Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
If it was a clean slide, yupI wonder what Skribbles would think if Reyes was taken out with a slide like that and ended up on the DL for a month? Clean slide and move on with the?
Doubt it.
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***Official Jays Thread*** Lots of optimism, again. (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter Northern Voice
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Get rid of Jansen and Oliver. If you can get anything for <insert starters name>, JP, Izturis or Bonifacio get rid of them.
Lock up Rasmus for 4-5 years and try to get something for Gose.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I'm shocked by how bad Josh Johnson is.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
70 minute closed door meeting today but absolutely nothing changes as an 8-3 lead becomes a 10-8 deficit in the blink of an eye.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
It really is amazing. You'd think it would be a no-brainer to qualify him this off-season but he's making it a real tough decision. Can't see anyone giving up a pick to sign him so is it worth it to bring him back for $14M next year? Since it isn't my money I'd say yes but AA is going to have a tough call. Don't qualify him, he returns to form, and you look terrible. Qualify him and he ####s the bed for another season and everyone says it was a stupid move.
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Was at the game today, it was fun, wish this team played near expectations
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Bonifacio traded. Rajai Davis is way better in the OF/at the plate/on the bases. Kawasaki is better in the IF/at the plate/at being a fan favourite.
Obviously this is a lost season... Brett Lawrie looking good though.
Amazing how Josh Johnson has gone from a guy who the Jays thought they would lose to a $100+ million free agent contract to a guy they won't even get a draft pick for because they can't offer him a qualifying offer because he would obviously accept it. Tommy John likely in his future. He's really lost a hundred million dollars over the last 4 months.
Obviously this is a lost season... Brett Lawrie looking good though.
Amazing how Josh Johnson has gone from a guy who the Jays thought they would lose to a $100+ million free agent contract to a guy they won't even get a draft pick for because they can't offer him a qualifying offer because he would obviously accept it. Tommy John likely in his future. He's really lost a hundred million dollars over the last 4 months.
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Fastest to 2 million fans in Toronto since 1997, largest per game increase in MLB, only averaging about 2k/game less than Boston, now imagine if this team wasn't a crippling disappointment.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Wow, no posts in here since August 15th... that seems about right.
My offseason wish list:
C - Anyone but JPA
1B - Edwin
2B - veteran guy/Goins
3B - Lawrie
SS - Reyes
LF - Melky
CF - Rasmus
RF - Bautista
DH - Lind vs. RHP/Sierra or someone else vs. LHP
Rotation - Dickey/New #2/Buehrle/Morrow/New #5... AAA depth/Morrow injury replacements in Drabek/Nolin/Stroman/Redmond/McGowan/Hutchinson/Romero
Bullpen is ridiculously stacked, they will likely move some of those guys to fill other gaps, wouldn't be surprised to see a Janssen/Delabar/Cecil type (all stars, lol) traded...
My offseason wish list:
- 2 New starting pitchers, one being a #2/3 starter, the other a proven durable innings eating type.
- A new starting catcher, I don't care who, I can't handle another year of Arencibia awful OBP, worse defense, and total arrogance.
- A second baseman who isn't Maicer Izturis
- Do this while keeping core of Bautista/Edwin/Lawrie/Reyes/Rasmus, and SP prospects Stroman/Sanchez... anyone else in the organization can be up for grabs.
C - Anyone but JPA
1B - Edwin
2B - veteran guy/Goins
3B - Lawrie
SS - Reyes
LF - Melky
CF - Rasmus
RF - Bautista
DH - Lind vs. RHP/Sierra or someone else vs. LHP
Rotation - Dickey/New #2/Buehrle/Morrow/New #5... AAA depth/Morrow injury replacements in Drabek/Nolin/Stroman/Redmond/McGowan/Hutchinson/Romero
Bullpen is ridiculously stacked, they will likely move some of those guys to fill other gaps, wouldn't be surprised to see a Janssen/Delabar/Cecil type (all stars, lol) traded...
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Looks about right. Wouldn't mind seeing a DH platoon of Melky/Lind with Melky splitting time in LF with Sierra... provided Melky's legs come back to him. Lind shouldn't see any more than about 20 ABs vs Lefties.
Nice that there is going to be some competition/depth in the rotation, provided a bunch of them don't get shipped out for a legit starter.
