Gettleman decided to let everyone test the market. Oh well not everyone thank god Bell is locked up. But we did already lose a good safety to that crap.NYG are after Ginn. What's the problem we had with bringing him back? He played well. Did we not want him or just not be able to pay him?
FWIW, Ginn + Sanders to me is better than Nicks in the tub.
Has not been a good off season so far. Sucks knowing we were the #2 seed in the NFC and the holes have gotten bigger in the Offense and that was our #1 issue.Gettleman decided to let everyone test the market. Oh well not everyone thank god Bell is locked up. But we did already lose a good safety to that crap.NYG are after Ginn. What's the problem we had with bringing him back? He played well. Did we not want him or just not be able to pay him?
FWIW, Ginn + Sanders to me is better than Nicks in the tub.
I know it doesn't show in the stats,but that's a big loss IMO.Ginn off the market. Three years from Zona.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/13/cardinals-reel-in-ted-ginn-jr-with-a-three-year-deal/
What is the deal structure? I agree. I have said several times in the thread that I thought he played really well as a deep threat and returner. If he signed for piddly, that was a really dumb move.I know it doesn't show in the stats,but that's a big loss IMO.Ginn off the market. Three years from Zona.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/13/cardinals-reel-in-ted-ginn-jr-with-a-three-year-deal/
Article also seems to speculate he'll get a multi-year deal from someone.Nicks offered 4.5 per yr by Carolina
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/report-panthers-offer-giants-free-agent-nicks-article-1.1720292
I could handle those numbers. I don't think he is great, but him + a 1st round WR (who hopefully is solid) isn't a bad tandem. I just didn't want to break the bank for a guy who is a WR2 and is not close to a WR1. I wonder if I am coming around more on Nicks because there is now nobody else.Nicks offered 4.5 per yr by Carolina
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/report-panthers-offer-giants-free-agent-nicks-article-1.1720292
Haven't seen the details yet.What is the deal structure? I agree. I have said several times in the thread that I thought he played really well as a deep threat and returner. If he signed for piddly, that was a really dumb move.I know it doesn't show in the stats,but that's a big loss IMO.Ginn off the market. Three years from Zona.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/13/cardinals-reel-in-ted-ginn-jr-with-a-three-year-deal/
Oh yeah that sounds like a guy who isn't willing to step back."I am no longer a No. 1 wide receiver and I know that," Smith told Sirius XM's Bleacher Report radio on Thursday after the Carolina Panthers released him. "And I've been knowing that, and I don't have a problem with that.
It's a good draft to take the risk.Not sure what the heck the Panthers are doing right now. They sure are banking on getting WRs in this draft aren't they?
As fantasy football players we ought to all be aware that it usually takes a receiver 2-3 seasons to really be productive after being drafted Especially if they weren't the guy in that draft. We won't be drafting high enough to get the guy all the guys we will see will have question marks. So emptying the cupboard seems like a real bad idea to me.It's a good draft to take the risk.Not sure what the heck the Panthers are doing right now. They sure are banking on getting WRs in this draft aren't they?
Lafell is being courted by NE.NCCommish said:SON OF A #####! Really? Ginn and Mitchell? My guess is they figure Barner can handle returns and that way they can get him on the field but he isn't a wideout. I am quickly getting a bad feeling here. Nicks ain't even close to the cure. And if they bring back Lafell I say it's time for the pitchforks.
Just read he left NE without a contract and was in Charlotte today.Lafell is being courted by NE.NCCommish said:SON OF A #####! Really? Ginn and Mitchell? My guess is they figure Barner can handle returns and that way they can get him on the field but he isn't a wideout. I am quickly getting a bad feeling here. Nicks ain't even close to the cure. And if they bring back Lafell I say it's time for the pitchforks.
They have some big holes that keep getting larger...Archer said:Not sure what the heck the Panthers are doing right now. They sure are banking on getting WRs in this draft aren't they?
The guy that seems to have the polish in the draft and isn't raw is Watkins and we'd have to jump ten stories high from 1.28, plus maybe give up our 2015 1st.NCCommish said:As fantasy football players we ought to all be aware that it usually takes a receiver 2-3 seasons to really be productive after being drafted Especially if they weren't the guy in that draft. We won't be drafting high enough to get the guy all the guys we will see will have question marks. So emptying the cupboard seems like a real bad idea to me.cstu said:It's a good draft to take the risk.Archer said:Not sure what the heck the Panthers are doing right now. They sure are banking on getting WRs in this draft aren't they?
unfortunatelyNCCommish said:SON OF A #####! Really? Ginn and Mitchell? My guess is they figure Barner can handle returns and that way they can get him on the field but he isn't a wideout. I am quickly getting a bad feeling here. Nicks ain't even close to the cure. And if they bring back Lafell I say it's time for the pitchforks.
