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Probably any individual player in the right circumstances. In most circumstances any player outside of DJ, evans, zeke and bell. Some might prefer to keep a few others but generally you can make a case to trade any player for Mixon, Howard and Samuel.
Possibly? Most rebuilders would break their finger hitting accept.
I feel your pain. People value players and picks differently. The only thing you can count on is them valuing THEIR OWN players and picks more than everyone else...
Yes possibly. Probably if that makes you feel better? When I ran a poll on DLF about Hopkins a month ago 1.3/1.8 vs Hopkins, the results were 70%+ Hopkins. Make it 1.4 and 1.12 ilo 1.3 and I'm guessing it's more likely 50/50. Granted rebuilders probably would favor the picks.
I've had plenty of bad offers but never even read this thread. That being said, I may have the worst:
Obviously not something you take but if Davis is available I can see someone thinking he was essentially asking what you'd need with Davis for OBJ. Poor way to do it unless you've asked about the pick.
No, I didn't ask. He wants OBJ but every time I send a counter order he rejects it. I'm loaded with 2017 picks actually have the very next pick after him. I really don't need his pick so basically he wants OBJ for that pick.
In fairness to him you were asking for way too much for Hopkins. Crabtree is a comparable scoring veteran and is only 29. Since his game doesn't rely on speed he'll probably age well. You wanted 3 firsts on top of that?jeaton6 said:
I would have a hard time passing up 5 #1's and 1 #2 for AJG. He's a top-10 WR but not a top-5 guy anymore, he's 29 and never scored a ton of TDs.
Yes. You can go back and read the thread a couple pages. I'm not going to reiterate again.
Yeah read all that afterwards - the guy reacted like a tool, but I would have rejected and not bothered to counter. When some one overvalues a player like that it leaves no room for a counter.
How much do you think that initial offer is overvaluing Hopkins by? It seems to me like at most it's heavy by Crabtree (who is worth a late 1) or a 2018 1. Do you know anyone (outside of Andy D, of course) that would sell Hopkins for much less than Crabtree and 2 2018 1's or 3 1's?
To be fair, without knowing where those 1s will end up it's tougher to guage but to me that was asking for basically 4 first round picks for Hopkins (I think valuing Crabtree as a late future first is fair). If there's a good chance one of those picks will be high, I could make an argument that pick and Crabtree could be enough. Admittedly it's not easy to gauge his value coming off a really bad year (trust me I suffered through it in two leagues). I'm not sure Savage/Watson is a guarantee to boost his value back up - and I like Watson.
I can't see any Hopkins owners selling him for Crabtree plus a 2018 1. Especially given where we are now in the offseason. I think Hopkins owners that are looking to selling wouldn't do so for anything less than an early 1 (top 4) this year and a bare minimum of a mid 1 this year. I think something like 1.3 and 1.6 at an absolute bare minimum which easily could be flipped for 3 2018 1's plus.
Not so sure about that. This one literally just came through an hour ago (not involved). Very timely. This is just a little less than Crabtree and 3 18 1's. Certainly more than Crabtree and 2 2018 1's.
Well then... keep looking in your league for someone like this guy.that doesn't know what they're doing. I hope you find him.
That looks like Hopkins for two 1sts and a 2nd, which is a far cry from three 1sts and a high value starting WR.
That's what I was thinking too, although the 1sts look to both be high. Might be right but a little more than I'd give
No one said his offer was among the "worst trades offered" (he was the one that even brought it to light in here so he could list the counter he got). People just said he was overvaluing Hopkins in the first place which perhaps justified (although not really) the toolish reaction from the other owner.
Have you given us any indication of where those 2018 1sts are likely to fall? Because while Mixon isn't exactly a "typical" 1st value, until we've seen where those picks are going to line up it's just as vague as this comment is. Got a link to the league in question?
One early, one mid, one late. Mixon/1.3 or 1.4 isn't worth just 1 2018 1 no matter how vague or how you choose to slice it.
I didn't suggest it was. I suggested that your claim of "3 2018 1sts" was. Until we knew where those stood there's a huge value scale this offer could have had. 3 late 1's plus Crabtree wouldn't be too far off as you suggest - maybe aggressive but nothing egregious. But if someone views two of those picks as potential top 5 picks (I do on first quick glance) I could easily see how they think you're off your rocker. I am a big Hopkins believer but I probably wouldn't give those up either, and with Crabtree and another 1st in there it looks to me like you are fishing for a sucker to overpay.
I'm guessing you didn't look at all rosters just those of the picks because there is a huge range of outcomes for most in that league. Not overly top heavy. As you know, things change quickly in dynasty and suckers are those who equate projected 2018 1 early to actual 2018 1 early.
That's a pretty db comment to fire at me, and wrong to boot. It would be quite the opposite. Suckers are those that fail to project the potential value of a pick and get poor trade value for it as a result. Clearly what you're after though, so good luck fishing.
Wow you must have read my response immediately after I submitted it, then had time to scan every roster, evaluate them and write a response in 10 minutes?
I had to read this a few times to see what piece I was missing.....I’m not really for vetoing trades, but I’d make an exception.....Hankmoody said:
Serial low ballers will make a mistake eventually. I had a SLB offer me gronk for fleener and a 2nd (when fleener went to NO) and I hit accept before he could revoke it- they often make an offer and remove it 5 mins later, asking for more.
