A reception is far more significant than a RB carry? - Reception or Carry is insignificant - It's the Yardage and scoring that matters and only that. A reception for -1 yards is not equal to a carry for 10 yds ... not even debatableA reception is far more significant than a RB carry. It takes work to get receptions. Either way, this is the kind of thing that no internet argument is going to solve. I doubt you've played PPR. Once you play it, it opens the whole league up. In my non-ppr days, wr's were virtually meaningless, aside from the top 10.10 yds is a 1st down and has moved u 10 yds closer to the opposing teams end zone1 point per 10 yards receiving is less arbitrary?Yeah PPR is kinda silly ... it doesn't represent real productionI dunno, number 1 in PPR?How does anyone think this guy is a stud? I would be shocked if he is top 12 in standard scoring leagues after week 3
Every week I feel like I'm at a disadvantage with my supposed #1 WR going up against the other teams #1 WR.
week
13 - vs Hopkins (julio lose) 10 - 12
12 - vs Calvin (julio destroyed) 4- 24
11 - vs John Freakin Brown (julio barely wins) 12.5 - 9.5 luckily AB was on a bye
10 - Bye
09 - vs Sanders (julio loses) 10 - 14
08 - vs Cooks (julio loses) 15 - 19
07 - vs Cooper (julio loses) 12 - 18
06 - vs Robinson (julio loses) 10 -11.5
In some odd way Julio Jones is my weakest link ... I'm always starting at a disadvantage
The object of the game is to move the ball down field and score. Catching a ball may or may not contribute to that at all.
It's nonsense and no different that rewarding a QB for completions or a RB for carries
Also, non-ppr relies far too much on touchdowns, imo, which further enhances the luck, which I don't like.
I don't know what qualifies as special but for most of the past six years Ryan has statistically been one of the top QBs in the NFL.SameSongNDance said:Ryan is not special, Shanahan is not a good OC and this passing offense is completely devoid of talent outside of Julio. None of the struggles atm particularly surprise me.
If you knew your 1st round pick would have 2 TDs from game 4-13 you'd probably say ...No Thanks !He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
I Did This WR waiver used to be flush now its dryArodin said:If WRs are meaningless in your league you need to increase the starting requirements. This will work independently of whether you give them ppr or not.
A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
i mean yeah he hasent been great the last few games, but he won me so many early on i have a bye.. still happy having him as my earrlllyyy second round pick.. (over megatron )A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
You don't need to tell me that. I don't expect everyone to know who said what throughout a 28 page thread but I was heavily criticized in this thread for trying to temper the expectations in this thread on Julio this year.102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
He had a fantastic start ... I get that102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
Do me a favor and tell me who is scoring this week?You don't need to tell me that. I don't expect everyone to know who said what throughout a 28 page thread but I was heavily criticized in this thread for trying to temper the expectations in this thread on Julio this year.102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
Still even from my perspective, and he is right on target for my pre-season projections (100+ catches, 1,600+ yards and 10 TDs), I think it is entirely reasonable to be very disappointed in only two TDs over a nine week span, particularly considering how heavily he has been targeted. Even Julio seems to be getting disgruntled by his lack of usage near the goal line.
"100+" is a little ambiguous. He's going to catch 130+ which is monstrous.You don't need to tell me that. I don't expect everyone to know who said what throughout a 28 page thread but I was heavily criticized in this thread for trying to temper the expectations in this thread on Julio this year.102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
Still even from my perspective, and he is right on target for my pre-season projections (100+ catches, 1,600+ yards and 10 TDs), I think it is entirely reasonable to be very disappointed in only two TDs over a nine week span, particularly considering how heavily he has been targeted. Even Julio seems to be getting disgruntled by his lack of usage near the goal line.
If you had to bet your life on one of the 4 Not scoring a TD this week ...who would it be ?Do me a favor and tell me who is scoring this week?You don't need to tell me that. I don't expect everyone to know who said what throughout a 28 page thread but I was heavily criticized in this thread for trying to temper the expectations in this thread on Julio this year.102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
Still even from my perspective, and he is right on target for my pre-season projections (100+ catches, 1,600+ yards and 10 TDs), I think it is entirely reasonable to be very disappointed in only two TDs over a nine week span, particularly considering how heavily he has been targeted. Even Julio seems to be getting disgruntled by his lack of usage near the goal line.
Thats the point, you never know. I rather have the guy who gets used a ton and hope he scores then trying to predict TDs.
Brown
Julio
Beckham
Hopkins
All the same in that aspect. Browns TDs have been down too.
