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Anarchism- Capital Hill Autonomous Zone declared in Seattle (1 Viewer)
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oso diablo
Footballguy
what do you mean by "don't get their fair shake at representation"?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't want to be lumped in with the anarchists.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Is this where we buy the drugs?
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
What about the anarcho-capitalists?
ren hoek
Footballguy
Just for one example, the argument of gay marriage is only portrayed through the media in a framework where the government either decides that yes, you CAN legally marry your gay partner, or no, you CAN'T legally marry your gay partner. There's no presentation of the idea that hey, maybe the government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all and that if two people love each other, they should be free to get married and live as they please. That's just one example, but there are thousands more instances where issues are portrayed in a black/white context.
D_House
Footballguy
Glenn Greenwald and Radley Balko are must-reads for people concerned about civil liberties, particularly those affected by increasing police and federal anti-terrorism powers.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Depending on the writer, there's lots of good articles at volokh.com, especially Orin Kerr for technology and privacy.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Yes. Specifically the red pill.
D_House
Footballguy
Yeah, "Official Libertarian Thread" is sufficient.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Sadly, there's going to be a TON of coverage on these very issues in this thread. I can promise you that.
oso diablo
Footballguy
that was not the direction i thought the answer would go in. I think that's a very weak argument, to lament that "my voice is not being heard" in this day and age of fractured media.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well at least it's an ethos.
Al Czervik
Not wearing pants
Yep. Thanks!
ren hoek
Footballguy
Probably not the best example. Oh well.
timschochet
Footballguy
Also:libertarian <> Libertarianlibertarian <> Ron Paul, ESPECIALLY Dr. Paul's views on foreign policy. Finally, a modern day libertarian includes those who tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But you can be these things with moderation. There is no need for extremist, no compromise positions.
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libertarian <> Libertarian
libertarian <> Ron Paul, ESPECIALLY Dr. Paul's views on foreign policy.
Finally, a modern day libertarian includes those who tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But you can be these things with moderation. There is no need for extremist, no compromise positions.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Let's not do this.
ren hoek
Footballguy
libertarian <> Libertarian
libertarian <> Ron Paul, ESPECIALLY Dr. Paul's views on foreign policy.
Finally, a modern day libertarian includes those who tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But you can be these things with moderation. There is no need for extremist, no compromise positions.
timschochet
Footballguy
Good libertarians to read:
Ayn Rand (she hated the term, and strongly disliked anyone who called her a libertarian, but she is the foundation for most modern libertarian ideas in this country. Also, she probably the most accessible to the casual reader.)
Ludwig Von Mises
F.R. Hayek
Milton Friedman
Tibor Machan
Reason magazine is also an excellent source.
Ayn Rand (she hated the term, and strongly disliked anyone who called her a libertarian, but she is the foundation for most modern libertarian ideas in this country. Also, she probably the most accessible to the casual reader.)
Ludwig Von Mises
F.R. Hayek
Milton Friedman
Tibor Machan
Reason magazine is also an excellent source.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
libertarian <> Libertarian
libertarian <> Ron Paul, ESPECIALLY Dr. Paul's views on foreign policy.
Finally, a modern day libertarian includes those who tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But you can be these things with moderation. There is no need for extremist, no compromise positions.
I agree with tim. As a libertarian, I'm proud of the fact that the US has -- on net -- expanded liberty worldwide. I'm very confident that mankind is better off collectively when the US is active on the international stage as opposed to leaving it to the Chinas and Russias of the world. Paul makes some good arguments on behalf of isolationism, but they aren't the sort of thing that every single libertarian necessarily has to agree with.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't think I was nitpicking. I was trying to be more inclusive. I think libertarians should include anyone who is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. If you guys want to limit it to those who have extremist views about the Constitution or isolationist views about foreign policy, that's your call. But I don't find those to be libertarian values in particular.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Fixed.
timschochet
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Read The Road To Serfdom by Hayek, Free To Choose by Friedman, and The Law by Bastiat and you're off to a good start.And if you're a glutton for punishment read Human Action by von Mises.
Claydon
Footballguy
This is why I prefer the term 'Classical Liberal' instead of having to differentiate between big and small L libertarians.
ren hoek
Footballguy
See, when you toss around words like liberal and conservative, paint things into black and white contexts like "socially this" or "fiscally that," and subtly label people like me as having "extremist views," you're probably better off just taking it to another thread. Honestly.
oso diablo
Footballguy
How does the libertarian philosophy inform your conclusion as to whether a human being in the womb is endowed certain unalienable rights by his or her Creator, as articulated in the Declaration of Independence? Or does it?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I think you'll be shocked at how many folks on both sides of the isle share libertarian views on certain issues. This liberal would love to see the gov't out of the marriage business altogether.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Shut it down.'Andy Dufresne said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Thanks. But I don't believe extremist should necessarily alienate anyone. In this case, I think it's a proper definition. I have extremist views on immigration, for instance.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't believe the law should regard what is in the womb as a human being. That's my answer.
oso diablo
Footballguy
that's not much of an answer. I'm trying to figure out how/if the libertarian philosophy helps one make that determination.
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ren hoek
Footballguy
Yeah, it's good to see participation from people even if their political ideology doesn't jive completely with libertarianism.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
I don't think it really does. Libertarians are pretty divided on the abortion question. The two most prominent libertarian advocates right now (Ron Paul and Gary Johnson) have opposite views on the issue.
oso diablo
Footballguy
who are some good libertarian thinkers to follow on twitter?
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I like school vouchers a lot. I think people should have the right to make bad choices regarding their kids' education. In fact, liberty in general is all about the right to make lots of bad choices about lots of things. Drug use should be legalized, for instance.
On the other hand, I've come around, pragmatically, I hope, to favoring universal health care and I doubt if that will be a very popular stance in this thread.
On the other hand, I've come around, pragmatically, I hope, to favoring universal health care and I doubt if that will be a very popular stance in this thread.
scoobygang
Footballguy
It can't. Because any policy on abortion is infringing on someone's freedom.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Constitutionalist
Blargh. As if we shouldn't continue to strive to improve.
Blargh. As if we shouldn't continue to strive to improve.
oso diablo
Footballguy
what are they?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Constitution provides a mechanism for that.Removing the shackles from government is a step backwards, not forwards.
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