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Hurricane Katrina- 10 years later (1 Viewer)

timschochet

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Seems like just yesterday. Anybody that was in the area have any recollections they'd like to share?

In retrospect, was it just to blame the Bush Administration? FEMA? The Governor of Louisiana? The Mayor of New Orleans?

In retrospect, what could have been done differently to save lives?

And are we better prepared for next time?

 
The Bush Administration was blamed for Katrina?
I did. At the time I was really pissed. I watched those poor people at the Superdome, and then I saw pictures of Bush nonchalantly chatting it up with buddies and saying what a great job "Brownie" had done, and it burned me up. Now I think I may have overreacted. But at the time I was very angry.

 
Don't you remember Kanye saying Dubya hates black folk? Bush took tons of heat for his handling of Katrina.

 
The Katrina anniversary coincides with Big Daddy Kane meeting that chubby chick in the CVS parking lot. So I always remember it.

 
I remember Mayor Nagin complaining about the lack of Federal assistance after he failed to have the city properly evacuated. As far as I know, he is still in jail for corruption.

Governor Landrieu was an ineffective bump on a log.

Bush was slammed big time. The picture of him looking out the window of Air Force One while he flew over New Orleans was a massive gaffe.

The entire crisis was a complete cluster####.

Imagine the chaos that will ensue after the "Big One" hits the West coast.

 
There were a few people here who lost everything. Guy who paints and used to be a poker player was one of them. Saints Man(RIP) lost everything I think.

 
My wife and I went to lunch at a fantastic neighborhood restaurant, Katie's, while in NO in early January. The restaurant is maybe 1 1/2 miles NW of the French Quarter and sits in the middle of a regular neighborhood just off Canal St. We found out that the restaurant had been closed for quite a while after Katrina because they'd taken in 7 feet of water. And again, this was just a regular neighborhood quite a ways from the levees. Unbelievable.

 
There were a few people here who lost everything. Guy who paints and used to be a poker player was one of them. Saints Man(RIP) lost everything I think.
rabidfireweasel I think?

Haven't thought about Saints Man in a while :(

Thanks for depressing me flap but also thanks for helping me remember SM and what a good guy he was.

 
Yeah that's him. I know there were a couple others. Could probably look back into some of the old threads and find them. Ralph was a good dude.

 
Katrina was the last straw in faith in government for me.

I'm sure FEMA had issues before but everything I had seen and heard of them, on the outside, seemed to be sterling, and an agency you could believe in and trust in, in a non partisan manner.

To learn a hack like brown was operating it as a patronage give back was massively disheartening. Throw the corps in there too.

I didn't spend much time in Nola pre K but I do know that it was and feels like it still is one of the unique places in America. It's a jewel that we need to protect

 
Well my entire family was relocated after Katrina. I was just out of college and started a new job in Baton Rouge. The good news is that everyone has moved on and no one was lost during the storm because they were smart enought to leave. Everyone has settled with a new house and relocated with the same job or has settled with a new one. No one has moved back to St. Bernard parish. While bussinesses are back, there are still some problems with crime in areas where there wasn't any before, unsettled areas that still look as though the storm had happened a month ago and also problems with cleanliness of the water. We miss the times while everyone in the family lived within 10 miles of each other, but we still get together several times a year.

As far as stories. Initially you would hear of stories both good and bad of things that have happened. For instance my uncle's neighbor stayed with his dog. He had to fight off an alligator in his house. He feels his dog saved his life by jumping in the rising waters once he had to relocate to the attic. Initially it seemed like a feel good story, but you realize that he may may not have been able to get the dog in the attic or care for him once in the attic. We don't speak of the stories of the bad that we have heard from former neighbors who lost family members. I think by this time people are just trying to forget those times and move on.

 
Katrina was the last straw in faith in government for me.

I'm sure FEMA had issues before but everything I had seen and heard of them, on the outside, seemed to be sterling, and an agency you could believe in and trust in, in a non partisan manner.

To learn a hack like brown was operating it as a patronage give back was massively disheartening. Throw the corps in there too.

I didn't spend much time in Nola pre K but I do know that it was and feels like it still is one of the unique places in America. It's a jewel that we need to protect
The only way to protect that city, hell that state, is to put it in receivership and remove everyone from public office. Then clean out every policeman. That place is corrupt to its bones.

