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What to do when your teenager seems to start "drifting" (1 Viewer)

Phones and tablets taken away at night for a few weeks due to late night texting.Leave the weed thing alone. I'm guessing she has had plenty of lectures on the dangers of drug use and the fact that you are so adverse to weed suggests you aren't rational on the subject.

College isn't for everyone, but it's certainly for most folks who have 3.5's. You need to push it as an expectation. We all agree that the costs are getting out of hand, but the data doesn't lie. A college education is still a necessity and a bargain for most.
Why is that not rational?
Post 19 suggests you aren't rational. If you can't conceive of your 17 yr old wanting to try weed, perhaps you should take a step back. Again, just spit ballin', but you're likely way uptight on he issue for various reasons, and teenagers are curious.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Page 36: fatguy looks to the left and sees a door marked, "Open this, and you will have a great 4 (5? 6?) years of college. Weed, however, will cease to exist."

To the right is a hallway leading to a room full of weed. It appears to be a lifetime supply. There are bags full of all the necessary "toes" for this situation - Cheetos, Doritos, and Fritos. Because this book was designed for you, specifically, there is also what appears to be a really comfortable couch with a pillow. Choose to explore this hallway and the door to college will be locked forever.

To open the door, turn to page 48.

To get high, turn to page 19
Yeah who has ever graduated from college after smoking weed.

 
I went through this to a much lesser extent with my now 19 (almost 20) yr old. Much to my disappointment because she is a very smart person she is not going to college. She has a full time job, has moved in with her boyfriend. ( I don't approve of him mainly because he won't give me a chance to get to know him). She has been out of school for a year now so it is different than what you are going through. You just have to let them make their decisions and hope they learn from them. Make your opinion known, and monitor her close but the harder you come out to be the more she is going to pull away.

Part of our problem these days is we shelter children from failure way too much.

 
Phones and tablets taken away at night for a few weeks due to late night texting.Leave the weed thing alone. I'm guessing she has had plenty of lectures on the dangers of drug use and the fact that you are so adverse to weed suggests you aren't rational on the subject.

College isn't for everyone, but it's certainly for most folks who have 3.5's. You need to push it as an expectation. We all agree that the costs are getting out of hand, but the data doesn't lie. A college education is still a necessity and a bargain for most.
Why is that not rational?
Post 19 suggests you aren't rational. If you can't conceive of your 17 yr old wanting to try weed, perhaps you should take a step back. Again, just spit ballin', but you're likely way uptight on he issue for various reasons, and teenagers are curious.
That word means different things to each of us, I think.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Page 36: fatguy looks to the left and sees a door marked, "Open this, and you will have a great 4 (5? 6?) years of college. Weed, however, will cease to exist."

To the right is a hallway leading to a room full of weed. It appears to be a lifetime supply. There are bags full of all the necessary "toes" for this situation - Cheetos, Doritos, and Fritos. Because this book was designed for you, specifically, there is also what appears to be a really comfortable couch with a pillow. Choose to explore this hallway and the door to college will be locked forever.

To open the door, turn to page 48.

To get high, turn to page 19
Yeah who has ever graduated from college after smoking weed.
Would you people stop using reality to wreck Fun with Fatguy? I left Funions off the weed menu, too, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen!!

 
Is she aware you know about the weed exchange?
No. She's in Costa Rica with her Spanish class until next Wednesday.

We let her do just about everything she asks. I thought momma bear was going to have a stroke when I said daughter bear could go to the Warp Tour this summer.

 
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I know I've got it made compared to a lot of situations, but I'm starting to see some warning signs with my kid's behavior and I'm wondering if people have encountered a like situation.

My daughter is 17. Generally she's pretty responsible. Gets mostly A's and B's (carrying a 3.5). Works at a karate school and has her 3rd degree belt. She's kind of a sanguine personality - which is part of the problem, I think. She's not the most focused of people.

I'm not terribly excited about the friends she has. We found that she was texting at 3 AM-ish for several days during the school year. You could see that she was exhausted. This led to me taking her phone away. Her reaction to that was using one of the internet text methods, but she wasn't smart enough to close the window that told one of her friends "I'm going to have to find a new way to text at night because my dad is monitoring my texts on my phone". Which led to a REAL blowup (trust is a big thing with me and I hate being lied to). I told her that I didn't want to have to look through her text messages but she wasn't leaving me with much choice.

The latest thing is an exchange she had with a friend where he said "So and so said we need to 'pop your weed cherry'" to which she simply replied "Okay". :eek:

We had a meeting with a college planner that she showed almost no interest in as she sat there. We're trying to find out if she even wants to go to college and the reaction is mostly "Meh".

