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I'm sorry, but this pick stands. I don't watch these movies and I think they are stupid, so any pick other than this would be from something off an Internet list. I have at least seen some of KFP, and it is more in American pop culture than some of these other movies selected. So unless you DQ it, I ain't replacing it.
charvik
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Did I misunderstand the draft? Is the purpose pop culture or best movie? Just want to make sure before doing any work on judging.
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timschochet
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The purpose is best movie. This category has nothing to do with American pop culture.
charvik
Footballguy
thanks, that's what I thought
timschochet
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Just so you know- Tatum O' Neil was 12 when The Bad News Bears was released. I just checked again to make sure after I read this post.
timschochet
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The Road Not Taken- American Poem
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference
It has always struck me that this is not as much a poem about indivdualism as some people (including my high school English teacher) claim. After all, it's not like the narrator is making a choice based upon his own decision- he's making a choice based on the decision of the majority- he's rejecting that decision, but still letting it affect him.
Case in point: I dated a "Goth" girl in college who LOVED this poem. The main reason she was Goth, besides liking the music, was a supposed rebellion against the conformity around her. So as part of that "rebellion" she dyed her hair black, wore dark clothes, dark eyeliner, fingernails, etc. For her this was the "road less traveled", as she referred to the Frost poem (lots of people seem to get the title wrong.) Anyhow, I'd take her to concerts: The Cure, Souixie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, etc. And at each concert, there were HUNDREDS of people there dressed exactly the same way she was. Talk about conformity! I once pointed this out to her. She didn't like it much, and we stopped dating soon after. She dated my roommate and became a Wican.
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference
It has always struck me that this is not as much a poem about indivdualism as some people (including my high school English teacher) claim. After all, it's not like the narrator is making a choice based upon his own decision- he's making a choice based on the decision of the majority- he's rejecting that decision, but still letting it affect him.
Case in point: I dated a "Goth" girl in college who LOVED this poem. The main reason she was Goth, besides liking the music, was a supposed rebellion against the conformity around her. So as part of that "rebellion" she dyed her hair black, wore dark clothes, dark eyeliner, fingernails, etc. For her this was the "road less traveled", as she referred to the Frost poem (lots of people seem to get the title wrong.) Anyhow, I'd take her to concerts: The Cure, Souixie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, etc. And at each concert, there were HUNDREDS of people there dressed exactly the same way she was. Talk about conformity! I once pointed this out to her. She didn't like it much, and we stopped dating soon after. She dated my roommate and became a Wican.
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Doug B
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Distance running legend Paavo Nurmi held the men's 1-mile-run world record for over eight years, from 8/23/1923 to 10/4/1931. Britain's Steve Cram held the mile world record one day shorter than Nurmi throughout the late 80s & early 90s (7/27/1985 - 9/5/1993). American champ Jim Ryun held the record for two months less than Nurmi and Cram, from 6/23/1967 to 5/17/1975.
The current world record holder will have posessed the record for 13 years come July 7th. He has also held the "metric mile" (1500 km) record for nearly 14 years (since 7/14/1998).
24.04: Hicham El Guerrouj, Athlete Born in Africa
The Morrocan champion carried on the tradition of North African middle-distance dominance throughout the late 1990s and early 2000s. El Guerrouj won the coveted middle-distance double at the 2004 Athens games, winning gold in both the 1500 km and 5000 km races -- the first to do so since Nurmi 80 years earlier.
The current world record holder will have posessed the record for 13 years come July 7th. He has also held the "metric mile" (1500 km) record for nearly 14 years (since 7/14/1998).
24.04: Hicham El Guerrouj, Athlete Born in Africa
The Morrocan champion carried on the tradition of North African middle-distance dominance throughout the late 1990s and early 2000s. El Guerrouj won the coveted middle-distance double at the 2004 Athens games, winning gold in both the 1500 km and 5000 km races -- the first to do so since Nurmi 80 years earlier.
timschochet
Footballguy
The Emotions- "Best of My Love"- Disco song
Doesn't take much to make me happy. And one way to do it is listening to this gem, which has always been my favorite disco song, even before it's iconic appearance in the opening moments of Boogie Nights. Listen and enjoy.
Doesn't take much to make me happy. And one way to do it is listening to this gem, which has always been my favorite disco song, even before it's iconic appearance in the opening moments of Boogie Nights. Listen and enjoy.
Doug B
Footballguy
My categories so far, as we're winding down the draft:
70's Sports Star
1. Reggie Jackson
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Pete Rose
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Billie Jean King
6. Jack Nicklaus
7. Bobby Orr
8. Hank Aaron
9. Nolan Ryan
10.
11.
12.
13.
Athlete born in Africa
1. Abebe Bikila
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Gary Player
4. Steve Nash
5. George Weah
6. Ernie Els
7. Kip Keino
8. Haile Gebrselassie
9. Samuel Eto'o
10. Kevin Pietersen
11. Dikembe Mutumbo
12. Hicham El Guerrouj
13.
