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Well....Love the measurables and he looks good on tape but I don't really see much of a role this year without injuries. Still he's a great stash in deeper dynasty leagues.
Well....Love the measurables and he looks good on tape but I don't really see much of a role this year without injuries. Still he's a great stash in deeper dynasty leagues.
I'm grappling with the same thing. Concerned that Williams falls flat like Inman or at best, has the occasional big game on a few long receptions.After looking at it my concern is that the SD offense took a big hit without Allen last year, plus Williams is still no. 3 on the depth chart. I also see more reliance on Woodhead & Gates in the offing. Otoh Inman did very little with his opportunity last year, and Benjamin doesn't seem special to me. I'd love to add him as a flyer but there seems to be a lot of WR sleeper action this year between Fuller, Sharpe, Hogan, Snead, etc., point just being he may be more of a risk in picking him up only to discover he is purely a deep target.
Agreed, on a bare wire you're better off picking up a guy who might see targets. Hard to predict someone with a TD or long gainer on 5 or less targets is primed for a breakout.I'm grappling with the same thing. Concerned that Williams falls flat like Inman or at best, has the occasional big game on a few long receptions.
None of the Fullers, Sharpee, Hogans or Sneads are available in my deep league, so I am looking at a Kerley type with less upside but more predictability.
Nice play underneath and I guess Allen was still in there too at that point.http://www.chargers.com/video/2016/09/13/xs-and-os-good-sign-tyrell-williams
They do game film breakdowns from time to time. Here's one of them puffing up tyrell after this weekend.
This post , to me, deserves consideration for Post of The Year. Condensing a year's worth of chatter to a single 30 second blurb on WW day is invaluable.It's worth rereading this thread from the start, but highlights are that...
It's worth rereading this thread from the start, but highlights are that
- he came from a small school last year and was undrafted
- he has great height and measurables (90th percentile SPARQ guy)
- he started out very raw but made a couple big plays in the 2015 preseason and the team kept him on the 53 man roster which is unusual for a raw prospect unless you don't want to lose him
- ended up releasing him/signing him to practice squad, then calling him back up in november last year
- he reportedly made a huge leap in year two
- had some dominant training camp performances
- got dinged in training camp and was apparently secure enough in his spot that the team rested him
- had two catches for 71 in an ot game where keenan allen was hurt, although by the time that happened, the chargers were up big and trying to protect the lead so they weren't passing downfield much
- earned nicknames like tyrell moss because he's six three and a half, runs a low 4.4 and is an athlete. He's a little wirey and was so raw coming out that he probably wasn't going to break out fuly on his own this september but with an increased opportunity now he is really intriguing.
Many thanks to the guys who started and updated this thread along the way
I couldn't disagree more with this. If your team is already in position that you need to rely on a guy like Kerley, you probably aren't looking at a good season. Williams is the type of player who could blow up and finish as a WR1. Unlikely yes, but the potential is there. That is exactly who I prefer to pick up late in drafts and early in the season off the waiver wire.BobbyLayne said:Agreed, on a bare wire you're better off picking up a guy who might see targets. Hard to predict someone with a TD or long gainer on 5 or less targets is primed for a breakout.zamboni said:I'm grappling with the same thing. Concerned that Williams falls flat like Inman or at best, has the occasional big game on a few long receptions.
None of the Fullers, Sharpee, Hogans or Sneads are available in my deep league, so I am looking at a Kerley type with less upside but more predictability.
Kerley has had opportunities before and been unable to sustain consistency. i like the Jets WR3 Enunwa and Eli Rogers but not plugging them in until bye weeks begin.
It is worth noting that Inman and Williams played 80% and 60%, respectively, of the snaps in week 1. Yet Williams had 5 targets to Inman's 3. Both of their snap counts should go up, but Williams' obviously has more room to increase, and he already got more targets.SaintsInDome2006 said:After looking at it my concern is that the SD offense took a big hit without Allen last year, plus Williams is still no. 3 on the depth chart. I also see more reliance on Woodhead & Gates in the offing. Otoh Inman did very little with his opportunity last year, and Benjamin doesn't seem special to me.