Anyway, it's not any one major thing that concerns me, just a few reddish flags.

Am I overreacting? Should I just let it play out or should I be more strict? She has a lot of spare time on her hands and I'm thinking of making her get another part time job. Is it better to step in and give direction rather than let your 17 year old choose it?
I put in red part of your problem... the notion that it's HER phone. But you pay the bill and chances are the account is in your name. It's your phone.

Remember the Cape Cod mother who gave her kid a cell phone for 2012 Christmas? She had the 18-point agreement?

Perhaps you need something like this. Note in particular point #4, "Hand the phone to one of your parents promptly at 7:30pm every school night & every weekend night at 9:00pm. It will be shut off for the night and turned on again at 7:30am."

 
One more comment on the weed text. To me it shows you probably have a pretty good kid. A 17 year old who has friends that smoke has probably been given ample opportunities to smoke, and she's passed on those. And not to try to spend too much time inside the head of a 17 year old girl and breaking down a four letter response, but her responding with "okay" and not something like "finally!" or "i know, ive been waiting too long" makes me think she really has no interest and would either ultimately reject the peer pressure, or do it once or twice and move on.
Yeah, that's kind of my feeling too. But as one who has never tried it myself, I can't conceive of her even wanting to try it. :shrug:

A lot of this comes from trying to get out in front of things for my wife. She's got enough on her plate dealing with her idiot dad who killed his liver and now waits on a transplant list.
You have to remember, she's growing up at a time where MJ is now being legalized for recreational purposes, and there's very strong support for that to spread further. I imagine it's difficult to comprehend it being such a horrible substance like even I was told when I was a teenager (I'm 30 now). So even if it's difficult, you have to take that into account.

And good on you for trying to ease your wife's burden. And also good for caring so much about your kid that you're worried about her even if she has a lot of really great qualities. You can always try to be a better parent.
My kid turns 15 next week and honestly I'd rather catch him with weed than a bottle of bourbon. But it sounds like she's a pretty good kid. If she makes it out of high school without becoming a parent, acquiring an incurable disease, becoming addicted to something nasty, acquiring a rap sheet, or getting behind the wheel while intoxicated you're pretty well ahead of the game. The rest will come around.

 
I know I've got it made compared to a lot of situations, but I'm starting to see some warning signs with my kid's behavior and I'm wondering if people have encountered a like situation.

My daughter is 17. Generally she's pretty responsible. Gets mostly A's and B's (carrying a 3.5). Works at a karate school and has her 3rd degree belt. She's kind of a sanguine personality - which is part of the problem, I think. She's not the most focused of people.

I'm not terribly excited about the friends she has. We found that she was texting at 3 AM-ish for several days during the school year. You could see that she was exhausted. This led to me taking her phone away. Her reaction to that was using one of the internet text methods, but she wasn't smart enough to close the window that told one of her friends "I'm going to have to find a new way to text at night because my dad is monitoring my texts on my phone". Which led to a REAL blowup (trust is a big thing with me and I hate being lied to). I told her that I didn't want to have to look through her text messages but she wasn't leaving me with much choice.

The latest thing is an exchange she had with a friend where he said "So and so said we need to 'pop your weed cherry'" to which she simply replied "Okay". :eek:

We had a meeting with a college planner that she showed almost no interest in as she sat there. We're trying to find out if she even wants to go to college and the reaction is mostly "Meh".

Anyway, it's not any one major thing that concerns me, just a few reddish flags.

Am I overreacting? Should I just let it play out or should I be more strict? She has a lot of spare time on her hands and I'm thinking of making her get another part time job. Is it better to step in and give direction rather than let your 17 year old choose it?
I put in red part of your problem... the notion that it's HER phone. But you pay the bill and chances are the account is in your name. It's your phone.

Remember the Cape Cod mother who gave her kid a cell phone for 2012 Christmas? She had the 18-point agreement?

Perhaps you need something like this. Note in particular point #4, "Hand the phone to one of your parents promptly at 7:30pm every school night & every weekend night at 9:00pm. It will be shut off for the night and turned on again at 7:30am."
Your approach is going to make things much worse. It would be different if his daughter was risking failing out of school or had some actual legal issues. It just ramps up the divide between a kid and their parents.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Page 36: fatguy looks to the left and sees a door marked, "Open this, and you will have a great 4 (5? 6?) years of college. Weed, however, will cease to exist."

