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rizzler
Footballguy
I strongly advocated that VJax would end as the #1 WR this season... WRONG.
I don't know if it's Rivers, VJax, a combo of the two, both being injured or what....
In Sept I NEVER envisioned myself trading away Vjax, but did last week for Manningham (ballsy in some ways, but already paying off)
I dont know whats wrong with Rivers, but glad he was taken at the pick before me at 2.11... ended up getting Brady.
Feel for the Chargers' fans... A good friend of mine is married to a lineman, and even she doesn;t know what's going on (aside from the fact that she's a woman lol).
I always saw RIvers as a top 5 QB... this season, he looks lost. Completely vacant
I don't know if it's Rivers, VJax, a combo of the two, both being injured or what....
In Sept I NEVER envisioned myself trading away Vjax, but did last week for Manningham (ballsy in some ways, but already paying off)
I dont know whats wrong with Rivers, but glad he was taken at the pick before me at 2.11... ended up getting Brady.
Feel for the Chargers' fans... A good friend of mine is married to a lineman, and even she doesn;t know what's going on (aside from the fact that she's a woman lol).
I always saw RIvers as a top 5 QB... this season, he looks lost. Completely vacant
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massraider
Footballguy
Unless you were watching coaches tape, you didn't see get open, or be covered, or anything unless he was thrown to. The camera doesn't go 10 yards downfield, and on pass plays, you often cannot see where even the TE went.
Tau837
Footballguy
Regardless of whether or not Rivers would have been better or worse than Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh, there is no reason to believe this statement is true. Rivers (6'5", 228) is almost as big as Roethlisberger (6'5", 241). In high school, he started at both QB and LB, and he was recruited by Alabama to play LB (he chose N.C. State to play QB). Rivers did not miss a start in college, setting a NCAA record at the time with 51 starts. And he hasn't missed a start in the NFL. He played the AFC championship game less than a week after ACL surgery a few years ago. He has proven he is as tough as any NFL QB.One thing is for sure, he wouldn't have missed the games Roethlisberger missed due to suspension.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Stingy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Not to mention that Rivers wouldn't take nearly as many hits.Big Ben brings a lot of those hits on himself by not being able to find the hot route against a blitz and by hanging onto the ball forever. The Pitt o-line hasn't been dreadful since like 4 years ago. Charlie Batch, in his time in Pittsburgh, is right around the league average in sacks per pass attempt (once in every 19 dropbacks) while Big Ben is shattering it (once in every 10 dropbacks) behind the same lines.
Kilgore
Footballguy
I would rather have Drew Brees than EITHER of them...
Kilgore
Footballguy
I think he has a hitch in his hitch...
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
I think he needs to breathe through his eyelids.
If you take away past years' long handoffs to Sproles and tosses to a healthy Gates, you're left with this season: For the first time in memory, Philip Rivers is having to throw to wide receivers who are covered like most wide receivers in the league. Nobody appears to be drawing any extra special coverage. Not surprisingly, this isn't as easy as it was in years when defenses had two special players to defend.
If you take away past years' long handoffs to Sproles and tosses to a healthy Gates, you're left with this season: For the first time in memory, Philip Rivers is having to throw to wide receivers who are covered like most wide receivers in the league. Nobody appears to be drawing any extra special coverage. Not surprisingly, this isn't as easy as it was in years when defenses had two special players to defend.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
You must not watch a ton of Steelers football. It's been a patchwork quilt for the last two years straight. Clearly, a bunch of Ben's sacks are a result of him holding the ball, no doubt, but there are plenty others where he simply has had no time to throw at all. Earlier this season, it was a huge problem - go back and re-watch the night game against Indy for an example. Last few weeks, the pass protection has been much better and look at Roethlisberger's numbers in those games. No coincidence.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
He wouldn't have used his tackle for evil either though.
I'm also not sure Rivers is hot enough that Mendenhall would have tried to hump him either.
CalBear
Footballguy
You think the 8.8 yards per reception and 2 TDs they got out of Sproles last year caused defenses to totally adjust their schemes? And that they left those schemes in place for the six games that Gates missed last year?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Rivers vs Roethlisberger post season stats.
Rivers (7 games) 58.5%, 8 TD, 9 INT, 79.2 RATE, 1 RUSH TD
Roethlisberger (13 games) 61.2%, 19 TD, 16 INT, 84.5 RATE, 3 RUSH TD
Clearly the Steelers would have won 1-2 more SBs with Rivers behind center.
Rivers (7 games) 58.5%, 8 TD, 9 INT, 79.2 RATE, 1 RUSH TD
Roethlisberger (13 games) 61.2%, 19 TD, 16 INT, 84.5 RATE, 3 RUSH TD
Clearly the Steelers would have won 1-2 more SBs with Rivers behind center.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
It seems like every week over half of Rivers offense doesn't practice most days due to being hurt.