Nice that there is going to be some competition/depth in the rotation, provided a bunch of them don't get shipped out for a legit starter.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
One down.
Dioner Navarro - career K% is 13.7% or roughly half of JPA's. He hit 300/365/492 last year in 266 appearances. Sounds like Thole will be his partner/Dickey's personal catcher.
There are lots of red flags around Navarro, inconsistency, past attitude problems, defense, but even if he's just a replacement level catcher he'll be a huge upgrade over Arencibia, who may go somewhere else and blossom now, but it was never going to happen in Toronto, and likely won't ever anywhere.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Navarro >>>>>>>>>> Arenstrikeout. Even if Navarro falls back to earth, he is still better than Arencibia on his best day.
Eephus
Footballguy
I don't think it's that clear of an upgrade. I'd rate Arencibia about a 40% chance of having a better 2014 season than Navarro.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I can't see any team giving JPA regular AB's. Maybe he'll do well as a lefty masher or something. His season last year was the worst I've ever seen by any player in every facet of the game, on and off the field.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Jays give up RP Brad Lincoln for C Eric Kratz and LHP Rob Rasmussen from Phillies.
Likely nothing for nothing. Lincoln was never going to make the Jays bullpen and is out of options, so get something for him now before you lose him for nothing. Kratz could beat out Thole as Navarro's time share partner. Most importantly, Kratz and Rasmussen both do have options, so at least if they don't make the team, they add to AAA depth.
Likely nothing for nothing. Lincoln was never going to make the Jays bullpen and is out of options, so get something for him now before you lose him for nothing. Kratz could beat out Thole as Navarro's time share partner. Most importantly, Kratz and Rasmussen both do have options, so at least if they don't make the team, they add to AAA depth.
Eephus
Footballguy
At the time, I thought the Lincoln-Travis Snider trade could have been big for either franchise. I guess I was wrong
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
Kratz had a nice little hot streak when he filled in for an injured Carlos Ruiz in August 2012. He came back to earth after that.
I wouldn't start planning the parade route just yet.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
No, it's much more an illustration of how terrible JPA was. Kratz likely starts in AAA unless he can prove quickly to be a better Dickey receiver (hah!) than Thole.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Jays have to wait for the scraps guys who can't get 5+ year contracts.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Really excited for this year. The off-season acquisitions AA made should be enough to put this team over the top!
Eephus
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
You laugh at Dioner Navarro??? He was the missing piece!Eephus said:Cliff Clavin said:
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
I rate this the most homerrific thread of 2013.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Early reports in camp say Melky looks great this year, so there's that.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Rumours Santana chooses between Jays and Orioles at 5 PM 
Northern Voice
Footballguy
GREAT OFFSEASON, ALEX!#
Eephus
Footballguy
I don't think Santana would have been the final piece but the Blue Jays are allegedly a team built to contend now. Their rotation already had more than the usual number of question marks. Santana isn't the model of consistency but he has averaged 200 IP over the past six years.
The Blue Jays aren't a terrible team but they're still the worst team on paper in their division. They need some young pitchers to step up and not get hurt. Santana would have reduced this pressure a bit.
Their window is now, for whatever that's worth. They dealt their young talent for Reyes, Buehrle and their untradeable contracts. Their organization has no impact position players in sight of the bigs. If they don't do something this year, 2015 looks even bleaker in terms of dead money. I don't know how much further below 74-88 the bottom is but we might find out in 2015-16.
The Blue Jays aren't a terrible team but they're still the worst team on paper in their division. They need some young pitchers to step up and not get hurt. Santana would have reduced this pressure a bit.
Their window is now, for whatever that's worth. They dealt their young talent for Reyes, Buehrle and their untradeable contracts. Their organization has no impact position players in sight of the bigs. If they don't do something this year, 2015 looks even bleaker in terms of dead money. I don't know how much further below 74-88 the bottom is but we might find out in 2015-16.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
The only thing I'll disagree on here is dead money. The only one on the team with any firm commitment beyond 2015 is Reyes. The Dickey/Bautista/Encarnacion/Lind/Morrow/Santos deals all have team options, so if they suck beyond 2014/2015 there's not much sunk cost and right now all 5 of those players are on deals at or below market value IMO. The only "bad" contracts are the two they acquired from Miami - Reyes and Buerhle. Reyes' 22 million in 2016 and 2017 will be a pill to swallow, but shouldn't cripple a team with a $120 million payroll.
