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I wasn't using ypc as a rough proxy for fantasy worth, I was using it as a rough proxy for speed. You expect speed guys to start losing a step at 30, but Glenn and Galloway held their speed for a while after 30.
I find that my opinion on Hernandez is more favorable than most. For one, I don't know that Hernandez is 1B to Gronk. To start the year, Hernandez got more targets. Then he got hurt, Gronk got more. I am waiting to see what happens this year. On top of that, the Patriots are the team I feel most comfortable investing in a 2nd TE, Hernandez is 21 years old (too young for me to lower due to opportunity), and I simply think he can be one of the biggest mismatches in the NFL. If I am right about that, the Patriots will make it happen.I am high on Lewis as well.
I think calling someone who hasn't played a game is borderline preposterous as well. I am a huge Kendricks fan and own him in more leagues than I don't. But lets see how he translates first. 10 TDs, a pro-bowl selection, and new contract is not luck. He showed what kind of redzone threat he can be and he is in line for targets.
Visanthe Shiancoe made the pro bowl in 2009 after scoring 11 TDs. Bo Scaife was franchised twice. The Jaguars resigned Lewis out of desperation. He is an adequate receiver on a team with very few adequate receivers, and he is necessary to their success running the ball. There are so many useful TEs now in fantasy I can't think of any situation where I'd rather have Lewis than Kendricks. 4 or 5 years ago there were only about 8 TEs who got fantasy points. If you didn't have one of them you were starting Jermaine Wiggins. Now every team has 2 startable TEs. Unless you've totally ignored TE and Lewis is your only man, the upside is so high you have to prefer Kendricks.
Solid points. Although, if Shiancoe was 27 and put up double digit TDs without Favre, he would be ranked around where Lewis is now. There are plenty of situations in which I would take Kendricks over Lewis, so I can't say you're wrong. I simply consider Lewis a great red zone threat on a team desperate for them. He is young, talented, and will get targets. But, again, I am a big Kendricks guy too.
I am curious: was there an announcement of a team depth chart released?
I just saw this from Rotoworld. It states "Beat writer Phillip Wilson confirms that Delone Carter is ahead of Donald Brown and Darren Evans for the Colts' backup job."
Sorry, guys. Didn't know this thread had jump-started again in mid-August. It's not really that I'm "dedicated" to keeping my work at Rotoworld, though having them as my employer certainly does factor in. My lack of Dynasty-related output over the past couple of years has more to do with what Jason suggests here:
For all of our efforts to the contrary, Dynasty leagues still comprise a tiny slice of the fantasy football pie. Rotoworld has to concentrate more on pumping out redraft info because that's the market demand. Rosenthal and the higher-ups are great about letting me post whatever Dynasty content I want. That's not the problem. The stumbling block is time. I used to come to this thread and pump out rankings as a retreat from the real world. Now fantasy football is my real world. My retreats no longer involve following or writing about professional sports. Silva and I were working 100-hour weeks during free agency. We're now down to 55-60. When the whistle blows at 5:00 (or more likely, midnight), I need an escape from football. It's sad but true. Every week, I make tentative plans to sit down and grind out Dynasty tiers as a free article on Rotoworld. It's still in the plans. But I always end up having a beer and throwing a little corn, or playing softball, or trying to salvage my relationship with my girlfriend in my time away from Rotoworld's news shifts, Draft Guide updates, and mandatory articles. I know ... labor pain/baby and rough seas/ship. Just letting you know where I'm coming from on the lack of Dynasty content.I'll ask about extending the Dynasty 200 to make it 300. And I'll try to get to the tiers at some point.
You grab who you think is the most talented player. A talent surplus at one position can be used to trade for talent at a position of need. Busts and average players don't do anything for you.This is only my 2nd year in a dynasty league, so my first rookie draft is a few days away.I hear lots of talk about always taking the "best player available" in a rookie draft andignore positional need. Do the experienced dynasty folks here agree with this?Not to make this an Assistant Coach thread but as an example...