To the right is a hallway leading to a room full of weed. It appears to be a lifetime supply. There are bags full of all the necessary "toes" for this situation - Cheetos, Doritos, and Fritos. Because this book was designed for you, specifically, there is also what appears to be a really comfortable couch with a pillow. Choose to explore this hallway and the door to college will be locked forever.

To open the door, turn to page 48.

To get high, turn to page 19
Yeah who has ever graduated from college after smoking weed.
Would you people stop using reality to wreck Fun with Fatguy? I left Funions off the weed menu, too, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen!!
No Funions? I am out.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Page 36: fatguy looks to the left and sees a door marked, "Open this, and you will have a great 4 (5? 6?) years of college. Weed, however, will cease to exist."

To the right is a hallway leading to a room full of weed. It appears to be a lifetime supply. There are bags full of all the necessary "toes" for this situation - Cheetos, Doritos, and Fritos. Because this book was designed for you, specifically, there is also what appears to be a really comfortable couch with a pillow. Choose to explore this hallway and the door to college will be locked forever.

To open the door, turn to page 48.

To get high, turn to page 19
My pic

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Page 36: fatguy looks to the left and sees a door marked, "Open this, and you will have a great 4 (5? 6?) years of college. Weed, however, will cease to exist."

To the right is a hallway leading to a room full of weed. It appears to be a lifetime supply. There are bags full of all the necessary "toes" for this situation - Cheetos, Doritos, and Fritos. Because this book was designed for you, specifically, there is also what appears to be a really comfortable couch with a pillow. Choose to explore this hallway and the door to college will be locked forever.

To open the door, turn to page 48.

To get high, turn to page 19
My pic
Is that leather? Because I'm planning on a naked bake.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Page 36: fatguy looks to the left and sees a door marked, "Open this, and you will have a great 4 (5? 6?) years of college. Weed, however, will cease to exist."

To the right is a hallway leading to a room full of weed. It appears to be a lifetime supply. There are bags full of all the necessary "toes" for this situation - Cheetos, Doritos, and Fritos. Because this book was designed for you, specifically, there is also what appears to be a really comfortable couch with a pillow. Choose to explore this hallway and the door to college will be locked forever.

To open the door, turn to page 48.

To get high, turn to page 19
My pic
Is that leather? Because I'm planning on a naked bake.
Microfiber

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Page 36: fatguy looks to the left and sees a door marked, "Open this, and you will have a great 4 (5? 6?) years of college. Weed, however, will cease to exist."

To the right is a hallway leading to a room full of weed. It appears to be a lifetime supply. There are bags full of all the necessary "toes" for this situation - Cheetos, Doritos, and Fritos. Because this book was designed for you, specifically, there is also what appears to be a really comfortable couch with a pillow. Choose to explore this hallway and the door to college will be locked forever.

To open the door, turn to page 48.

To get high, turn to page 19
My pic
Is that leather? Because I'm planning on a naked bake.
Microfiber
College is overrated.

 
I have no practical experience in this area whatsoever, so if you choose to ignore my thoughts, no offense taken. With an 8 year-old daughter at home, I'm not looking forward to these inevitable issues. Philosophically, though, I feel like our job as parents is to try to prepare them as well as we can to make good decisions that will serve them best in the long run. To that end, I'd try to worry less about the weed and the texting and more about, "What's next?"

She might need to make her own decisions, but you might need to help her plan to do so. If she's not planning to go to college, what does she plan to do when she graduates from high school? Will she still be living with you? Are you OK with that? Does she know that you are/are not OK with that? What will she do if you are not? Or if she has to pay you rent? Or buy a car?

Maybe you'll be fortunate enough to have those practical considerations overwelm her into thinking about college instead of the real world.

So I'd consider starting with the larger conversation about what's on the horizon. See how that goes and proceed from there on the other topics if necessary. But if I were you, I'd also make sure you know where you and the wife stand on questions like the ones listed above. It's a lot easier to skip college if you can sponge off mom and dad for another 5 years.

 
Maybe Costa Rica will be awesome and you can parlay that into a Spanish/Biz dual with parent-funded Spring Breaks to Spanish-speaking tropical paradises for the next four years.

 
Is there someone outside of you and your wife that can talk to her casually? Sometimes there's so much baggage between parents and children that it kills the opportunity to have a civil and rational conversation. Is there an aunt/uncle? Teacher? Karate instructor? Sometimes when advice comes from outside and perhaps unexpected place, we take it more serious. When it's mom or dad, it's just them being annoying like usual.

 
Phones and tablets taken away at night for a few weeks due to late night texting.

Leave the weed thing alone. I'm guessing she has had plenty of lectures on the dangers of drug use and the fact that you are so adverse to weed suggests you aren't rational on the subject.

