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TE Rob Gronkowski, TB (1 Viewer)
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Keith1
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Keith1
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Jello_Biafra
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rockaction
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Starting because I got nobody else to go.
Why not? I don't think they can double him with Edelman and Gordon to worry about.
Why not? I don't think they can double him with Edelman and Gordon to worry about.
gianmarco
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Just curious... I get the premise of what you're trying to say. So why is Julio Jones on that list?
Ilov80s
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Keith1
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Ilov80s
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Looks more and more like the early exit and limited practices was all just precautionary.
One can only hope. No one drafted him in the second round hoping for one touchdown in 5 games. He's been a season killer for most owners.
Anarchy99
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Gottabesweet
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Agree, 10 days rest is nice, he looks like he's in pain just walking. What's with that arm sleeve giant falling off on his routes.
What I did notice is with them being able to use the underneath game with White, Edelman and now being able to run the ball effectively the play action pass 15-20 yard second level throw to Gronk is back in play. Not to mention Josh Gordon stretching the field.
I'm hoping 6-75 starts to become his floor. Just need the TDs big man!
What I did notice is with them being able to use the underneath game with White, Edelman and now being able to run the ball effectively the play action pass 15-20 yard second level throw to Gronk is back in play. Not to mention Josh Gordon stretching the field.
I'm hoping 6-75 starts to become his floor. Just need the TDs big man!
Anarchy99
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I own Gronk in my money league and am still the highest scoring team in the league. He’s not lighting it up yet but he hasn’t been horrible.
rockaction
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He's averaging seven points a game standard.
If you're drafting floor, you could have done a lot worse, though it's certainly not optimal and his clunker against Jax probably sunk a lot of rosters.
But Detroit was excusable, as Aikman called it "punt coverage" on him last night in describing it.
And this:
Seven points a game is what people who wait on a tight end expect. Not people who take a TE in the second round.
rockaction
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Really? Through five games, he'll wind up around TE7 in my league. That's only five games. We've got eight more to go. That'll likely change if he's not hurt.
rockaction
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I take what you're saying, though. In the second round, you want Kelce-like numbers. You know who is TE1, far and away?
Ebron. By a bunch.
Ebron. By a bunch.
Gronk drafters also know that he hasn't played a full season since 2011. They figured it is worth the second round pick because his point total in the 10 or 11 games he plays will be head and shoulders better than anyone else at the position. As an owner, I hope you're right. Maybe he'll actually play in all the games and start to become a factor near the end zone again. Obviously, that's all we can hope for. But as of now, we're getting 8th round value for our 2nd round pick.
rockaction
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I do take what you're saying. I'm disappointed I drafted him in the second, too, as last time I did that he had a clunker of a year. I guess I didn't like the other options out there, really, and was scared away from Kelce by Smith's departure, which in retrospect, is just a terrible, terrible decision whereby I question my competence going into the year.
Okay, that's an exaggeration, but it was a bad, bad decision so far.
For reals. He’s killing my team. Not single-handedly. DJ and drake are doing their best to help him, but he’s rt there with them plotting against me each week.
Dj, Gronk, Drake. My first 3 picks. Can anyone guess my record? Lol
Unless you got lucky and grabbed Mahomes, Calvin Ridley and Cooper Kupp late, I'm guess 0-4. Like me. lol
rockaction
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Or Goff, Saquon Barkley, Kenny Golladay and Carlos Hyde. I'm 2-2, and that's with Lamar Miller in the third, and Gordon in the fourth, too, not to mention Edelman.
I have three Patriot pass catchers, and that's not what I intended. This is a hodgepodge year. I'm counting on Kenny Golladay.
Oooof.
Gottabesweet
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I'm 2-2 with Gronk in a shallow lineup short bench league was hoping he was the difference maker for me as everyone has stacked lineups. 12 team league we only start Q-R-W-T-F-F-K-D with 4 bench. Hoping he can at least give me top 3 TE numbers to be better than most of the field!
TheDirtyWord
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I'd preach patience here.
The underneath routes are now stacked with weapons like White/Edelman. Gordon is slowly establishing himself. NE getting to the point where they are now able to stretch defenses vertically and horizontally.
Gronk likely on the cusp of having 2-3 big games over the next 5-6 (KC, @CHI, @BUF, GB, TEN, @NYJ). He certainly doesn't look like his skills are eroding.
The underneath routes are now stacked with weapons like White/Edelman. Gordon is slowly establishing himself. NE getting to the point where they are now able to stretch defenses vertically and horizontally.
Gronk likely on the cusp of having 2-3 big games over the next 5-6 (KC, @CHI, @BUF, GB, TEN, @NYJ). He certainly doesn't look like his skills are eroding.
jtp1982
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I think Edelman made a difference for Gronk already. He would have been like 12.8 1/2 ppr had he not dropped the one he deflected to the DB for a pick with the ball around the 10 on a drive where Brady was favoring him and a TD for Gronk there would have made sense.
There was more room in the middle of the field for Gronk with Edelman to cover. Colts has their best LB out but they actually have a solid D and the laundry list of guys out were offensive starters mostly
Stiol think it’s a shame that wasn’t played on Sunday with at least a competitive Colts roster, even so was closer than it looked score wise
TheDirtyWord
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As defenses realize their overcompensation on covering Gronk in the RZ is yielding 35 PPG...they’ll be forced to adjust their philosophy.
