Maybe I'm naive, but I don't get this. He's a single guy partying with women. If he forced somebody to have sex with him, that's a crime, and I would like to see him in prison. But there is no evidence that this ever happened. Therefore, any suspension seems unfair to me. And I also don't know why we're condemning him.
that's not true. There just isnt enough in the opinion of the DA to get a conviction.My opinion is that this was basically a classic
date rape situation. You have an intoxicated girl who says
she doesnt know whether they had sex or not. Evidence shows that she did have sex (laceration, brusing, and bleeding in the genital area along with DNA being found, albeit not enough to ID the other party). If you had sex, but cant remember if you did or not, it sounds like there probably wasnt consent. Tough to prove in court, but evidence of wrong doing nonetheless.
I think the NFL suspends him 1-2 games and then the Steelers tack on an additional game or other punishment as well.
you're kidding....I mean....fishing right...?
So you think somebody who doesnt recall what happened 10 minutes prior had the capacity to consent?
the drunk/consent is has been discussed in the other thread....let's break down what you posted.....
1. date rape....pretty strong accusation....never accused of rape
according to the DA that is exactly what he was accused of
2. says she doesn't know if she had sex or not 10 minutes ago.....yet she immediately goes to the police...if she doesn't even know if anything happened....what reason does she have to go to the po-po....?...this basically tells us she has no idea if anything even happened or not.....Ben came out and admitted contact, but that could be from very minor to very major.....he never denied contact
What you're saying here makes little sense. She didnt know if she had sex. He friends were concerned she was raped, so they did the rape kit.
3. evidence says she did have sex....ok....but we have no idea who with....could she have had sex earlier in the evening before she went clubbing....?....with someone else earlier in a bathroom somewhere else....
again, not sure what you're saying here, other than not using common sense to what happened in the bathroom. This is grasping at straws a la Kobe
4. first you say she doesn't even know if they had sex or not....now it's she didn't consent...I would imagine if you are so drunk to where you don't even know if you even had sex, you probably wouldn't remember if you consented or not......but it's not like we really sign a consent form or officially announce " I consent to doing this" before we get our freak on.....
I said she didnt have the capacity to consent. Which was obvious based on a failure to even recollect what happened.
5. when you said wrong doing.....does that mean they did it wrong....or it just didn't go the way it should of....
it means he took advantage of somebody. sometimes that can be criminal
if you want to come out and accuse him of something fine.....but there may be just as good of a chance that he did nothing wrong as there is that he did something wrong.....we don't know why she is not continuing to pursue this at this time...the bottom line is that one of the reasons very well could be that Ben did nothing wrong....until that is eliminated, everything else is just speculation.....
i'm accusing him of banging a chick who probably was resisting, but not forcefully and likely wasnt aware of what was going on. That is a common intoxicated date rape scenario. The circumstances surrounding such instances, however, are also why they often are not prosecuted or lead to a conviction