College isn't for everyone, but it's certainly for most folks who have 3.5's. You need to push it as an expectation. We all agree that the costs are getting out of hand, but the data doesn't lie. A college education is still a necessity and a bargain for most.
Why is that not rational?
You compared smoking weed to getting bombed on Everclear. That is no where near rational.

 
Maybe Costa Rica will be awesome and you can parlay that into a Spanish/Biz dual with parent-funded Spring Breaks to Spanish-speaking tropical paradises for the next four years.
The two subjects she likes best in school are Spanish and Band (clarinet).

I'd be totally okay with her majoring in Spanish/minor in music in college. I don't think there's going to be any shortage of need for fluent Spanish speakers during her lifetime.

 
Phones and tablets taken away at night for a few weeks due to late night texting.

Leave the weed thing alone. I'm guessing she has had plenty of lectures on the dangers of drug use and the fact that you are so adverse to weed suggests you aren't rational on the subject.

College isn't for everyone, but it's certainly for most folks who have 3.5's. You need to push it as an expectation. We all agree that the costs are getting out of hand, but the data doesn't lie. A college education is still a necessity and a bargain for most.
Why is that not rational?
You compared smoking weed to getting bombed on Everclear. That is no where near rational.
I would much prefer my kid smoke weed than ever get bombed off any drink. Not even close.

 
Phones and tablets taken away at night for a few weeks due to late night texting.

Leave the weed thing alone. I'm guessing she has had plenty of lectures on the dangers of drug use and the fact that you are so adverse to weed suggests you aren't rational on the subject.

College isn't for everyone, but it's certainly for most folks who have 3.5's. You need to push it as an expectation. We all agree that the costs are getting out of hand, but the data doesn't lie. A college education is still a necessity and a bargain for most.
Why is that not rational?
You compared smoking weed to getting bombed on Everclear. That is no where near rational.
That's not what I said. But then I've come to learn that you're not the subtlest guy.

That doesn't mean I don't think you're okay.

 
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Maybe Costa Rica will be awesome and you can parlay that into a Spanish/Biz dual with parent-funded Spring Breaks to Spanish-speaking tropical paradises for the next four years.
The two subjects she likes best in school are Spanish and Band (clarinet).

I'd be totally okay with her majoring in Spanish/minor in music in college. I don't think there's going to be any shortage of need for fluent Spanish speakers during her lifetime.
No, the Spanish majors I knew were happy as clams, never studied (don't tell her that part), got huge GPA's anyway, and were super employable within about nine minutes of graduation. It ain't a one-way ticket to the penthouse life, but :shrug: .

 
I agree with the majority of the comments thus far. Especially with the push for college considering your daughter's good grades. That would seem like a waste for an intelligent young woman to not at least TRY and pursue a college degree and the doors it could open. That being said, my parents let me do pretty much whatever I wanted. I never got in any REAL trouble. They also didn't really give me a push of any sort in any certain direction, and I wish they would have. When you're a teenager, you have no idea about what's waiting out there, good or bad, or even worse, the dreaded in-between. I wish my parents had given me a push to aim a little higher. I have a college degree and a decent job that I've held since I got my degree, but at times I wonder if I sold myself a little short. Just my 2 cents. Good luck, brother. I've got a 12yo girl myself, so I fear the same things for my not-so-distant future.

 
My wife's dad basically had this conversation with her when she was 16:

"I've saved $x for you to go to college. When you graduate, you get to manage that money however you see fit to pay for room, board, and tuition. If you go to college near home, you can live with us and have more of that money left over. If you go to college elsewhere, your rent will come out of that money. Whatever money is left when you graduate (if any) is yours to do with as you wish.

If you don't go to college, you get a job, pay rent, and that money goes into my retirement fund."

 
Part of the problem I think a lot of high/higher achievers have these days is that with so many doors available to open, it's difficult to choose one and they end up choosing none.

 
I only have a 4 year old, so obviously my opinion means nothing and is worthless, but...

At 17, is taking "her" #### away the right method? She's damn near an adult and that seems like stuff I do with my 4 year old when he doesn't clean up after himself. I would hope I'd be able to sit down with 17 year old and explain why I think staying up until 3am is a bad move and the importance of the next couple of years.

My old man gave me a lot of leeway as a high-schooler since I never got in trouble (caught) and I had very good grades. He caught me coming into the house a little drunk a couple of times even and didn't give me the business. AND LOOK AT ME NOW!!!

