of this team for about five plus years. And if you are the Angels...what do you do to fix this problem? Throw out another 6 year 100+ million deal to Lester or Sherzer?
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The Anaheims have three bad contracts and a poor farm system. They've gotten some usable talent (besides Trout) out of the system recently but the cupboard looks bare. On the plus side, they've got enough revenue to add another big contract or two. Trout's real money kicks in in 2016 but he'll still only be making half as much as Josh Hamilton's $32.4M.

They got unlucky with SP injuries but that's what happens with pitchers.

 
RnR said:
This year's World Series will feature either the Orioles or Royals. Let that sink in for a minute.
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I'm sure MLB is gonna love the ratings implication of that. Both teams are relatively unknown outside of nerd circles IMO.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
RnR said:
This year's World Series will feature either the Orioles or Royals. Let that sink in for a minute.
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I'm sure MLB is gonna love the ratings implication of that. Both teams are relatively unknown outside of nerd circles IMO.
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The angle they will have to push is new faces on the big stage. The Orioles haven't been to the Series since 1983, and the Royals hadn't been in the playoffs since 1985. IIRC, the a Royals have three guys with over 1000 games played in their first postseason.
 
Eephus said:
SIDA! said:
timschochet said:
Hilts said:
timschochet said:
I don't have a single explanation for the collapse of the Angels. They scored the most runs in the American league, now they can't hit. They had the best record in all of baseball, now they're about to be swept. People always talk about baseball teams that are "built for the playoffs" and the Angels were. They've had their share of injuries, but that's no excuse because everyone has injuries.

Whatever the reason, it's incredibly frustrating, but hats off to the Royals and I hope they go all the way.
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With that rotation? Strongly, strongly disagree.
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The rotation, going into August, was Weaver, Richards, and Shoemaker, with Wilson in the 4th spot. That's not bad at all on paper.
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You think trotting out Jered Weaver (who is very solid but not a legit number 1 in my opinion), a shaky and inconsistent CJ Wilson, a dude entering the season with 5 innings under his belt and who was never drafted along with a young pitcher with a career ERA above 4.50 going into the season is a team built for the playoffs?

I am not even going to get into the bullpen issues this team has faced for the last few years.

They are a solid team and never should have gotten swept, but it is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that they were built for the playoffs. My problem with the Angels is that I have been unable to figure out the identity of this team for about five plus years. And if you are the Angels...what do you do to fix this problem? Throw out another 6 year 100+ million deal to Lester or Sherzer?
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The Anaheims have three bad contracts and a poor farm system. They've gotten some usable talent (besides Trout) out of the system recently but the cupboard looks bare. On the plus side, they've got enough revenue to add another big contract or two. Trout's real money kicks in in 2016 but he'll still only be making half as much as Josh Hamilton's $32.4M.

They got unlucky with SP injuries but that's what happens with pitchers.
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Huston Street is a very good closer, but the Angels traded away 2B Taylor Lindsay (their best prospect, according to Fangraphs preseason), Jose Rondon (#6) and P RJ Alvarez (#8) for about 80 IP and maybe 1.5 WAR worth of Huston Street. DiPoto also gave up crummy Borenstein and a promising low-minors pitcher named Joey Krebhiel for Joe Thatcher, who didn't even make the ALDS roster. Their system already isn't very good, but this makes it way worse.

Richards making a big leap and Shoemaker arriving are going to improve the Anguls chances significantly over the next few years, which is all the more reason to let prospects develop instead of brutally overpaying for a 9th inning specialist.

As for Tim's lamentation about not understanding what happened, dummy, it was 3 games. Kind of underscores the folly of "going for it" in baseball.

 
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More good news! Next year the Angils won't be paying Vernon Wells and Joe Blanton a combined 25mm anymore.

For better or worse, Anaheim aren't losing many guys to FA, but they don't have a ton of money to spend either, after arbitration/rookie contracts/replacing bullpen guys like Thatcher and Grilli. Unless they increase payroll.

Josh Hamilton is making 25mm next year, and THIRTY TWO MILLION DOLLARS for 2016 and 2017. What would Anaheim be without a wildly disappointing albatross of a contract hanging around their neck?

2014:

Pujols 23mm - 3.3 WAR

Hamilton 17mm - 1.1 WAR

Wilson 16mm - 0.6 WAR

Weaver 16mm - 1.5 WAR

 
I love my royals.. i really do.. i've been going to 10-12 games per season since I was a youth and my dad bought a ticket package after the euphoria of '85.

in '85 I went to one playoff game - game one of the world series and we lost that game.

Last night was the first playoff baseball game i've been to since then.. it was electric.. it was unreal. And it was the first playoff victory I've ever been to in my life.

I have a good feeling about this team, and while anything can happen in a baseball playoff series, I think the Royals can beat the Orioles without that even being very surprising.

Now.. having said all that.. from a desire to see the best teams take the title in the sport they play... it doesn't get much worse than the MLB, no?