The other side is because so many contracts expire after 2015, there's no excuse not to build around this core of players now. The offense and bullpen are both up to AL East standards, the starting pitching isn't even close.
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Anthopolous seems to think he had a deal done with Santana on Saturday, still could be more fallout from this whole mess.
In terms of Jays news, in case anyone is looking for deep fantasy stuff:
J.A. Happ no longer guaranteed the 4th starter spot, and is injured. Anthopolous on the radio this morning actually made it sound like Drew Hutchison has all but secured the 4th starter spot. Happ would be the favourite for the #5 spot if healthy. Ricky Romero has now given up 1 run through 7 innings in spring and is still a dark horse candidate to make the team, but he was taken off the 40-man last year, so he would have to be added back on. Sounds like Stroman is likely AAA bound.
Looks like Kratz will beat Thole for the backup catcher job.
Casey Janssen says he'll be ready for the start of the season, but people around the team don't sound as sure, start hiding Santoses.
In terms of Jays news, in case anyone is looking for deep fantasy stuff:
J.A. Happ no longer guaranteed the 4th starter spot, and is injured. Anthopolous on the radio this morning actually made it sound like Drew Hutchison has all but secured the 4th starter spot. Happ would be the favourite for the #5 spot if healthy. Ricky Romero has now given up 1 run through 7 innings in spring and is still a dark horse candidate to make the team, but he was taken off the 40-man last year, so he would have to be added back on. Sounds like Stroman is likely AAA bound.
Looks like Kratz will beat Thole for the backup catcher job.
Casey Janssen says he'll be ready for the start of the season, but people around the team don't sound as sure, start hiding Santoses.
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
And Reyes goes in for an MRI. Sounds about right.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
McGowan named the 5th starter. Happ to the DL.
Good thing AA went out and got that rotation help
Good thing AA went out and got that rotation help
Northern Voice
Footballguy
McGowan and Hutchison winning rotation spots is the best the Jays could have hoped for. They're both legitimate arms, though one is unproven and the other has an insane injury history. Much happier with those two than any two of the retread group (Happ, Esmil Rogers, Todd Redmond, Romero). With any luck Kyle Drabek will continue showing decent control and he can be the first guy they call on when they need a replacement.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
So, I know he had an up and down season last year and a bit of the shine came off him as an uber-elite prospect, but Aaron Sanchez is basically unhittable. Can't wait for him to climb up to the Jays.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Agree with Eephus on McGowan, that guy deserves some good fortune. Glad he's back, hope he can stay healthy.
Those games in Montreal were fun. I'd love if the Rays moved up there. I'd love a reason to go there once a season, great town. After that showing for an exhibition, I have to think a team is inevitable.
I'd love to see Montreal and Portland get expansion teams, get the leagues back to 16 each and get rid of daily interleague.
Those games in Montreal were fun. I'd love if the Rays moved up there. I'd love a reason to go there once a season, great town. After that showing for an exhibition, I have to think a team is inevitable.
I'd love to see Montreal and Portland get expansion teams, get the leagues back to 16 each and get rid of daily interleague.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Can't wait for the season to start..... 
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
It has been years since there has been this complete lack of enthusiasm and hope surrounding the team. Maybe that means this is the year they get back to the playoffs. Right? RIGHT!?!?!?
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Hutch is going to make it alright.
Eephus
Footballguy
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Does this not come across as a big FU to JPA?
@ShiDavidi 25m
Jose Bautista: "I could really get used to the chemistry that I see between our catcher and our pitchers."
@ShiDavidi 25m
Jose Bautista: "I could really get used to the chemistry that I see between our catcher and our pitchers."
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I used to catch bullpens for Hutchison when he was about 12 at a place called Baseball Basics in Lakeland. Great to see him come back from TJ and succeed.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Does anyone else get the feeling that Lawrie just has no clue what he is doing at the plate?
Patrick the Pirate
Footballguy
I do!
And what about Rasmus??? He has two hits (both doubles) and 12 strikeouts in 27 AB.
With Reyes out their bottom 4 hitters are going to be Lawrie (BA - .103), Rasmus (.074), Goins (.063) and Diaz (.200). MLB should force the other teams to get 4 outs per inning vs. the Jays.