 
Well my entire family was relocated after Katrina. I was just out of college and started a new job in Baton Rouge. The good news is that everyone has moved on and no one was lost during the storm because they were smart enought to leave. Everyone has settled with a new house and relocated with the same job or has settled with a new one. No one has moved back to St. Bernard parish. While bussinesses are back, there are still some problems with crime in areas where there wasn't any before, unsettled areas that still look as though the storm had happened a month ago and also problems with cleanliness of the water. We miss the times while everyone in the family lived within 10 miles of each other, but we still get together several times a year.

As far as stories. Initially you would hear of stories both good and bad of things that have happened. For instance my uncle's neighbor stayed with his dog. He had to fight off an alligator in his house. He feels his dog saved his life by jumping in the rising waters once he had to relocate to the attic. Initially it seemed like a feel good story, but you realize that he may may not have been able to get the dog in the attic or care for him once in the attic. We don't speak of the stories of the bad that we have heard from former neighbors who lost family members. I think by this time people are just trying to forget those times and move on.
My wife's family lived in da parish. Her parents rebuilt. If not for Katrina my Wife and I probably would have never met.

Horrible times though.

 
Wow, 10 years. That means the wife and I have been together for a decade. :shock:

We had just started seriously dating when it happened. She's born/raised about an hour northwest of NOLA, closer to Baton Rouge. It was devastating to watch, for sure.

We moved to Austin about a year later and ended up getting married in the Garden District. Things were just starting to "get back". Her entire family still lives out there, so it made sense... my family and friends are scattered across the country so a "destination wedding" was fine. Plus, with things there starting to "get back", we got a killer deal on the wedding costs.

I'm not going to pretend to know much about what happened, but it does sound like it was a giant cluster-eff on the part of FEMA and others.

 
Two thoughts:

1) People don't seem to understand the complexity and logistical nightmare responding to Katrina was. The hurricane, by it's nature, destroyed a wide area and caused damage everywhere. Nothing was working- the closer you got to NOLA the more issues there were. It is not like responding to a tornado or even floods or other weather events because... well, a hurricane is all of them rolled into one over a huge area. It was further complicated for Katrina in that it pretty much directly hit a major US city and one that was woefully prepared to take a major hit. There just is not much to compare it to. The hurricanes that caused major damage in Florida before are different because you did not have the levy system as NOLA and Florida is much better prepared. Of course there were plenty of people for various reasons (lack of a city evacuation plan being a huge contributor) that were stuck in NOLA but you have tons of people who made the choice to stay. That complicates and adds stress to a system already broken by the storm. You can't just send people to help because of those people do not have a proper logistical lifeline they end up needing help themselves which adds more stress to the system because your helpers need need in a broken system. Of course there are always lessons to be learned and the leadership of FEMA obviously needs to have experience and background in disaster management or first responders or something and not a horse organization. That said, a significant amount of the attacks were based out of ignorance and/or political partisan attack the other guy mentality that was already gaining much steam against Bush to that point.

2) I still think that a major opportunity was missed to remake that city into an absolute star city above all others in the US. Now, you may love NOLA for a good many reasons that are good reasons but the idea to rebuild basically as was before with better levies was just missing the mark in my view. You could have taken transformed that city into a modern example for all other cities. New public transportation, new city planning, taking the low areas and making them parks etc. But people are stubborn as hell as from what I have heard- not much improvement was made from before. Such a waste with all that money flowing in and an opportunity to start fresh.

 
I think you raise some excellent points here.

Frankly I don't like the notion that ten years later nothing has been done to stop the next one from doing so much damage. Is that really true? Is New Orleans a ticking time bomb?

 
I think you raise some excellent points here.

Frankly I don't like the notion that ten years later nothing has been done to stop the next one from doing so much damage. Is that really true? Is New Orleans a ticking time bomb?
Here you go Tim. The MRGO was one of the contributing factors to the flooding.

http://www.mississippiriverdelta.org/blog/2015/06/08/10-years-post-katrina-where-have-you-gone-mr-go/
Did Bush do that?
 
I think you raise some excellent points here.

Frankly I don't like the notion that ten years later nothing has been done to stop the next one from doing so much damage. Is that really true? Is New Orleans a ticking time bomb?
Here you go Tim. The MRGO was one of the contributing factors to the flooding.

http://www.mississippiriverdelta.org/blog/2015/06/08/10-years-post-katrina-where-have-you-gone-mr-go/
Did Bush do that?
Wouldn't put it past him.

 
I live in Mississippi but am less than 3 hours from NOLA which I love to visit. The last time I was there , it was as good as it ever was, however I don't think the tourism has returned to pre-Katrina levels. The Mississippi Gulf coast was total destroyed on the west side between Gulfport/Biloxi and NOLA. It also hasn't returned. The Casino industry on the MS coast is below pre-Katrina levels.