...
I didn't post criteria for these categories in part because I didn't have fully-formed mental lists for either, especially for African athlete. I did have a top few in mind for 70s Sports Stars, but that was based on the tautological and obvious "biggest star" metric, not on any mathematical formula. For the African Athletes category, though, the drafters' selections are informing me more than I could have informed the drafters going into this exercise.
I'm posting now just to let everyone know that as I've started to break down and research everyone's selections, I can definitely say that no one has screwed up. Great and thoughtful selections will, of course, get slotted at the bottom -- that just can't be helped. But even this far in there are no definite no-brainer last-placers. The house has done a great job with these categories.
70's Sports Star
1. Reggie Jackson
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Pete Rose
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Billie Jean King
6. Jack Nicklaus
7. Bobby Orr
8. Hank Aaron
9. Nolan Ryan
10.
11.
12.
13.
Athlete born in Africa
1. Abebe Bikila
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Gary Player
4. Steve Nash
5. George Weah
6. Ernie Els
7. Kip Keino
8. Haile Gebrselassie
9. Samuel Eto'o
10. Kevin Pietersen
11. Dikembe Mutumbo
12. Hicham El Guerrouj
13.
...
I didn't post criteria for these categories in part because I didn't have fully-formed mental lists for either, especially for African athlete. I did have a top few in mind for 70s Sports Stars, but that was based on the tautological and obvious "biggest star" metric, not on any mathematical formula. For the African Athletes category, though, the drafters' selections are informing me more than I could have informed the drafters going into this exercise.
I'm posting now just to let everyone know that as I've started to break down and research everyone's selections, I can definitely say that no one has screwed up. Great and thoughtful selections will, of course, get slotted at the bottom -- that just can't be helped. But even this far in there are no definite no-brainer last-placers. The house has done a great job with these categories.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The judge laid out his criteria right away, so it's understood the guy who is mentioned alongside Shirley Temple at the beginning of any discussion of child stars will get dinged. It's an arbitrary and capricious cutoff, and the absolute right of the judge to do so.I'll take my chances. It would be a traveshamockery for Mickey Rooney to not be drafted.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Interesting that we have seen relatively few picks for American Military Victory given the long military tradition of the United States. Just an aside, here are a couple picks I rejected via PM: Hiroshima and the Cuban Missile Crisis (in case anyone was considering them). I did have battles between combatants in mind.
No bad picks in any of these three categories, but I do think there are some giants in dance choreography that are still missing - definitely value to be had with the right selection.
23.3 - Battle of the Bulge - American Military Victory
*Essentially Germany's last stand and the biggest and bloodiest single battle American soldiers ever fought -- one in which nearly 80,000 Americans were killed, maimed, or captured. It was a critical battle in crushing any hope for Germany going forward, leaving their military shattered.
*General Eisenhower allowed Black soldiers to fight together with white soldiers for the first time, a major step towards desegregation of the military
*Winston Churchill, addressing the House of Commons following the Battle of the Bulge said, "This is undoubtedly the greatest American battle of the war and will, I believe, be regarded as an ever-famous American victory".
*Essentially Germany's last stand and the biggest and bloodiest single battle American soldiers ever fought -- one in which nearly 80,000 Americans were killed, maimed, or captured. It was a critical battle in crushing any hope for Germany going forward, leaving their military shattered.
*General Eisenhower allowed Black soldiers to fight together with white soldiers for the first time, a major step towards desegregation of the military
*Winston Churchill, addressing the House of Commons following the Battle of the Bulge said, "This is undoubtedly the greatest American battle of the war and will, I believe, be regarded as an ever-famous American victory".
AcerFC
Footballguy
There are two categories I have zero (and I mean zero) clue about. This one and mixed drink. I'll get this out of the way with
24 Twyla Tharp- choreographer
I saw Moving out so at least I didn't go off some list. Cant say I have ever heard of one person chosen in this category. Guess I am lower class
24 Twyla Tharp- choreographer
I saw Moving out so at least I didn't go off some list. Cant say I have ever heard of one person chosen in this category. Guess I am lower class
nice pick!
Doug B
Footballguy
"Best" is stretching it ... but, man, it this movie quotable:"Get up! This is Sho's row!"
"Catches bullets? With his teeth? N###a, please!"
"Ain't no masters here. Ain't no slaves, neither!"
def might not be the best but def one of my favorites!
"Get up! This is Sho's row!"
"Catches bullets? With his teeth? N###a, please!"
"Ain't no masters here. Ain't no slaves, neither!"
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
I owe three:
Time Out - Dave Brubeck - Best Jazz Album
Doggystyle - Snoop Dogg - Best Hip Hop Album
Battle of Iwo Jima - American Military Victory
On phone, can someone bold?
