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Just now, Ilov80s said:

Some people in the draft-verse on Twitter thinks he will beat out Glasgow and start at guard this year. 

Let the best man win! 

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1 minute ago, ffweasel said:

Are we rolling with current TEs or 6th rd possibility?  

Not sure if anyone good is there but we certainly could use help there

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Still think Lions should have taken a flyer on Mo Hurst anytime after the second. Raiders get a top 20-25 talent in mid 5th.

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I’m relatively fine with how it’s panned out. 

The prices we paid were apparently about bang on normal value . 

I think Quinn and Patricia have probably looked at our our team and QB and decided that the offence is closer to being a truly top level unit than the defence is. Offence has won Superbowls recently. Quinn has methodically made improvements to the whole O line and has added a good all round RB to try to complete the O. I’d think he probably views Patricia as an upgrade to the D. Patricia himself may value  our D players differently and have better ways of utilising them. Apparently Dallas was about to take the Walker player with their next pick as well so maybe he wasn’t such a reach as we thought. 

The DE and OT sound like good value and intriguing picks 

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I will say this, all 3 of Quinn's drafts have felt a bit unorthodox and have left me confused after they have completed. He's bypassed a lot of name players in favor of the less heralded.  However, his track record of getting quality players even if they aren't highly touted has been pretty good. Nobody gets them all right but he still seems to have a philosophy that he's staying true to. I can respect that.

My thoughts:

1.Frank Ragnow C-- Position of need even if he switches to guard and pushes Glasgow inside. I didn't like it at the moment because I stayed up 2 hrs. later than usual to see a center picked. Truth. However, he's got an impressive resume and is very low risk high ceiling type of guy. Help us run the ball and stabilize that line please.

2. Kerryon Johnson RB-- He was not on my radar so I had to do some homework. People have talked a bit about running patient like Lev Bell. I don't see that at all. I see a nice forward lean and burst that garners all the yards he's going to get on a particular play with not much juke or make you miss. It reminds me of Laurence Maroney. It's not a diss nor a compliment IMO. He doesn't seem exceptional in any way but has a real good nose for the goal line. He seems like more of a JAG than a true difference maker. However, you can win with guys like this as long the OL opens up some creases for him.

3. Tracy Walker S-- This was by far my least favorite pick. This is a position of strength on this team and there just so many other players I would have been been willing to roll the dice on to go this route. He may be a good player in time, but we won't see it for at least 2 years when playing time allows for it.

4. Da'Shawn Hand--DE Traded into this pick which does not help justify this one dimensional run stuffer. I want my run stuffers to be DTs, not DEs. I would have been much happier rolling the dice on Hurst here.

5. Tyrell Crosby-- OT Could be a real steal. He's a powerful run blocker who has a tendency to grab outside rushers. Push him inside to guard and you might even have a starter here.

7. Nick Bawden-- FB We seem to be the one team left in the league that wants to continue to use this dinosaur of a position. We keep drafting them and letting them go. No idea outside of special teams.

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So the lack of edge rusher seems to indicate they plan to resign Ziggy, right?

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Lions 2018 UDFA signings

DE Jojo Wicker, Arizona State (Source)
G John Montelus, Virginia (Source)
DB Chris Jones, Nebraska (Source)
DB Antwuan Davis, Texas (Source)
DB Amari Coleman, Central Michigan (Source)
WR Teo Redding, Bowling Green (Source)
CB Mike Ford, Southeast Missouri State (Source)
LB Chad Meredith, Southeast Missouri State (Source) 
S Anthony Sherrils, Missouri (Source) 
OL Brett Kendrick, Tennessee (Source)
LB Al-Rasheed Benton, West Virginia (Source)
K/P Ryan Santoso, Minnesota (Source)
DT Josh Fatu, USC (Source)
TE DeAndre Goolsby, Florida (Source)
OL Beau Nunn, Appalachian State (Source)
WR Brandon Powell, Florida (Source)
WR Kyle Lewis, Cal Poly (Source)

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On ‎4‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 7:48 PM, Ilov80s said:

So the lack of edge rusher seems to indicate they plan to resign Ziggy, right?

They might have the cap room to do it if they see the good Ziggy this year. GM also left hints (like he did with the 2nd round RB before day 1) that they are not finished and could end up signing someone else's cap casualty.

As far as that RB goes, hopefully going to a committee backfield will stave off the injuries that will happen when they give you the ball 25 times a game like Auburn did last year. I would assume that Blount on a 1 year contract will be run hard like an old beater while we have still him here. Theo and/or AA + the FB might fill out the final "4 or 5" RBs that the GM says he will keep on the active roster. The FB should get plenty of ST work + the occasional jumbo set on short yardage I would think. ZZ, Tion & Washington could be the cuts unless they settle for the practice squad. 

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38 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

They might have the cap room to do it if they see the good Ziggy this year. GM also left hints (like he did with the 2nd round RB before day 1) that they are not finished and could end up signing someone else's cap casualty.

I have read some things on Twitter indicating the Lions new defense might not have an emphasis on edge rushers, but instead they prefer their DEs to be bigger (like Hand from Bama) and to simply set the edge. The pressure on the pass rusher is more likely to come from the guys standing up than the front 3. 