However, the evacuation and preparation of the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency really saved a lot of lives. Just under 300 deaths despite billions of dollars of damage. After the storm, I think the response in terms of gas, water and power restoration was acceptable.

The NOLA situation was highly politicized but there had been many warnings about the Levees for years . Whose fault that was I cannot say. It was certainly easier to evacuate the Mississippi Gulf coast than the ninth ward due to economics and population density.

However, the local governments on the Mississippi coast just did a better job of storm prep than the NOLA mayor and staff. We in Mississippi will never forget the storm but we have generally positive views of how local government responded. The FEMA response is viewed less favorably but in reality FEMA is mainly a bank funding local emergency management agencies at the State level. It's really up to local government in terms of logistics.

 
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timschochet said:
I think you raise some excellent points here.

Frankly I don't like the notion that ten years later nothing has been done to stop the next one from doing so much damage. Is that really true? Is New Orleans a ticking time bomb?
. So much has been done, but we won't ever be completely safe. No coastal city is BTW....see also hurricane Sandy.
 
Pre katrina we had 800+ restaurants. Today we have over 1400+ and tourists spent 80% more at them now vs 2005. Tourisim is BETTER than before.

 
New flood controls will help...but we won't ever be safe. Remember that Katrina missed us...if it had hit just to our west, it would have been much worse.

 
90% of 800k got out in less than 48 hours...I think we did better than most evacuating...see also Houston trying to leave ahead of Rita.

And the governor was blanco...not a laindreau.

 
Tipsy dropping knowledge.

My in laws stayed and had to be rescued off a roof. The brother saw a little pool floating by the house. He jumped in to get it. My father in law and brother in law held it over my ma in law and sis in law for the duration of the storm.

 
Worst outcomes since....we have no mental health services to speak of, 8 years of Jindal bankrupting the state for his own national agenda which has zero.1 chances. Crime is soaring, gentrification is rampant, and low income workers...like restaurant workers can barely afford to live here.

And BTW..the entire Mississippi coast is a shell of itself.

 
I don't know if I just don't recall or I was just not heavily aware being it was not in my area but it seems crazy that 1800 people died in that storm.

I don't know what I am expecting or what I want to have happened but that is a lot of people in our country for a storm to have claimed.

 
The levee system has been improved, but seriously, the only way to really test them is to have a storm, so who knows.

I was pretty fortunate. The west side of the river was largely spared, so I personally wasn't impacted that much, but I will never forget the first time I came back after the storm. It was so quiet. Kind of creepy. Also, when I went into my old office building to clean out my stuff because the building had been vacated. I had notes I had written myself to do when I got into the office on Monday. It was surreal.

 
I don't know if I just don't recall or I was just not heavily aware being it was not in my area but it seems crazy that 1800 people died in that storm.

I don't know what I am expecting or what I want to have happened but that is a lot of people in our country for a storm to have claimed.
28 ft of water rushed inland up to a mile along Mississippi guld coast. I'm surprised it wasn't higher.
 
All the animals at the aquarium dying because they couldn't get gas supplied (even though 3 different roads would have allowed it....not to mention that big ### river right on its front door) is one of the forgotten travesties. While humans dying in unevacuated nursing homes and hospitals was worse...it still fills me w sadness.

My wife's best friend had a premature baby right before evacuation. She had to watch them airlift her child to unknown destination and it took a week to find out where. One of thousands of emotionally life changing events from that week.

Being one internet w friend in Spain while tàlking to other friend on cell who entered city illegally so he could save his dog...that moment of joy when I got to tell him his dog was OK.

Seeing my stepsisters husband on cover of ny times in a boat in front of his house in Lakeview and finding out in that article they survived but lost everything and three pets drowned.

The day the lower ninth ward reopened...near Xmas...and taking 1000+ photos that still hurt the soul.

Coming into town two weeks after storm ( in a cop car no less) and getting surrounded by a swat team...then cleaning out freezer full of spoiled breast milk...and five refrigerators at restaurant ....yack...just remembered the "taste" of those smells.

Getting the call that power was back on in my hood by Dante's and getting from Chicago to my house in 12 hours flat...that night sleeping in my own bed again...then throwing away 7k in spoiled wine..travesty

So many memories flooding in ..

Oh man...going to Mardi gras that year was the best. Never needed it before...now I know why we had to roll

And let's not forget that first home game the following year...when Gleason blocked the punt and crying during U2 /green day

 

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