This post is from august 11th. I'm a sucker for stuff like this. Not beating guys in practice, where he gets to face the chargers defense every day. It's the confidence in that first story. A small school udfa who got cut to the practice squad as a rookie should be thinking about his job. That was a big gamble. It's not just that he was confident enough to say play it again, or that he was good enough to win. It's not even that he wanted to improve. It's that he must have been doing well enough this summer that he felt confident enough to tell the coaches run it again, and they felt he was enough of a prioity to break the practice rhythm and do it again. At the time he was ostensibly behind allen, benjamin, stevie, and inman, and he wasn't afraid at all and the coaches thought he was worth the extra time. Him scoring a td in practice means nothing to me - everyone should do that at some point. Getting positive reviews or a cool nickname sounds good but everyone gets good press in early august.http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/8/8/12407284/chargers-training-camp-notes-tyrell-williams-is-a-terror
Tyrell Williams did his best TO impression today looking almost unstoppable catching 3 TDs in practice plus he put a little stank on it too. In 1-on-1 drills today he was matched up with CB Casey Hayward and Hayward ended up getting the incompletion on tight coverage. Williams then rolled his finger around to signal to go again and said something to the effect of "run it back." Hayward didn't hear Williams and was walking back to the sideline when a coach yelled out "Casey, Tyrell wants to go again." Hayward swings around points at his chest and runs to go at it again. The result of that play was a TD that left Hayward standing still. Here it is (you might have to view in on Vine):
As an encore, to end 11-on-11's Tyrell Williams caught back-to-back TD passes to end the session. That's not even including all the other catches Williams racked up today. Excellent.
http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/8/6/12395666/five-takeaways-from-chargers-fanfest-2016
Tyrell Williams is the real deal; period, the end. The man some have nicknamed "Tyrell Moss" had his best play in 11-on-11 when he stretched Jason Verrett vertically down the near sideline and split #22 and Addae for a catch on a perfectly thrown jump ball from Rivers. He has arguably been the story of camp and should provide some big play ability this season. The man just stands out no matter who is matched up with.
I disagree. On the fade route, the defender did make a nice play, but Williams ran a poor route and would have landed out of bounds if he made the catch. That was presumably his inexperience showing.This dude was inches away from two TDs last week. First one defender made a great play to deflect a corner TD at the last second.
And those stories were coming out almost every day throughout training camp.This post is from august 11th. I'm a sucker for stuff like this. Not beating guys in practice, where he gets to face the chargers defense every day. It's the confidence in that first story. A small school udfa who got cut to the practice squad as a rookie should be thinking about his job. That was a big gamble. It's not just that he was confident enough to say play it again, or that he was good enough to win. It's not even that he wanted to improve. It's that he must have been doing well enough this summer that he felt confident enough to tell the coaches run it again, and they felt he was enough of a prioity to break the practice rhythm and do it again. At the time he was ostensibly behind allen, benjamin, stevie, and inman, and he wasn't afraid at all and the coaches thought he was worth the extra time. Him scoring a td in practice means nothing to me - everyone should do that at some point. Getting positive reviews or a cool nickname sounds good but everyone gets good press in early august.
This seems more tangible to me, like the story where michael thomas and brees did a sight adjustment thry had never discussed on a play they had never run but they made eye contact and brees threw it to him and he was there. That stuff sticks with me.
Yup, you are right. I missed his front foot landing out of bounds upon first watch. It was close, though.I disagree. On the fade route, the defender did make a nice play, but Williams ran a poor route and would have landed out of bounds if he made the catch. That was presumably his inexperience showing.
I just watched the cutups too. I liked that he was targeted on a variety of routes inlcuding the play in the RZ. And a Go route where it looked like he got behind a pretty good corner in Marcus Peters. On his second catch he did a good job of getting a little extra depth behind the defender in the zone.Just watched SSND's Williams cutups from week 1. This dude was inches away from two TDs last week. First one defender made a great play to deflect a corner TD at the last second. The second one, Williams was streaking up the sideline with only about 20 yards of green and a jukeable safety remaining when the corner barely pushed him out.
He hits those TDs and we're looking at a line of 3-100-2 and the #1 waiver pickup this week, easily, with Keenan out.
All of that might mean nothing. Or it might mean everything.