Time Out - Dave Brubeck - Best Jazz Album
Doggystyle - Snoop Dogg - Best Hip Hop Album
Battle of Iwo Jima - American Military Victory
On phone, can someone bold?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Was looking over the cover songs and one of the songs I had ranked near the top is still undrafted. If anyone is interested, send me a PM. Of course there's no guarantee the judge will like the pick. I draft it myself, but I've selected All Along the Watchtower.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Waited too long.
AcerFC
Footballguy
Were you waiting for me to take this?I took the movie that Bruce Leeroy gets his idea for his disguise from
And how hot was Vanity
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Chemical X
Footballguy
when does the league start?
Mister CIA
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Corky
Footballguy
Still negotiating the CBA.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I was a little intimidated when Krista announced that write-ups would be a big part of her rankings for American Poetry. What, ME, do a write-up on poetry? ... I'm dying laughing on the inside. The best I can do is pick one and say, it really speaks to me - and mean it!
Actually, I just stumbled across this poem, so it's not like I've had any time to truly digest it, but it speaks an eternal truth (THE eternal truth), that life is nothing more and nothing less than the sum of the choices we make.
Actually, I just stumbled across this poem, so it's not like I've had any time to truly digest it, but it speaks an eternal truth (THE eternal truth), that life is nothing more and nothing less than the sum of the choices we make.
simey
Footballguy
there is no life i know...to compare with pure imaginationliving there, you'll be free...if you truly wish to be
24.11 - Mojito - Best Mixed Drink
Not a huge drinker, but this is definitely one of my personal faves. A terrific drink that is absolutely delicious.
Here's some interesting information about it:
Cuba is the birthplace of the Mojito, although the exact origin of this classic cocktail is the subject of debate. One story traces the Mojito to a similar 19th century drink known as "El Draque", after Francis Drake. Some historians contend that African slaves who worked in the Cuban sugar cane fields during the 19th century were instrumental in the cocktail's origin.
The Mojito was a favorite drink of author Ernest Hemingway. Ernest Hemingway made the bar called La Bodeguita del Medio famous as he became one of its regulars and he wrote "My mojito in La Bodeguita, My daiquiri in El Floridita." This expression in English can still be read on the wall of the bar today, in his handwriting.
Not a huge drinker, but this is definitely one of my personal faves. A terrific drink that is absolutely delicious.
Here's some interesting information about it:
Cuba is the birthplace of the Mojito, although the exact origin of this classic cocktail is the subject of debate. One story traces the Mojito to a similar 19th century drink known as "El Draque", after Francis Drake. Some historians contend that African slaves who worked in the Cuban sugar cane fields during the 19th century were instrumental in the cocktail's origin.
The Mojito was a favorite drink of author Ernest Hemingway. Ernest Hemingway made the bar called La Bodeguita del Medio famous as he became one of its regulars and he wrote "My mojito in La Bodeguita, My daiquiri in El Floridita." This expression in English can still be read on the wall of the bar today, in his handwriting.
simey
Footballguy
suzi and smokie! this song brings back good memories of the 70s.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Does ice count as a mixer?
jwb
Footballguy
Indeed - I was but a kid / young teen (born 66), but the 70's were awesome.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Awesome pick.
simey
Footballguy
I was born in January of '66. "Stumblin In" reminds me of hanging out at the neighborhood pool in the summer.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I don't have a solidified ranking for this category yet, but at this stage in the draft, seems like a great value.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Brutal conditions - as bad as any army has had to endure since Napoleon fell back after Moscow burned. David Halberstam's final work, The Coldest Winter, details the brutality of the ordeal: fierce weather, and a foe that fed wave after wave of troops into frontal assaults with maniacal regularity.ETA: SPAS
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timschochet
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But the main thing is that the United States was surprised, right? We never figured the Chinese would attack, despite the fact that the entire campaign mirrored almost exactly Hideyoshi's attack on Korea in 1598- the Japanese crossed the Yalu, and the Chinese attacked and drove the Japanese forces back. Truman blamed MacArthur, and MacArthur was partly to blame, but so was the entire State Department in failing to heed Chou En Lai's warnings that China would attack if the American forces dared to cross the Yalu. It was as much a strategic error as it was a tactical one.
timschochet
Footballguy
Its my birthday and I'm going out to dinner. I may update when I get back; if not, it will be tomorrow.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Happy birthday.
Everyone needs to review his picks. Michael Jackosn is missing from the child star category.
Everyone needs to review his picks. Michael Jackosn is missing from the child star category.
Mister CIA
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jwb
Footballguy
Happy Birthday.
rikishiboy
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Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
25.09 Michael Caine in Jaws IV: The Revenge - Great Actor/Crappy Movie
These things just shouldn't go together. It's just unnatural.
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Mister CIA
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