I understand your logic and it is correct by many measures but I would bet on any of those other guys to score a TD over Julio this week, doesn't mean it will happen but that's where the smart money would be. Hopkins has scored in 7 of 12 games, Beckham in 8 of 12 and Brown's TDs really haven't been down with Roethlisberger in the lineup, he has scored in 5 of Ben's 8 games. Julio has found the endzone in 4 of 12 games. That's disappointing by any measure. Seems that those other guys are getting higher quality targets near the end zone.Do me a favor and tell me who is scoring this week?You don't need to tell me that. I don't expect everyone to know who said what throughout a 28 page thread but I was heavily criticized in this thread for trying to temper the expectations in this thread on Julio this year.102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
Still even from my perspective, and he is right on target for my pre-season projections (100+ catches, 1,600+ yards and 10 TDs), I think it is entirely reasonable to be very disappointed in only two TDs over a nine week span, particularly considering how heavily he has been targeted. Even Julio seems to be getting disgruntled by his lack of usage near the goal line.
Thats the point, you never know. I rather have the guy who gets used a ton and hope he scores then trying to predict TDs.
Brown
Julio
Beckham
Hopkins
All the same in that aspect. Browns TDs have been down too.
Okay. I don't play in PPR so didn't really care to delve too deeply into it. His high water mark was 104, which he did once (2014) so I just projected that he would exceed that, which was good enough for my needs."100+" is a little ambiguous. He's going to catch 130+ which is monstrous.You don't need to tell me that. I don't expect everyone to know who said what throughout a 28 page thread but I was heavily criticized in this thread for trying to temper the expectations in this thread on Julio this year.102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
Still even from my perspective, and he is right on target for my pre-season projections (100+ catches, 1,600+ yards and 10 TDs), I think it is entirely reasonable to be very disappointed in only two TDs over a nine week span, particularly considering how heavily he has been targeted. Even Julio seems to be getting disgruntled by his lack of usage near the goal line.
Makes sense you don't play PPR. This is the big difference in opinions in this thread.Okay. I don't play in PPR so didn't really care to delve too deeply into it. His high water mark was 104, which he did once (2014) so I just projected that he would exceed that, which was good enough for my needs."100+" is a little ambiguous. He's going to catch 130+ which is monstrous.You don't need to tell me that. I don't expect everyone to know who said what throughout a 28 page thread but I was heavily criticized in this thread for trying to temper the expectations in this thread on Julio this year.102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
Still even from my perspective, and he is right on target for my pre-season projections (100+ catches, 1,600+ yards and 10 TDs), I think it is entirely reasonable to be very disappointed in only two TDs over a nine week span, particularly considering how heavily he has been targeted. Even Julio seems to be getting disgruntled by his lack of usage near the goal line.
I do remember this. Too bad Julio didn't read this thread. If he had, he would have known months ago that his OC is too stupid to figure out how to get the ball to his best weapon in the red zone.You don't need to tell me that. I don't expect everyone to know who said what throughout a 28 page thread but I was heavily criticized in this thread for trying to temper the expectations in this thread on Julio this year.Still even from my perspective, and he is right on target for my pre-season projections (100+ catches, 1,600+ yards and 10 TDs), I think it is entirely reasonable to be very disappointed in only two TDs over a nine week span, particularly considering how heavily he has been targeted. Even Julio seems to be getting disgruntled by his lack of usage near the goal line.102/1338/6A lot of people in this thread had much higher expectations for Julio at the beginning of the season, particularly in the TD department.And the fact that he has scored in only twice in his last nine games and none in the last three is not something any reasonable person would "take and not look back".He's on pace for 1644 and 7.4 tds. If you were told you would be given that at the beginning of the year from your 1st round pick you take it every time and dont look back. Anyone that argues otherwise has unrealistic expectations or is trolling.
Dont set your expectations to high or anything. League leader in those stats except for TDs, those will come.
Those criticizing Julio look like spoiled children upset he doesnt get 8/120/1 every week.
Over 100 catches in week 13 and people had much higher expectations? Unbelievable.
Non-ppr is for kiddies who struggle with math and those who score poorly on the Wonderlic.PPR is for little girlsWell in 0.5PPR, he's WR6 over weeks 4-13.How does anyone think this guy is a stud? I would be shocked if he is top 12 in standard scoring leagues after week 3
No offense
too many numbers for him to comprehendNon-ppr is for kiddies who struggle with math and those who score poorly on the Wonderlic.PPR is for little girlsWell in 0.5PPR, he's WR6 over weeks 4-13.How does anyone think this guy is a stud? I would be shocked if he is top 12 in standard scoring leagues after week 3
No offense
it's not Julio to me, it's ryan. I never really watched him too much before but he doesn't appear to have any zip to his throws. has it always been that way. I can't see them doing anything against norman so will probably regret sitting him, but just not a good matchupYou can't sit him. He's just too good. Here's hoping the OC starts using him. Ire on quick slants like he did earlier this year and that Ryan gets out of his slump and starts looking to him. Ore in the red zone. I'd rather have him do nothing most of the year then explode during the playoffs than tear it up all year and go silent when needed most.