Don't be afraid of trading back if you don't like any of the WR's that are going around that pick. If you're dead set on acquiring one of those RB's, I'd trade back, try and maybe pick up some future draft picks, and still get the player you want.This is only my 2nd year in a dynasty league, so my first rookie draft is a few days away.I hear lots of talk about always taking the "best player available" in a rookie draft andignore positional need. Do the experienced dynasty folks here agree with this?Not to make this an Assistant Coach thread but as an example...
1.01,1.02,1.03 for me. Even if rebuilding, I would get something proven back in the deal.
Well...it depends. In this case, since I believe Little has the potential to be an elite WR, if he fell to you at 1.05, you would have to take him over the 2nd/3rd tier RBs available. And as a general rule, talent should always be taken over short term situation (for the player) and/or your team needs.However, I don't slavishly follow that approach and quite often I go against the conventional wisdom and do take a player that better fits the short term needs of my team or a player that is in a situaton I really like. I also make intuitive picks which, which in theory shouldn't work out, but usually do more often than they don't. I guess I am saying you should usually take the more talented player, but don't be afraid to vary from that if the situation feels right.This is only my 2nd year in a dynasty league, so my first rookie draft is a few days away.I hear lots of talk about always taking the "best player available" in a rookie draft andignore positional need. Do the experienced dynasty folks here agree with this?Not to make this an Assistant Coach thread but as an example...
I'm definitely a proponent of ignoring positional need. In one league this year, my strength coming into the draft was at WR (using my own rankings, I had a top-5 WR, a top-10 WR, and two more top-24 WRs), while I had absolutely no depth at all at RB (JStew is my top backup, which obviously is sub-optimal when looking at the coming season). I also had 3 1sts in this year's draft. With those three picks, I took A.J. Green, Greg Little, and Randall Cobb. I also spent my 1st rounder last year on a WR (Demaryius), giving me a glut of young talent at the position. I still need an RB, but as I'm fond of saying, a dynasty owner's biggest goal should simply be accumulating talent and letting things work themselves out, and Green/Little/Cobb were far and away the top talents left on the board when I was picking. Don't be the guy who drafts Roy Helu Jr. over Greg Little.You have to remember that in dynasty leagues, trades are far and away the best means of filling holes in your roster (with an abbreviated draft and a lack of immediate contributors, you can't count on the draft to shore up needs). With that in mind, you want to stockpile talented players to maximize your trading chips.Now, it's not like there's absolutely no flexibility. If I have Ingram and Green valued pretty similar (and I do), then I might let team needs dictate which one I take. Players can be shuffled up and down within tiers based on outside considerations, but I make it a rule to never, ever, ever draft a player from a lower tier when there's a player from a higher tier still on the board. In other words, minor talent differences can be overlooked, but tier breaks are sacrosanct. Greg Little is a much, much, much better player than Roy Helu, Jr. The fact that Helu plays at a more valuable position and has a clearer path to immediate production is irrelevant. Besides, in my experience, all the opportunity in the world can't make a mediocre back into a stud- just ask Brandon Jackson.This is only my 2nd year in a dynasty league, so my first rookie draft is a few days away.I hear lots of talk about always taking the "best player available" in a rookie draft andignore positional need. Do the experienced dynasty folks here agree with this?Not to make this an Assistant Coach thread but as an example...