Lash
Footballguy
no he is just waiting on us to bench him so he can do one of those 154yd and 3TD games LOL
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1813/philip-rivers
Philip Rivers has been spotted wincing on film while throwing this season, according to an NFL personnel man. Rivers' throwing motion has always been unconventional, but this personnel man says it's "particularly grotesque" this season. Whether Rivers is hurt or not, he's clearly missing throws he normally makes and appears to be lacking zip on his ball. He's on pace to throw just 16 touchdown passes this season after throwing at least 28 in each of the last three years. Along the way, he's crippled the fantasy value of Vincent Jackson. Nov 2 - 12:22 PM
Philip Rivers has been spotted wincing on film while throwing this season, according to an NFL personnel man. Rivers' throwing motion has always been unconventional, but this personnel man says it's "particularly grotesque" this season. Whether Rivers is hurt or not, he's clearly missing throws he normally makes and appears to be lacking zip on his ball. He's on pace to throw just 16 touchdown passes this season after throwing at least 28 in each of the last three years. Along the way, he's crippled the fantasy value of Vincent Jackson. Nov 2 - 12:22 PM
Raider Nation
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candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
That San Diego offense can't tackle worth a country gosh darn.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
That's just Philip being Philip...
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
Hos throws remind me of Peyton last season. Not a lot of zip. We see now that Peyton was hurt. Rivers is hurt too.
Fensalk
Footballguy
Exactly. Rivers doesn't get hit nearly as much because he doesn't hold onto the ball nearly as much as Ben does. Rivers weakness is throwing to the RB in the flat, but the Steelers don't really do much of that so that wouldn't be a problem in Pittsburgh. The Steelers are more of a vertical passing team. Rivers would actually be a better fit in Pittsburgh than Roethlisberger.
Ladsud
Footballguy
Not the best example but Chuck Knoblauch never had a problem throwing to first until the day he couldnt throw to first. Theres something very strange going on in SD and I think alot of it is in the head.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
He has never really had a strong arm.. That and his delivery were the knocks on him coming into the league.
Tau837
Footballguy
It is untrue that not having a strong arm has always been a knock on him. He has been one of the best deep passers in the league for years, and he has never had a problem making any NFL throws.
simey
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Two to the opposing team even!
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
He's obviously going through a rough stretch, but he's one of the best leaders in all of football. Probably the most misunderstood athlete in professional sports, IMO. River's presser
B-Deep
Footballguy
what has he ever led any team to?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Actually, I think he's starting to break out over the last couple of weeks - at least numerically. If he can get the ints under control he could be right back near the top of the QBs for the last 8 games. I don't think he's hurt, Jackson looks like he's at about 100%, they've found a way to utilize what Gates has left to offer, Vincent Brown looks like he could be a helper, and therefore he's a trade for, though the price probably just got seriously bumped after yesterday.
Yeah. I can say a lot of positive things in defense of Rivers, but "one of the best leaders in all of football" isn't one of them. He may even be perfectly adequate in a leadership role, but to be on the list of the best, you have to prove you can take your team on your back and win on the biggest stages. PR's resume so far shows exactly the opposite. QB for SB contenders who have underperformed when the games matter most.Saying the right things in press conferences and being respected in the locker room aren't the same thing as leading a football team. Those are necessary, but not sufficient.
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Lash
Footballguy
okay so it was ONLY ... 141/3 ... LOL
Riffraff
Footballguy
Pretty sure he's been MVP of 3 or 4 bowl games, just not a Super Bowl.He was also the NCAA's leading passing yardage leader when he left college. Guaranteed there were teammates at the ends of those passes.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
So at one point you think he was considered a 'strong armed' QB? Rivers has never been known to have a gun.. If I'm wrong about that, maybe you can show me.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
He's always had an above average arm, but his snap delivery is what sets him apart. That and his statuesque physique. He can see the field better than most, and really has the balls to throw into tight spots. He's the only QB I know that could take on Nnamdi Aso and win a fair share of times. Most other QB's don't even try. He's been as phyiscally talented a QB that there is in the league. I'd salivate to have this guy on the Raiders. He's really a lot better than this. Whether its an injury he's not disclosing or its mental, he is/was top 3 QB imo (well at least in the recent past).So at one point you think he was considered a 'strong armed' QB? Rivers has never been known to have a gun.. If I'm wrong about that, maybe you can show me.
RhymesMcJuice
Footballguy
He doesn't seem to have quite the zip he's had in the past but the mistakes seem mental to me rather an injury.He's always had an above average arm, but his snap delivery is what sets him apart. That and his statuesque physique. He can see the field better than most, and really has the balls to throw into tight spots. He's the only QB I know that could take on Nnamdi Aso and win a fair share of times. Most other QB's don't even try. He's been as phyiscally talented a QB that there is in the league. I'd salivate to have this guy on the Raiders. He's really a lot better than this. Whether its an injury he's not disclosing or its mental, he is/was top 3 QB imo (well at least in the recent past).So at one point you think he was considered a 'strong armed' QB? Rivers has never been known to have a gun.. If I'm wrong about that, maybe you can show me.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
You also have to keep in mind it was raining most of the game yesterday. Probably didn't help his grip any.
Yes, he led NC State to four bowl games, winning three of them, and was the game's MVP in each of the wins. He was also MVP of the Senior Bowl, so that's 4 MVP awards in five college bowl games. (In the one bowl game that NC State lost, Rivers was the game's Offensive MVP.)
RhymesMcJuice
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