This is precisely what it is.#3 in my non ppr. I'm beginning to think this is just recency bias. He hasn't had a trademark monster game for a few weeks. No one was making these turd julio-hating arguments early in the season.
going Baldwin as of now. dude has been on fire the last few weeks, bad man getting his feet wet is lighting it up and Atlanta is going the opposite way.More power to you if you have a legit starter over Julio.
Aaron Rodgers and the Packers looked like absolute garbage against the Panthers.Any team with a decent QB has been posting huge numbers on the Panthers defense. I expect a huge week from Julio.
Demaryius Thomas is 6th in my PPT League.Dude is #1 in my PPR league. Over 100 catches and over 1300 yards through 3/4 of a football season? That's pretty damn impressive. Basically almost matched his totals from 2014 already.
There's a lot of guys whose production you can be disappointed in this year but Julio isn't one of them.
Where does he rank from weeks 4-13?#3 in my non ppr. I'm beginning to think this is just recency bias. He hasn't had a trademark monster game for a few weeks. No one was making these turd julio-hating arguments early in the season.
ODB and TY Hilton. Who do you start?More power to you if you have a legit starter over Julio.
369 yards and 4 TDs for RodgersAaron Rodgers and the Packers looked like absolute garbage against the Panthers.Any team with a decent QB has been posting huge numbers on the Panthers defense. I expect a huge week from Julio.
More power to you that you can be in a league and own Julio, ODB and TY.ODB and TY Hilton. Who do you start?More power to you if you have a legit starter over Julio.
Good things those weeks have nothing to do with Week 14 then huh?Where does he rank from weeks 4-13?#3 in my non ppr. I'm beginning to think this is just recency bias. He hasn't had a trademark monster game for a few weeks. No one was making these turd julio-hating arguments early in the season.
I have no dog in your two's discussion, other than I side with always starting Julio.More power to you that you can be in a league and own Julio, ODB and TY.ODB and TY Hilton. Who do you start?More power to you if you have a legit starter over Julio.
What's so hard about that?More power to you that you can be in a league and own Julio, ODB and TY.ODB and TY Hilton. Who do you start?More power to you if you have a legit starter over Julio.
I've got AJ Green, Allen Robinson, and Sammy Watkins (@Philly) and there's no way I'm benching Julio.What's so hard about that?More power to you that you can be in a league and own Julio, ODB and TY.ODB and TY Hilton. Who do you start?More power to you if you have a legit starter over Julio.
what if u have Julio (Drafted) ODJ (Drafted), Evans(Traded) and Jeffery(Traded) and M Bryant (Drafted)? and laugh at anyone who faces you (i can start 4)More power to you that you can be in a league and own Julio, ODB and TY.ODB and TY Hilton. Who do you start?More power to you if you have a legit starter over Julio.
Where am I saying he isn't one of the "studliest in the league"? The guy is a supreme athlete, perhaps the most physically gifted WRs in the NFL (certainly in the conversation). That is what makes his lack of TDs, relative to his usage, so disappointing. But I still start him without question or hesitation every week.Good things those weeks have nothing to do with Week 14 then huh?Where does he rank from weeks 4-13?#3 in my non ppr. I'm beginning to think this is just recency bias. He hasn't had a trademark monster game for a few weeks. No one was making these turd julio-hating arguments early in the season.
I'm not one for attacking anyones opinion, but you are trying to make it look like the guy who leads the league in yards and catches is not great or elite because he hasnt gotten the number of TDs you expected, just because you do not play in PPR is not our problem or anyone elses. You look like a troll in this thread, and I know that is not your attempt even if your last post screams it, but I have to call this just pouty anger at his TDs, because you cant reasonable believe that Julio is not one of the studliest in the league.
You cant have a different opinion on facts or his production in that regard, he is leading the league in catches and yards. It is indisputable that he is an elite producer as he is top of every fantasy leagues scoring. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. I also clearly said I did not think you were trolling even though your posts scream it but after this last comment I have changed my mind and I believe that is all you are doing.And having a differing opinion about the quality of Julio's production is not trolling. Sorry you see it that way. It's not my M.O. so please accept that and move on.
I would be thrilled if it plays out that way. If he is going to have a monster game or two before the end of the year I would love to see it happen in week 15 or 16 (preferably both) instead of week 14.As a Julio owner with a 1st Round Bye, I'm actually rooting for him to have a modest showing against Carolina on the road this week. Then the offense makes the proper adjustments so he can vindicate himself against Norman at home in Week 16... provided I'm fortunate enough to make it to the finals in Week 16.
But hey that's just my selfish agenda. Doesn't help those teams who need him this week. Anyone else rolling with this thought process?