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Hall of the Very Good? No.Hall of the Somewhat Above Average? Yes.
True, and Joe Theismann was top 3 in both passing yards and TDs from '76 to '85.
It would be a shame to forget what he accomplished in his career based on the last 2 years. He was a very good QB for many years, but not HOF worthy imo.
Hall of the Somewhat Above Average guys go to 5 conference championships?You got some tough standards my man.
Did you just start following football the past 2-3 years?It is a shame what his post-Philly troubles have done to his reputation. I don't think he is a Hall of Famer, but he didn't end up being that far off.
Sorry to hijack with nitpicking but it just struck me as funny that you are considering Brees in the generation after McNabb and Rivers and Romo in the same generation with McNabb.
Call them the same generation, I don't really care. I don't really have the data at my fingertips right now, but IIRC, I believe that there were usually 10+ QBs that played in each particular decade (obviously some careers overlapped). The point being, voters have elected a ton of QBs, and for the generation of the 00s, there don't appear to be 10-12 guys that appear to be legit HOF candidates and they have inducted that many from every decade so far.Sorry to hijack with nitpicking but it just struck me as funny that you are considering Brees in the generation after McNabb and Rivers and Romo in the same generation with McNabb.
Sorry, just never been a fan. Even at his best, he was still an inaccurate passer who could never win the big game and never really made the players around him better. The Eagles offensive system did a good job of disguising his weaknesses.'Kwai Chang Caine said:
I wasn't arguing your point. Just thought it funny that you didn't seem to realize that Brees has been in the league 3 years longer than Rivers and Romo. Carry on.Call them the same generation, I don't really care. I don't really have the data at my fingertips right now, but IIRC, I believe that there were usually 10+ QBs that played in each particular decade (obviously some careers overlapped). The point being, voters have elected a ton of QBs, and for the generation of the 00s, there don't appear to be 10-12 guys that appear to be legit HOF candidates and they have inducted that many from every decade so far.Sorry to hijack with nitpicking but it just struck me as funny that you are considering Brees in the generation after McNabb and Rivers and Romo in the same generation with McNabb.
pretty amazing what the guy achieved considering such egregious shortcomings.
No.
Hell No.
#### No.
Forget the stats. They're irrelevant. Guy wasn't good. Guy was never good, I saw him in college and he was even more frustrating then than he was as a pro. He's not the kind of guy that deserves the honor. He never did the homework. Never did the prep. Didn't bother. When I saw him in college, he'd have us playing well against the good teams, then the next week he'd fail to even show up against the lousy teams and he'd blow our record. Guy had Marvin Harrison on one side and Kevin Johnson on the other and couldn't make the offense work enough to reach more than one decent bowl game in four years.
He never had the game in his head, especially when he made pro. The lack of prep always showed. Always looked a bit confused and one step behind when trying to run the two-minute drill. Couldn't read a defense right. Was never fully aware of the situation.
That's not the kind of guy you want future players looking up to. Not the guy that deserves to even be in the conversation with the guys already in Canton.
I guess we'll find out!
Pssst... Cris Carter isn't there yet, and neither is Tim Brown.
While he didn't elevate guys to "otherwordly" status like Brady did for Welker, Todd Pinkston begs to differ with your opinion. That guy would have been lucky to be remembered in the same breath as Sly Morris and Snoop Minnis if not for McNabb.
Seems to me that Namath should have met the same fate.
Aikman doesn't exactly have a great stat argument going for him.
Kenny Stabler.
Not Aikman.
Jim Kelly? McNabb went to five conference championship games, Kelly only four. I guess going 4-0 vs. 1-4 makes a big difference in HOF consideration.
Yup -- Kelly. Interesting to compare the numbers.
I am always leary to compare players from different eras, even if they are only 10 years or so apart. The game changed immensely from the 90s to the 00s. Put another way, Kerry Collins career numbers are better than all but a few QBs that played pre-1980. Does anyone think Collins is a HOFer?IMO, the best way people should evaluate players is in to compare them to their immediate peers. For example, Corey Dillon looks great compared to guys from the 70s and 80s. Put compare him to guys he played with and suddenly he doesn't look so great.Getting back to McNabb, given that we are at an all time high in terms of passing numbers, wouldn't it make logical sense to induct MORE players from this generation? By comparison, the numbers in the 70s passing wise were pretty low . . . and there are probably fewer HOF QBs from that time frame. (The early to mid 70s passing was not all that prevelant, mostly due to the rules that defenders could beat up the receivers.)I think some people are being overly critical about McNabb's career as a whole. Yes, he never won a title . . . but he played on some successful teams, consistently advanced in the playoffs, had an excellent winning percentage, and had a strong TD to INT ratio. I get that he did not have 4000 yard passing seasons, but that was mostly due to him getting dinged and not playing all 16 games.I don't think McNabb is a great HOF candidate, but I think he is worthy of more consideration than "No. /thread."
True, but that's primarily due to the fact that he didn't play 16 games in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009 and 2010 (he was on pace for 4000 yards all 5 seasons). And he was on pace for 25 TDs 4 other times.