 
Is she aware you know about the weed exchange?
No. She's in Costa Rica with her Spanish class until next Wednesday.We let her do just about everything she asks. I thought momma bear was going to have a stroke when I said daughter bear could go to the Warp Tour this summer.
I went to Warped Tour when I was 17 and turned out fine. :oldunsure:
Me too. :oldunsure:
:hifive: we're awesome

 
AndyD: Does she have any constructive interests? Things she likes to do or is interested in? You mentioned music. Anything else? What's she good at?

It might help to highlight some of those things and see if there are ways you can encourage her to go farther with them.

Overall it doesn't sound like she's messed up, she's on the cusp of legal adulthood, you're going to have to give her some room to make her own decisions and deal with the consequences. That's not to say you shouldn't let her know the possible outcomes, and even state your preferences, but ultimately it will soon be up to her to make the decisions for herself full time. Your job now is to prepare her to make good decisions - not make all the decisions for her.

 
My wife's dad basically had this conversation with her when she was 16:

"I've saved $x for you to go to college. When you graduate, you get to manage that money however you see fit to pay for room, board, and tuition. If you go to college near home, you can live with us and have more of that money left over. If you go to college elsewhere, your rent will come out of that money. Whatever money is left when you graduate (if any) is yours to do with as you wish.

If you don't go to college, you get a job, pay rent, and that money goes into my retirement fund."
Well......... what happened?

 
AndyD: Does she have any constructive interests? Things she likes to do or is interested in? You mentioned music. Anything else? What's she good at?

It might help to highlight some of those things and see if there are ways you can encourage her to go farther with them.

Overall it doesn't sound like she's messed up, she's on the cusp of legal adulthood, you're going to have to give her some room to make her own decisions and deal with the consequences. That's not to say you shouldn't let her know the possible outcomes, and even state your preferences, but ultimately it will soon be up to her to make the decisions for herself full time. Your job now is to prepare her to make good decisions - not make all the decisions for her.
Well, she does have that 3rd degree black belt. And she does like music.

Other than that, it's typical teenage stuff - texting too much, binge watching House and Bones, and "hanging out" with friends.

Like I said, this is more of a "drift" than it is a hard turn.

 
AndyD: Does she have any constructive interests? Things she likes to do or is interested in? You mentioned music. Anything else? What's she good at?

It might help to highlight some of those things and see if there are ways you can encourage her to go farther with them.

Overall it doesn't sound like she's messed up, she's on the cusp of legal adulthood, you're going to have to give her some room to make her own decisions and deal with the consequences. That's not to say you shouldn't let her know the possible outcomes, and even state your preferences, but ultimately it will soon be up to her to make the decisions for herself full time. Your job now is to prepare her to make good decisions - not make all the decisions for her.
Well, she does have that 3rd degree black belt. And she does like music.

Other than that, it's typical teenage stuff - texting too much, binge watching House and Bones, and "hanging out" with friends.

Like I said, this is more of a "drift" than it is a hard turn.
So explore the music thing more. Take her to some shows that use clarinet, maybe see if you can get her some introductions to people who play in those groups. See if there's something there for her outside of school band where she can make it her own thing. She may not be in to it, but who knows?

The other stuff sound completely normal.

 
Has she ever visited any colleges? Taken tours?
Yes. It's not like she's said she DOESN'T want to go. She just seems ambivalent about going.
Try this approach:

Listen daughter, I'd like to talk to you about your lack of enthusiasm about going to college.

Here you have curfew, the lights out times, confiscated communications devices and the nickering and nagging (oh and no controlled substances).

In college there will be none of that.

WTF is wrong with you?

j/k you may not want to go down that route but at least she'd go to college ;)

 
Shtick aside, I'm sure many kids come off as ambivalent about college and end up doing just fine. I'd suspect that if you talk to a number of high-performing HS kids - which I would consider your daughter to be, considering her GPA - most of them will outwardly come off like they don't really care. That's how teens are. I'm sure I was the same way when I was 17.

 
So explore the music thing more. Take her to some shows that use clarinet, maybe see if you can get her some introductions to people who play in those groups. See if there's something there for her outside of school band where she can make it her own thing. She may not be in to it, but who knows?

The other stuff sound completely normal.
We've done a lot of that. Going to the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra, etc.

Has she ever visited any colleges? Taken tours?
Yes. It's not like she's said she DOESN'T want to go. She just seems ambivalent about going.
Well she is 17, that's not too uncommon to ambivalent about things.
Isn't that the truth?

smoke a joint with your daughter and have a talk about things
Says the guy with the Mcconaughey avatar. Couldn't BE more perfect. :lol:

 

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