I'm not sure how deep this rabbit hole is presently. LOL. This is the abyss of the Marianas Trench right now at wideout. I mean, I'd like to have 1 guy with 1 catch to make me feel a little better. <Bagel> Work to do, work to do.They have some big holes that keep getting larger...Archer said:Not sure what the heck the Panthers are doing right now. They sure are banking on getting WRs in this draft aren't they?
Given the present situation at WR, Lafell looks like a HOFer. LOL. Heck, we need SOMEBODY with a catch. I mean, ANYBODY. Really?unfortunatelyNCCommish said:SON OF A #####! Really? Ginn and Mitchell? My guess is they figure Barner can handle returns and that way they can get him on the field but he isn't a wideout. I am quickly getting a bad feeling here. Nicks ain't even close to the cure. And if they bring back Lafell I say it's time for the pitchforks.
It's getting increasingly tough to envision "the plan" that we assume DG has.
Doesn't inspire much confidence when another WR starved team like NE doesn't even want Lafell enough to ink him while he's there. I mean, Edleman's everywhere and more than likely gone which leaves them with gimp AMendola as their "TOP" WR and a bunch of young guys. I'm sure in typical NE fashion they're bargain shopping and Lafell got lowballed but what do they really have in terms of steady veteran WR talent that he's back in Charlotte already?I'm not sure how deep this rabbit hole is presently. LOL. This is the abyss of the Marianas Trench right now at wideout. I mean, I'd like to have 1 guy with 1 catch to make me feel a little better. <Bagel> Work to do, work to do.They have some big holes that keep getting larger...Archer said:Not sure what the heck the Panthers are doing right now. They sure are banking on getting WRs in this draft aren't they?
I have faith in his capability as a GM. I mean the Giants were a well run organization when he was there and he did a pretty good job last year, certainly considering what he had to work with. So, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt although the Smith release could have used a little more relationship tact. I'm not screaming the sky is falling but... well, obvious is obvious... if the season were to start today... well Olsen would have a career year... ha haunfortunatelyNCCommish said:SON OF A #####! Really? Ginn and Mitchell? My guess is they figure Barner can handle returns and that way they can get him on the field but he isn't a wideout. I am quickly getting a bad feeling here. Nicks ain't even close to the cure. And if they bring back Lafell I say it's time for the pitchforks.
It's getting increasingly tough to envision "the plan" that we assume DG has.
He's astute. But we're going to need shrewd decisions, magic, luck and maybe some pixie dust to have a Corvette on Offense this year. Right?Well to be fair we didn't have Ginn or Mitchell at this time last year. I just hope there is still some magic in that old silk hat Gman found. He is going to need every bit of it.
No way we have money to give him or assets to get him. Plus, I think he's going to be in Philly for another year or two, despite the rumors. He's inked and barriing a holdout or major T.O. type tantrum over a contract, I think they want him. Eagles have leverage and cap room to keep him for 2014 I think. Pretty sure he is signed for 2014. Moving ahead, that's what they're concerned about. Besides, another few good to great contributors on defense and they are in in my opinion (chuckle, take grain of salt here) in the handful of teams that are front running contenders. They're stout, improving, and they're going to need Jackson THIS year if they really want to be champs in 2014.massraider said:Would they explore DeSean?
Seems like.He's astute. But we're going to need shrewd decisions, magic, luck and maybe some pixie dust to have a Corvette on Offense this year. Right?Well to be fair we didn't have Ginn or Mitchell at this time last year. I just hope there is still some magic in that old silk hat Gman found. He is going to need every bit of it.
Collins, Ginn and Mitchell were all "targets" according to DG. The difference between now and last year is DG has some competition for the players. All those guys from last year were on the scrap heap when he got them. I also know that during camp vets will get dropped etc. I'm not panicked. I'd lust like to see a little better where the heck this train is going.Seems like.He's astute. But we're going to need shrewd decisions, magic, luck and maybe some pixie dust to have a Corvette on Offense this year. Right?Well to be fair we didn't have Ginn or Mitchell at this time last year. I just hope there is still some magic in that old silk hat Gman found. He is going to need every bit of it.
