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I'm not a Bears fan, but when the best endorsement you can make is that he's better than what the Bears had before, that's not saying much. I've never gotten the impression that there was much value he added to the team. I guess he's generally a stabilizing personality at the helm and he's got a decent defensive scheme, but I don't really sense a direction with him. Maybe Martz and Cutler will form a deadly duo, but in terms of what Lovie contributes personally . . .
You know who else has a lot of head coaches as coordinators? Another 3-0 team, the Chiefs.Seems like a good formula for success to add failed head coaches. They usually got there because they were great coordinators and/or position coaches, but failed for a variety of reasons. Settling back into a role where they can focus on the X's & O's of their specific side of the ball while having that overall view experience has to be a huge advantage over the average coaching staff.
Yeah, I don't see how having an experienced staff is a bad thing. The issue for me is that Lovie is just average as a head coach. He's a step above Chan Gailey and Wade Phillips and John Fox, two steps above Tom Cable, and a step below Tomlin, a couple below Belichick, etc. I don't dislike him, but his bland personality is precisely in line with his very nondescript head coaching skills. He's just average.
What type of in-game decisions does he make that scream average HC to you?
If you're referring to going for it on 4th down, you're wrong.
Does he stand out as an above-average game manager to you? He's pretty non-descript to me. I have nothing bad to say, but nothing good either. (Andy Reid, for example, I criticize all the time because of his terrible clock management and his ridiculously pass-heavy play calling; Jason Garrett too for too much passing.) Frankly, Lovie doesn't stand out as much of anything except for the fact that his Bears teams tend to play solid defense, at least when Urlacher's healthy, but then that's done with his defensive coordinator hat on - Pete Carroll was much the same way a decade ago during his last NFL head coaching stint. My issues with him are macro issues - what direction does he give his team? What is their goal as a team? Is it clear? I don't get that sense with him.
Used to love Lovie, but getting to the NFC title game was because of a great Defense in spite of a terrible o-line. That D isn't nearly the same as it was last year and the o-line has gotten worse. Barring a huge turnaround, Lovie and Martz are toast.
560 Winning %, 2 NFC Championship Games and a Super Bowl Appearanceand they've produced up to the talent? I'd love to see what he could do with some.
I would like to see Lovie talk once during a game..no matter what happens he just stands there looking confused.I thought he was a rah rah type of coach when he was with the Rams.
Some of the games other greats, like Jim Caldwell, have clearly studied long and hard on how to match Lovie's on field demeanor. "Intensity or confusion? Just keep staring straight ahead and no one will ever know"
He got off to a decent start but since 2008 he is 2-6 against the Packers (includes postseason)When the Bears win it is despite Lovie, not because of him.
7-6 counting the loss this season. Still better than the decade of "Dominance" prior to his arrival.
How hot does the seat need to be in a cold weather city like Chicago?'Raider Nation said:
I'll give you those - but Lovie continually did what he did last night as an in-game coach; which is, waste two time outs (one on a horrible attempt to challenge a call which had no chance of being overturned...which has been a trend) to go for it on 4th and short when he should have kicked a field goal all along. In a 0-0 game on the road, you take the points. Yes, there are aspects of the team that are dreadful (which Angelo should also be canned for) - but that doesn't automatically lift all the blame off Lovie - who routinely makes bad in-game decisions and allows his offensive coordinator to do some pretty awful game planning. Once again, using last night as an example: How many times does Martz have to call empty backfield, no help for his tackles protection scheme before Lovie walks over (or over the headset) says, "Ummm, Mike? Could we run a few max-protect plays or at least keep a TE or back in to chip to help out our bad OT on the road in a loud environment so our QB can actually stop running for his life to throw the ball once or twice?"The Bears continually start the game looking unprepared and suprised that the other team actually showed up. The comment by Jaws last night that the Bears should think about going to a silent count...REALLY? Think about it? They should have planned to start the game with it, knowing that the home crowd would be jacked. But no - the Bears aren't ready and have 4 false starts in the first 7 offensive snaps. Way to be ready. Oh and news flash to the Bears coaching staff: Calvin Johnson is pretty fast. Later in the game the safeties were playing deeper to "protect against a big play by Johnson" - too bad it took a long TD for them to figure that out - I mean, it's not like Johnson has ever gone long for a TD yet this season. This entire coaching staff needs to be launched. The defense is giving up big plays (which they are specifically designed NOT to....allegedly). The o-line will give up 8 sacks during the bye week. The WRs are poor. The TE is dropping passes, when he isn't false starting. And it seems as though the OC's main plan is to get Cutler killed as quickly as possible. All starting with inferior talent drafted and signed by Angelo - then that inferior talent is played out of position and in bad play calling by the coaching staff. Look at the o-line:A center is starting at guard (who we payed $3 for), the other guard was the tackle who was a first round bust as a tackle. The two tackles? One is repeatedly benched because he is so bad (and he, BTW, was a guard his entire career before getting to the Bears). The center, is a guy who was a guard his entire career - until this year. The left tackle was a late round draft pick...who was playing right tackle last season.Or WR:You have, as your #1 WR EITHER (depending on who you listen to and on which day) a washed up veteran who has a total of 6 receptions for 81 yards...THIS SEASON and hasn't had more than 600 receiving yards since 2007! - or - a converted defensive back who never started a game at WR until 2008...on any level. In fact, when asked why he didn't play offense in college, he stated that he didn't like offense. Oh and whichever one of those two gems isn't your #1 WR, is the one starting opposite the "#1" (frankly, I think they are both number two WRs...and I don't mean second best).And the fine general manager has virtually all of these misfits under contract for the future...except one. MATT "I AM THE OFFENSE" FORTE! Good work there - sign everyone except the best player (save for maybe Cutler - but with no time, it's hard to tell). As far as I'm concerned start with JA, and fire him and everyone below. Done.'Sam Quentin said:
Nice analysis.
You must have missed the part where Jaws commented "...and the Bears end the first quarter with only 1 timeout...that's nothing new to Bear fans...".The Bears are forced to waste timeouts every week - for silly reasons. And in the situation last night, they didn't burn 1 timeout - they burned 2. One for the offsides attempt and one on the failed challenge. And if you watched the game, you would also know that they really didn't even have a decent chance to draw the Lions off, because they didn't even get the play in and get up to the line with much time left on the play clock (which is also not new) Lovie coached a bad game...again.
If you're the home team and you can work the crowd to assist, sure. If you're away- and have penalties to credit with most of your move down the field- take the 3 pt gift and get cute later. At least line up differently the 2nd time even if you still plan on handing off to your bellcow.
yeah ok I half agree with that aside from the fact that cutler and forte are the main guys who are gone what you expect would happen'BusterTBronco said:
Ummmm. No. Please don't comment on games you didn't watch. TIA'BusterTBronco said:
There are no "hot seats" in Lovie's world, evidently.
This post says alot of the items I was going to raise. he has no clue about offense. Nine years of PATHETIC offenses in his tenure.One other thing that bugs the crap out of me - he won't answer a question honestly. He gives a meaningless BS answer in that boring drone to every question asked by the media. I CANNOT STAND BS'ers.
Except they did