All awesome replies. thanks everyone for reinforcing these facts and slapping sense into me before tomorrow night's rookie draft.(and SSOG, can you update your rankings on DR.net before tomorrow night since I lean on them heavilyI'm definitely a proponent of ignoring positional need. In one league this year, my strength coming into the draft was at WR (using my own rankings, I had a top-5 WR, a top-10 WR, and two more top-24 WRs), while I had absolutely no depth at all at RB (JStew is my top backup, which obviously is sub-optimal when looking at the coming season). I also had 3 1sts in this year's draft. With those three picks, I took A.J. Green, Greg Little, and Randall Cobb. I also spent my 1st rounder last year on a WR (Demaryius), giving me a glut of young talent at the position. I still need an RB, but as I'm fond of saying, a dynasty owner's biggest goal should simply be accumulating talent and letting things work themselves out, and Green/Little/Cobb were far and away the top talents left on the board when I was picking. Don't be the guy who drafts Roy Helu Jr. over Greg Little.You have to remember that in dynasty leagues, trades are far and away the best means of filling holes in your roster (with an abbreviated draft and a lack of immediate contributors, you can't count on the draft to shore up needs). With that in mind, you want to stockpile talented players to maximize your trading chips.Now, it's not like there's absolutely no flexibility. If I have Ingram and Green valued pretty similar (and I do), then I might let team needs dictate which one I take. Players can be shuffled up and down within tiers based on outside considerations, but I make it a rule to never, ever, ever draft a player from a lower tier when there's a player from a higher tier still on the board. In other words, minor talent differences can be overlooked, but tier breaks are sacrosanct. Greg Little is a much, much, much better player than Roy Helu, Jr. The fact that Helu plays at a more valuable position and has a clearer path to immediate production is irrelevant. Besides, in my experience, all the opportunity in the world can't make a mediocre back into a stud- just ask Brandon Jackson.This is only my 2nd year in a dynasty league, so my first rookie draft is a few days away.I hear lots of talk about always taking the "best player available" in a rookie draft andignore positional need. Do the experienced dynasty folks here agree with this?Not to make this an Assistant Coach thread but as an example...
if we worked together, I'd buy you a beer or a coffee to grease the wheels a bit... 
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Amen.All awesome replies. thanks everyone for reinforcing these facts and slapping sense into me before tomorrow night's rookie draft.(and SSOG, can you update your rankings on DR.net before tomorrow night since I lean on them heavilyI'm definitely a proponent of ignoring positional need. In one league this year, my strength coming into the draft was at WR (using my own rankings, I had a top-5 WR, a top-10 WR, and two more top-24 WRs), while I had absolutely no depth at all at RB (JStew is my top backup, which obviously is sub-optimal when looking at the coming season). I also had 3 1sts in this year's draft. With those three picks, I took A.J. Green, Greg Little, and Randall Cobb. I also spent my 1st rounder last year on a WR (Demaryius), giving me a glut of young talent at the position. I still need an RB, but as I'm fond of saying, a dynasty owner's biggest goal should simply be accumulating talent and letting things work themselves out, and Green/Little/Cobb were far and away the top talents left on the board when I was picking. Don't be the guy who drafts Roy Helu Jr. over Greg Little.You have to remember that in dynasty leagues, trades are far and away the best means of filling holes in your roster (with an abbreviated draft and a lack of immediate contributors, you can't count on the draft to shore up needs). With that in mind, you want to stockpile talented players to maximize your trading chips.Now, it's not like there's absolutely no flexibility. If I have Ingram and Green valued pretty similar (and I do), then I might let team needs dictate which one I take. Players can be shuffled up and down within tiers based on outside considerations, but I make it a rule to never, ever, ever draft a player from a lower tier when there's a player from a higher tier still on the board. In other words, minor talent differences can be overlooked, but tier breaks are sacrosanct. Greg Little is a much, much, much better player than Roy Helu, Jr. The fact that Helu plays at a more valuable position and has a clearer path to immediate production is irrelevant. Besides, in my experience, all the opportunity in the world can't make a mediocre back into a stud- just ask Brandon Jackson.This is only my 2nd year in a dynasty league, so my first rookie draft is a few days away.I hear lots of talk about always taking the "best player available" in a rookie draft andignore positional need. Do the experienced dynasty folks here agree with this?Not to make this an Assistant Coach thread but as an example...
SSOG, I see you dropped Delone Carter down a tier. Why is this? He seems to me to be a player on the rise. He's ascended the depth chart according to some sources and has looked good. He's the only back on that roster capable of carrying a heavy load. Donald Brown is a bust and Joseph Addai is nothing special. Should he falter, I think Carter steps into the role as RB-Indy. And that's a nice place to be. I'd be curious to hear your reasoning for dropping him behind Brown in your rankings.