Apparently they lost out on the FA tackle they were chasing. Burns me up that the LT from the Raiders took a deal with a 2.1 million dollar cap hit this year and never exceeds 6 million during the contract, He wasn't an all star but he would have been a value add at that kind of money. And the deal Mitchell signed was a one year deal The only guaranteed money is this season and then they own him nothing. Even Ginn didn't break the bank. So it hurts to see these guys signed for bargain prices and we didn't even try for them. Now I am having trouble maintaining acceptance.
Hey we still have McNutt.So, can this team just run the ball 700 times this year without any WRs?
That's disconcerting if true. I had no idea the structure of these guys' new contracts. Could we have had them back? Great post.Seems like.He's astute. But we're going to need shrewd decisions, magic, luck and maybe some pixie dust to have a Corvette on Offense this year. Right?Well to be fair we didn't have Ginn or Mitchell at this time last year. I just hope there is still some magic in that old silk hat Gman found. He is going to need every bit of it.
Apparently they lost out on the FA tackle they were chasing. Burns me up that the LT from the Raiders took a deal with a 2.1 million dollar cap hit this year and never exceeds 6 million during the contract, He wasn't an all star but he would have been a value add at that kind of money. And the deal Mitchell signed was a one year deal The only guaranteed money is this season and then they own him nothing. Even Ginn didn't break the bank. So it hurts to see these guys signed for bargain prices and we didn't even try for them. Now I am having trouble maintaining acceptance.
Well for sure you have to think we could have guaranteed Mitchell more than 5 million on a 5 year contract to keep him. And his cap number could have been real low. Give him a couple million bonus and 3 million in salary this year. Guarantee the next two years at 3 million each and he makes 11 million instead of 5. Why wouldn't he take that?That's disconcerting if true. I had no idea the structure of these guys' new contracts. Could we have had them back? Great post.Seems like.He's astute. But we're going to need shrewd decisions, magic, luck and maybe some pixie dust to have a Corvette on Offense this year. Right?Well to be fair we didn't have Ginn or Mitchell at this time last year. I just hope there is still some magic in that old silk hat Gman found. He is going to need every bit of it.
Apparently they lost out on the FA tackle they were chasing. Burns me up that the LT from the Raiders took a deal with a 2.1 million dollar cap hit this year and never exceeds 6 million during the contract, He wasn't an all star but he would have been a value add at that kind of money. And the deal Mitchell signed was a one year deal The only guaranteed money is this season and then they own him nothing. Even Ginn didn't break the bank. So it hurts to see these guys signed for bargain prices and we didn't even try for them. Now I am having trouble maintaining acceptance.
I was asking that question as a still hopeful owner of J Stew....who's been on my roster since his rookie year.....Hey we still have McNutt.So, can this team just run the ball 700 times this year without any WRs?
Ah yes the conundrum of JStew, I hope they are planning on him getting some carries.I was asking that question as a still hopeful owner of J Stew....who's been on my roster since his rookie year.....Hey we still have McNutt.So, can this team just run the ball 700 times this year without any WRs?
Given they don't have any WR weapons, what other choice do they have? Run D Will 400 times?Ah yes the conundrum of JStew, I hope they are planning on him getting some carries.I was asking that question as a still hopeful owner of J Stew....who's been on my roster since his rookie year.....Hey we still have McNutt.So, can this team just run the ball 700 times this year without any WRs?
To be fair, it is hard to describe the WR corps from last year as "weapons". I think it was painfully obvious they needed more talent there. The problem is that there are not really many attractive FAs to bring in. And, with the retirement of Gross, they have a big hole to fill at LT in addition to the expected work needed at the backend and WR.Given they don't have any WR weapons, what other choice do they have? Run D Will 400 times?Ah yes the conundrum of JStew, I hope they are planning on him getting some carries.I was asking that question as a still hopeful owner of J Stew....who's been on my roster since his rookie year.....Hey we still have McNutt.So, can this team just run the ball 700 times this year without any WRs?
Certainly a possibility.I was thinking earlier today that Smith's gig on WFNZ was probably the nail in the coffin. He was awfully frank about team mates at times and even when he wasn't, his hints or silence was telling. He spoke his mind and that probably didn't go over well with some. I suspect Gman thought that wasn't the best atmosphere for a young team.