Fever in the Funkhouse
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jtp1982
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Couple interesting articles have me thinking we are seeing some regression with Gronk. But not a huge drop off like some are thinking.
Quote from the end of a Pats Pulpit article about Gronk’s current 4 game TD drought: “since the start of the 2016 season, Gronkowski has averaged 10 or fewer touchdowns in 28 of a possible 30 weeks.” Very worthwhile read.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/10/5/17939910/patriots-te-rob-gronkowski-hasnt-scored-a-touchdown-in-four-straight-games
And there’s an interesting insight from Adam Hargrave’s Regression Alert for week 5 up in FBG right now. Hargrave looks at whether stretch performance in weeks 13-16 more closely trends to ADP or performance in weeks 1-4.
The answer for QBs, WRs and RBs is that stretch performance resembles both ADP and weeks 1-4 performance more or less equally. For Tight Ends, however, there’s a very strong correlation between performance weeks 1-4 and weeks 13-16. Although ADP still has some some pull as well.
https://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2018-regression-alert-week-05
His model would put Gronk finishing around TE#5-6 at the end of the year. Which to correct for the slow start means Gronk’s probably TE 3-4 from here on out. Thats about how things feel to me.
Week 6 against a good KC matchup after a long week will be telling for what kind of 2018 Gronk will finish with. He’ll go into the game healthier than he’s been since week 1, all the pieces are now in place as far as receivers, and Patriots coaches will have had plenty of time to work on developing their redzone playbook beyond James White.
Quote from the end of a Pats Pulpit article about Gronk’s current 4 game TD drought: “since the start of the 2016 season, Gronkowski has averaged 10 or fewer touchdowns in 28 of a possible 30 weeks.” Very worthwhile read.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/10/5/17939910/patriots-te-rob-gronkowski-hasnt-scored-a-touchdown-in-four-straight-games
And there’s an interesting insight from Adam Hargrave’s Regression Alert for week 5 up in FBG right now. Hargrave looks at whether stretch performance in weeks 13-16 more closely trends to ADP or performance in weeks 1-4.
The answer for QBs, WRs and RBs is that stretch performance resembles both ADP and weeks 1-4 performance more or less equally. For Tight Ends, however, there’s a very strong correlation between performance weeks 1-4 and weeks 13-16. Although ADP still has some some pull as well.
https://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2018-regression-alert-week-05
His model would put Gronk finishing around TE#5-6 at the end of the year. Which to correct for the slow start means Gronk’s probably TE 3-4 from here on out. Thats about how things feel to me.
Week 6 against a good KC matchup after a long week will be telling for what kind of 2018 Gronk will finish with. He’ll go into the game healthier than he’s been since week 1, all the pieces are now in place as far as receivers, and Patriots coaches will have had plenty of time to work on developing their redzone playbook beyond James White.
rockaction
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We don't have IR and I picked up Olsen as soon as he started practicing.
I'm not flexing TEs. I'm wondering what trades I can do. I can give rosters, etc. If you see this, I might shoot a PM or something if that's okay, bud.
jtp1982
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No data just my gut, but I think the Patriots having no real running game until just recently and Brady’s love affair with the a certain surprise PPR RB1 is part of what has hurt Gronk.
Is the tight end blocking or receiving this play wasn’t even a question and when defenses would cheat to take away the downfield pass Brady’s been more than happy to take what they give him, the James White check down.
Gronk’s explanation of his better game 4 performance was Sony Michel and play action passes opened up by the developing run game. But Michel has only just begun to be worked into the redzone offense. As that happens more I think Gronk TDs start to happen.
Is the tight end blocking or receiving this play wasn’t even a question and when defenses would cheat to take away the downfield pass Brady’s been more than happy to take what they give him, the James White check down.
Gronk’s explanation of his better game 4 performance was Sony Michel and play action passes opened up by the developing run game. But Michel has only just begun to be worked into the redzone offense. As that happens more I think Gronk TDs start to happen.
rockaction
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I totally agree with this. I don't know if you saw this in another thread, but Aikman said Gronk was facing "punt coverage" against Detroit. They were just hanging back and waiting for him to come downfield. Now, the defensive backs have to move up because of Michel and the run game. They weren't stacking the box against the Pats; they were unstacking it in major ways, to the best of my limited football knowledge. Tampa twos and cover twos, all other things constant, should get eaten up by a competent running game, and the Pats didn't have one.
But end zone looks, as we know, are a roulette wheel for the most part, and I bet teams still double Gronk and dare Brady to beat them with someone else.
I don’t just hope so, I NEED so. He’s been one of my 4 early RD busts. Can’t win without him.
Jello_Biafra
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I've never had Gronk until this year. Every week people are hoping "this is the week", and then he puts up average numbers. It's all my fault.
Ilov80s
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I'm not too worried. Week 1 and 5 were good. Week 2 was @ the best D in the league. Then week 3 the Pats looked DOA. They have a game like that every year. Week 4 it was a silly blow out and he was held out to make sure he was good for the short week. I think rest of the season he's going to deliver top 2 TE value.
rockaction
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