One game playoff to make the wild card? 5 game series in a sport where it takes a lot more games to flesh out who is the best team..... a 5 game series is a slap in the face... if I"m an Angels fan I'm gutted right now.. 98 win team and a few extra inning games basically destroy your entire season.

I'll cheer my Royals all the way and I hope they win a World Series title.. but there is no way I would say at the end of the playoffs that this is the best baseball team of 2014 even if they won 8 straight from here to win it all.

 
So happy for all my Royals fan friends. This team is so fun to watch.

Part of this series being a sweep was Hosmer and Moustakas suddenly becoming power hitters after hitting singles all year (or in Moose's case , not even hitting singles and getting sent down to AAA). Not too interested in categorizing that as either good luck for the Royals or bad execution by the Angels, but it was unpredictable.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
So happy for all my Royals fan friends. This team is so fun to watch.

Part of this series being a sweep was Hosmer and Moustakas suddenly becoming power hitters after hitting singles all year (or in Moose's case , not even hitting singles and getting sent down to AAA). Not too interested in categorizing that as either good luck for the Royals or bad execution by the Angels, but it was unpredictable.
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Having watched this team the entire season I can tell you that it's great to watch their speed, pitching, and defense... but it can be quite maddening to play small ball game in and game out.

I went to 12 Royals games this season. In 9 of those games, I didn't see a home run.

Last night was the first game I'd been to where I saw two.

I thought the lack of power would plague this team in the playoffs because since you are playing against fantastic pitching sometimes it's nice to be able to get a run or two in one fell swoop rather than, single, stolen base/bunt, hope for another single to get one run...

But they have been able to get a power boost in the 4 game post-season and the way they have played over the last 10 days is a fantastic baseball team.

I'd kind of given up on a deep post-season run after going to 2 of the three games in the final Detroit series in our attempt to win the division and just getting pwned by them.

Even though I really respect Baltimore, I'm very glad that Detroit is gone as I would have assigned us almost no chance to beat that team in a 7 game series.

 
Dentist said:
I love my royals.. i really do.. i've been going to 10-12 games per season since I was a youth and my dad bought a ticket package after the euphoria of '85.

in '85 I went to one playoff game - game one of the world series and we lost that game.

Last night was the first playoff baseball game i've been to since then.. it was electric.. it was unreal. And it was the first playoff victory I've ever been to in my life.

I have a good feeling about this team, and while anything can happen in a baseball playoff series, I think the Royals can beat the Orioles without that even being very surprising.

Now.. having said all that.. from a desire to see the best teams take the title in the sport they play... it doesn't get much worse than the MLB, no?

One game playoff to make the wild card? 5 game series in a sport where it takes a lot more games to flesh out who is the best team..... a 5 game series is a slap in the face... if I"m an Angels fan I'm gutted right now.. 98 win team and a few extra inning games basically destroy your entire season.

I'll cheer my Royals all the way and I hope they win a World Series title.. but there is no way I would say at the end of the playoffs that this is the best baseball team of 2014 even if they won 8 straight from here to win it all.
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SUCH A BAD BEAT!!!11!

WHY, VARIANCE, WHY?????!

 
Good Posting Judge said:
More good news! Next year the Angils won't be paying Vernon Wells and Joe Blanton a combined 25mm anymore.

For better or worse, Anaheim aren't losing many guys to FA, but they don't have a ton of money to spend either, after arbitration/rookie contracts/replacing bullpen guys like Thatcher and Grilli. Unless they increase payroll.

Josh Hamilton is making 25mm next year, and THIRTY TWO MILLION DOLLARS for 2016 and 2017. What would Anaheim be without a wildly disappointing albatross of a contract hanging around their neck?

2014:

Pujols 23mm - 3.3 WAR

Hamilton 17mm - 1.1 WAR

Wilson 16mm - 0.6 WAR

Weaver 16mm - 1.5 WAR
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Ugly and Pujols is signed until he's 41. 1:1 odds that they are deep into Sherzer/Lester/Shields signings this off season.

 
Tackling Dummies said:
Good Posting Judge said:
More good news! Next year the Angils won't be paying Vernon Wells and Joe Blanton a combined 25mm anymore.

For better or worse, Anaheim aren't losing many guys to FA, but they don't have a ton of money to spend either, after arbitration/rookie contracts/replacing bullpen guys like Thatcher and Grilli. Unless they increase payroll.

Josh Hamilton is making 25mm next year, and THIRTY TWO MILLION DOLLARS for 2016 and 2017. What would Anaheim be without a wildly disappointing albatross of a contract hanging around their neck?

2014:

Pujols 23mm - 3.3 WAR

Hamilton 17mm - 1.1 WAR

Wilson 16mm - 0.6 WAR

Weaver 16mm - 1.5 WAR
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Ugly and Pujols is signed until he's 41 (in Dominican Years).
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