And it cost us games. Especially that playoff game.Yeah, I'm not really sure why the WR position is such a hot button. As Slapdash pointed out, it wasn't a strong group last year. I think if they bring in Nicks (as reports indicate they want too) and draft a guy early (round 1 or 2) then they will have likely upgraded the position. They have no WR1 and didn't really have one last year either. Smith, by his own admission, isn't a WR1 any more. While Nicks may not have lived up to his potential the past few years I'd say he has a far greater likelihood of performing like a WR1 at this stage than Smith. I guess my point is, in 2 months Car may be looking like they upgraded the position from last year rather than abandoned it.
Yeah, it was painfully obvious during that game that Cam doesn't have the weapons he really needs.And it cost us games. Especially that playoff game.Yeah, I'm not really sure why the WR position is such a hot button. As Slapdash pointed out, it wasn't a strong group last year. I think if they bring in Nicks (as reports indicate they want too) and draft a guy early (round 1 or 2) then they will have likely upgraded the position. They have no WR1 and didn't really have one last year either. Smith, by his own admission, isn't a WR1 any more. While Nicks may not have lived up to his potential the past few years I'd say he has a far greater likelihood of performing like a WR1 at this stage than Smith. I guess my point is, in 2 months Car may be looking like they upgraded the position from last year rather than abandoned it.
That actually makes sense to me. I thought many times while listening to FNZ that he had to be pissing off his teammates. That, and while I doubt many guys on the team would confront Smitty, I'm sure that alot of his mouthy "leadership" was recieved more with eyes rolling. He's hasn't exactly always been a model citizen.The part I don't get is how saving 3 million against the cap by cutting a guy you couldn't get off the field with a bull dozer, and replacing him with a guy who costs 4.5 million and can't stay on the field, is an improvement. I must be much more concerned about Nicks health than most. Add in that his prospects of ever returning to the elite threat he once was are slim IMO, and I just don't get the move. Aren't his knees trashed?I was thinking earlier today that Smith's gig on WFNZ was probably the nail in the coffin. He was awfully frank about team mates at times and even when he wasn't, his hints or silence was telling. He spoke his mind and that probably didn't go over well with some. I suspect Gman thought that wasn't the best atmosphere for a young team.
This. This. This.That actually makes sense to me. I thought many times while listening to FNZ that he had to be pissing off his teammates. That, and while I doubt many guys on the team would confront Smitty, I'm sure that alot of his mouthy "leadership" was recieved more with eyes rolling. He's hasn't exactly always been a model citizen.The part I don't get is how saving 3 million against the cap by cutting a guy you couldn't get off the field with a bull dozer, and replacing him with a guy who costs 4.5 million and can't stay on the field, is an improvement. I must be much more concerned about Nicks health than most. Add in that his prospects of ever returning to the elite threat he once was are slim IMO, and I just don't get the move. Aren't his knees trashed?I was thinking earlier today that Smith's gig on WFNZ was probably the nail in the coffin. He was awfully frank about team mates at times and even when he wasn't, his hints or silence was telling. He spoke his mind and that probably didn't go over well with some. I suspect Gman thought that wasn't the best atmosphere for a young team.
Sanders is getting a lot of demand right now. He's everywhere. Would rather have him to build around than Nicks. He's pretty young and we could sign him for more than one year. He could fill in as a #2 type and hey, HE HAS AN ACTUAL NFL CATCH!!!!Surprised to not see Emanuel Sanders visiting or linked to the team. With the Smith release, they have 11 mill or so in cap room, more than enough to sign him to a nice deal.
You very well be correct. But given the WR stable has 0 career catches collectively, the mass exodus to retirement on the O line, guys signing bargain deals elsewhere, Nicks very possibly spending large parts of 2014 in a hot tub while collecting premium dollars, and the aformentioned point that, typically, rookie WR's aren't worth much; this guy, at least does have a little "Chicken Little" going on right now.Yeah, I'm not really sure why the WR position is such a hot button. As Slapdash pointed out, it wasn't a strong group last year. I think if they bring in Nicks (as reports indicate they want too) and draft a guy early (round 1 or 2) then they will have likely upgraded the position. They have no WR1 and didn't really have one last year either. Smith, by his own admission, isn't a WR1 any more. While Nicks may not have lived up to his potential the past few years I'd say he has a far greater likelihood of performing like a WR1 at this stage than Smith. I guess my point is, in 2 months Car may be looking like they upgraded the position from last year rather than abandoned it.