Just wanted to point out again how lucky we were to have free access to Mr. Wesseling's opinions on Dynasty. The man deserves to be compensated for what he does. I personally paid for the draft guide just to see his rankings.
QBs are usually hard to call. This year's class is especially tricky because it lacks any bulletproof prospects. Newton is raw and unproven as a passer. Locker was poor last season. Gabbert and Ponder had very "meh" college careers. There's just no one here that you can confidently point to and say that he'll be a solid NFL starter three years from now. So maybe the real answer is "none of the above" when you talk about which one of these guys you should target. I'd probably lump Flynn in with Kaepernick and Ponder. Curiosities who will most likely get a chance to prove themselves, but who aren't necessarily locks to excel when they finally get their chance. These types are hard to gauge. Sometimes you get an AJ Feeley. Sometimes you get a Matt Cassel. And every once in a blue moon you get an Aaron Rodgers. I had a hunch that Rodgers might be good because he happened to go to a nearby college, so I happened to see a lot of his games. I don't have that hunch about these cats. The only things I think I "know" about the current crop of QB prospects is that Andrew Luck is the real deal and that Jake Locker will be a bust. Having said that, the guy I like in terms of risk/reward is Mallett. When you put aside the character issues and the laughable 40 time, you've got a guy with a cannon for an arm who put up some staggering stats in a very difficult conference. Is he Peyton Manning? Probably not, but the dude has NFL size, can sling the rock, and was massively productive at the amateur level. His career...
...smokes...anything that these other jokers did (except for Newton, who was also a demi-god in the SEC). I wouldn't trip over myself rushing to make a trade offer for him, but he's a great candidate as a trade throw-in because he has a high upside and it's likely that his owner doesn't view him as untouchable.
I was saying "Amen" to the buy you a beer or coffee part (not the update the rankings part). Keep up the fine work.
You're looking at Jason's rankings, not mine. At the top of the page (underneath the picture of Chris Johnson) there are a pair of radio buttons that you can use to switch back and forth between Jason's and mine. I've got Carter at 35 and Brown at 54.
I've got him behind all of them, though I didn't know he was a free agent after this season. That'll jump him over Mallett, but I'm not sure if it'll get him ahead of any of the 1st rounders. 1st round QBs become 1st round QBs for a reason, even if I don't understand or agree. The other advantage 1st round QBs have is that some team has committed a tremendous amount of resources to them and has a major vested interest in seeing them succeed. Flynn might get that next year, but his best case scenario (in terms of commitment) is that he gets what those other 5 guys already have.
If Marion Barber stays somewhat healthy, and I know that's a big if, he'll hurt Forte's value this year. The other day at my dynasty draft, a guy I respect said Felix hasn't looked that good in the preseason. I found that vexing based on all the hype here, but couldn't argue since I haven't had a chance to watch Felix this year.
I've seen all of Dallas preseason games, and Felix has looked awesome. Either that guy is blind, or he was trying to drive down the value of Felix so he could draft him later than his ADP.
Felix was already rostered. But that sure sounds right.
I had him ranked 21st... *BEFORE* he announced his retirement. He has not been the same QB since his injuries. His arm is shot and has worn down through the course of the year in every recent season. I was bearish on his ability to ever produce as a starter-caliber fantasy QB again. Even if he fails to retire and winds up on another team, those concerns aren't going to magically go away. Carson Palmer's name carries a lot of cachet in dynasty leagues because of how he looked early in his career (people thought he was going to be the next Peyton Manning, at one point), but the truth is that Carson Palmer hasn't been Carson Palmer in years, and it looks unlikely that he ever would be. He's David Garrard with a premium brand name.