I couldn't disagree more with this. If your team is already in position that you need to rely on a guy like Kerley, you probably aren't looking at a good season. Williams is the type of player who could blow up and finish as a WR1. Unlikely yes, but the potential is there. That is exactly who I prefer to pick up late in drafts and early in the season off the waiver wire.
Not just number 1 add but a shoot your entire ropey wad on him type pickup. I've added and I'm crossing my fingers this works out like Keenan Allen did for me a years ago when Malcom was hurt.Just watched SSND's Williams cutups from week 1. This dude was inches away from two TDs last week. First one defender made a great play to deflect a corner TD at the last second. The second one, Williams was streaking up the sideline with only about 20 yards of green and a jukeable safety remaining when the corner barely pushed him out.
He hits those TDs and we're looking at a line of 3-100-2 and the #1 waiver pickup this week, easily, with Keenan out.
All of that might mean nothing. Or it might mean everything.
Sure feels like writers for RW are reading along here sometimes.We obviously couldn't ask for much more in terms of an opportunity. If the talent is as good as we hoped, it will show through now.
The word definitely seems to be out now- I've had a couple of offers and numerous feelers for Williams this week in my dynasty leagues.
Philip Rivers talked up second-year WR Tyrell Williams as a player the Chargers "need to catch a bunch of balls this year."
"We need him to catch a bunch of balls this year — a bunch of balls and have some huge days and big gains," said Rivers. At 6-foot-4, 204 with 4.43 speed, the Chargers could look to Williams to fill the old Malcom Floyd role as Travis Benjamin and Dontrelle Inman run shorter routes to help compensate for Keenan Allen's loss. Williams needs to be owned in all Dynasty leagues and is worth a long re-draft look, as well. Allen was headed for a surefire 150-plus-target season, clearing a ton of opportunity for San Diego's remaining pass catchers.
Source: Michael Gehlken on Twitter
I did something silimar, but I also picked up Inman for free because we don't know how things will shake out between them.I got impulsive. Spent $14 on him when $5 would have done it.
Hope he plays well!
Depends on your team. Rogers will probably be more consistent, but his upside is capped as long as Brown is healthy. Williams is probably more of a risk, but the reward could be bigger as he only has to contend with the solid but nothing special (and diminutive) Benjamin.I have a choice in my PPR League....pick up Eli Rogers [from Pittburgh] who had 7 targets [6 catches] and 59 yards and 1 TD or Tyrell Williams....not an easy choice to consider.
Thoughts/Opinions either way [objectively of course whether you own Williams or not]. Thanks guys!
It is such a hard decision to choose between the 2 receivers. On one hand...Antonio Brown will draw a lot of attention and Williams is replacing the #1WR on the Charges [in Keenan Allen] but will have Gates, Woodhead, Gordon and Travis Benjamin to keep them honest. Then...I look at who has the worst defense of the 2 teams [Charges or Steelers]. Common sense wise...who ever has the worst defense.....their respective offenses will have to throw more which means more "probability" of greater PPR points. If that is the case....then the nod goes to Tyrell Williams as [I believe] the Chargers have worse of a defense than the Steelers....but that is open to debate obviously.Depends on your team. Rogers will probably be more consistent, but his upside is capped as long as Brown is healthy. Williams is probably more of a risk, but the reward could be bigger as he only has to contend with the solid but nothing special (and diminutive) Benjamin.
If your team is in need of a higher floor guy, choose Eli over Tyrell. I like the E. Sanders comparison above. Steady but not spectacular....although will have hisDepends on your team. Rogers will probably be more consistent, but his upside is capped as long as Brown is healthy. Williams is probably more of a risk, but the reward could be bigger as he only has to contend with the solid but nothing special (and diminutive) Benjamin.
Yes. Over Watkins. Per BloomTimmay said:The hype train is roaring down the tracks. Anyone starting him this week?
Ballsy. I am going Watkins tonight, assuming he plays.Yes. Over Watkins. Per Bloom
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Might be starting him over Demaryius Thomas, depending on DT's hip injury.Timmay said:The hype train is roaring down the tracks. Anyone starting him this week?
Having a heck of a time deciding what to do with Sammy tonight.Yes. Over Watkins. Per Bloom
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In case you are interested I am trying to start a conversation about the decisions people are making on Watkins in the Watkins thread.Having a heck of a time deciding what to do with Sammy tonight.