I agree, but if the players are close, than take the better situation. Example: As most people who keep up around the shark pool know I love Randall Cobb as a football player. I thought he should have been a top 20 pick in the NFL draft. I think he is versatile, and could be used similar to Percy Harvin down the line. And I think talent wise he matches Harvin and could be even better. With all that being said I still take Little ahead of him in rookie drafts. Although I like Cobb far better as a football player, his path is merky in Green Bay, and Little has just as a high a ceiling, and has a clear path to production right now. Cobb may have the higher floor, and I'm convinced he will be an outstanding football player for the next 8 years, but right now Little is the better rookie pick.You grab who you think is the most talented player. A talent surplus at one position can be used to trade for talent at a position of need. Busts and average players don't do anything for you.This is only my 2nd year in a dynasty league, so my first rookie draft is a few days away.I hear lots of talk about always taking the "best player available" in a rookie draft andignore positional need. Do the experienced dynasty folks here agree with this?Not to make this an Assistant Coach thread but as an example...
Agree completely, Palmer was garbage when he left. Even if he was still playing for the Bengals I wouldn't go near him, unless he got dropped. No upside really at all. Before the retirement I still would have taken a Ryan Mallett or Vince Young over him.
Yes, I've been burned every single time I went with a need over BPA. The few times I went with BPA, hindsight has proven I got a player of value who either saw my lineup or became a trading chip. Just go BPA. You must increase the value of your roster above all else.
As a Bengals fan who has seen every game, I agree with this. I don't see him having much value in start 1 QB leagues. His upside seems to be Eli Manning (QB11-15 range) if he ends up in a good situation. That's not terrible and makes him draft-able next year, but barely worth holding onto now (if at all).In 2 QB leagues, he still should hold solid value. As mentioned, I think his upside is Eli, who is a valuable guy in a start 2 QB league. Even worst case, he is most likely going to start somewhere next year and be a top 20 QB.
Raheem Morris has already stated that Blount is out of the mix for third down duties - seeing as his competition was a 31 year old career FB/RB hybrid in Earnest Graham and a "never was" in Kregg Lumpkin it doesn't seem like things are looking up for Blount as a pass catcher. In ppr leagues a guy that will be lucky to catch 15 balls during the season loses a lot of value.
I'm open to the possibility that I've got Blount way too low, but my impression from him last season is that he's not out of place starting at RB for an NFL franchise... but he's also not the kind of guy who's going to take the job, grab it with two hands, and lock it up for years. Right now, he's the incumbent, and life is good... but I think there's a good chance he gets primaried at some point. The question then becomes whether he produces enough value in the meantime to warrant rating him higher... and I don't see Tampa Bay as a very explosive fantasy offense for RBs.I'll put a question to you: do you think that Blount is more talented than any of the RBs I have ranked ahead of him? If so, which?
This is relevant once again with the reports of Palmer coming to camp. He had 3970 yards and 26 passing TD's last season, not quite garbage. He hasn't been the same since the injuries but he has been decent. If he hadn't threatened retirement/skipped camp, would he have been ranked at about the same range as guys like Cassel/EManning/Orton? SSOG says he had at 21st, which is right in line with my original discussion of taking a chance on Palmer versus this year's non-Newton rookies. Palmer vs. Dalton for example, if Palmer returns who has more dynasty value. Palmer could put up 3500/25 for a couple more seasons, while Dalton would be at least a couple years from producing the same. If Palmer is now only David Garrard as SSOG suggests, he likely doesn't finish the year as a starter... Palmer though has a huge contract that will make it tougher to push him out the door and I believe that Palmer is better than Garrard (and Gabbert is better than Dalton) so it's slightly different, also there's a chance he could be traded.
Now extended to 300 in Draft Guide and Season Pass.
You're the reason I dropped coin on rotoworld's draft guide and season pass this season. At around $15 it's well worth the expenditure amigo!Any chance you'll be doing anymore podcasts?
From his running back rankings:You're going to have to explain that one to me, because I'm not following...
Good shtick
Thos are Jason's ratings ("the other guy"From his running back rankings:Good shtick
) - who also posts here, btw.
Good work, SSOG.I'm surprised about one item: that you've ranked LaGarrette Blount at #21 isn't a big shock to me. Blount hasn't proven himself for an entire season, and most wouldn't consider him an elite talent. But that you've ranked Michael Turner one spot above Blount is a little vexing, though. At 29, Turner is a bit old for a RB, and he's playing on a team that would rather pass the ball. Are you saying you wouldn't trade Turner for Blount straight up?