38 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

As far as that RB goes, hopefully going to a committee backfield will stave off the injuries that will happen when they give you the ball 25 times a game like Auburn did last year. I would assume that Blount on a 1 year contract will be run hard like an old beater while we have still him here. Theo and/or AA + the FB might fill out the final "4 or 5" RBs that the GM says he will keep on the active roster. The FB should get plenty of ST work + the occasional jumbo set on short yardage I would think. ZZ, Tion & Washington could be the cuts unless they settle for the practice squad. 

Good point about Blount keeping Karryon on fresh. My guess for RB usage would be Kerryon on 1st and 2nd, Blount in short yardage, Theo on passing downs in the backfield or the slot, Ameer on passing downs. Then our FB will be in on short yardage and special teams. ZZ, Tion and Washington are gone. If another team gets hit with an injury or 2 in their backfield during camp and preseason we could see Ameer moved. There are some teams that are very thin at RB and just 1 injury would leave with in need immediate help (Tampa, Carolina, Indy) 

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19 hours ago, ffweasel said:

Traded Spence?  Does this mean we could possibly sign Hankins? It’s not like we don’t need DTs..

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931300/article/detroit-lions-trade-dt-akeem-spence-to-dolphins?campaign=fb-nf-sf188763329-sf188763329&sf188763329=1

One year rental flipped into a draft pick, not too bad. I would be surprised if they didn't go after somebody, Hankins would be ideal. Hometown guy too.

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Old sexual assault case resurfaces.

 

The Detroit News' Robert Snell reported that Patricia and his friend, Greg Dietrich, were arrested and charged with sexual assault at South Padre Island, Texas in 1996 after they allegedly "took turns violently sexually assaulting" the woman in her hotel room. There weren't many details from the report about the alleged incident itself, as "the police report was discarded, and several figures involved said they could not recall the case -- not the police chief, lieutenant, grand jury forewoman, prosecutor, assistant prosecutor or defense attorneys," Snell wrote in his story.

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22 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Old sexual assault case resurfaces.

 

The Detroit News' Robert Snell reported that Patricia and his friend, Greg Dietrich, were arrested and charged with sexual assault at South Padre Island, Texas in 1996 after they allegedly "took turns violently sexually assaulting" the woman in her hotel room. There weren't many details from the report about the alleged incident itself, as "the police report was discarded, and several figures involved said they could not recall the case -- not the police chief, lieutenant, grand jury forewoman, prosecutor, assistant prosecutor or defense attorneys," Snell wrote in his story.

This crap is so out of control.  Good for the Lions shutting it all down and backing Patricia.

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1 hour ago, matuski said:

This crap is so out of control.  Good for the Lions shutting it all down and backing Patricia.

What is out of control? He was charged with sexual assault. It was dropped and it hasn't prevented him from reaching the top of his profession?

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29 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

What is out of control? He was charged with sexual assault. It was dropped and it hasn't prevented him from reaching the top of his profession?

The effort to make these decades old accusations news (many more examples beyond Patricia).

Whoever the reporter is that thought this was relevant.

These cowardly headlines.  

Making Matt Patricia come out and do a news conference right now about the decades old accusations that some reporter thought was relevant enough to create cowardly headlines over.

#wannabeMeToo

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1 hour ago, bigmarc27 said:

Bigger question for me is how this never came up when he was on the Pats?

Why would it ever come up?

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8 minutes ago, matuski said:

The effort to make these decades old accusations news (many more examples beyond Patricia).

Whoever the reporter is that thought this was relevant.

These cowardly headlines.  

Making Matt Patricia come out and do a news conference right now about the decades old accusations that some reporter thought was relevant enough to create cowardly headlines over.

#wannabeMeToo

He was indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault. You don't think that's relevant to know about a new employee? How the #### did the Lions NOT know about it?

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4 minutes ago, whoknew said:

He was indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault. You don't think that's relevant to know about a new employee? How the #### did the Lions NOT know about it?

Just heard a lawyer on the radio saying Patricia needs to be careful because if he comes out too strong proclaiming innocence it could provoke the victim into speaking out. 

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6 minutes ago, whoknew said:

He was indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault. You don't think that's relevant to know about a new employee? How the #### did the Lions NOT know about it?

Nope.  Not relevant at all.

Worse is this effort to create these exact ridiculous lines of logic, misleading questions, and faux outrage about something that didn't happen over 20 years ago.

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14 minutes ago, matuski said:

Why would it ever come up?

They dig up every possible issue with players before the draft- I assumed they would with coaches as well.

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Just now, Ilov80s said:

They dig up every possible issue with players before the draft- I assumed they would with coaches as well.

It is a 22 year old non-issue.

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14 minutes ago, matuski said:

Why would it ever come up?

They dig up every possible issue with players before the draft- I assumed they would with coaches as well.

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3 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Just heard a lawyer on the radio saying Patricia needs to be careful because if he comes out too strong proclaiming innocence it could provoke the victim into speaking out. 

What victim?

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:lmao:

Now we are warning Patricia to NOT be too strong asserting nothing happened in a 22 year old incident where... nothing happened. 

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5 minutes ago, matuski said:

It is a 22 year old non-issue.

I mostly agree- I’m not saying anything should happen to Patricia. I just would expect teams to be very thorough with coaches. He was hired in 2004 so it was only 8 years after the incident.

Maybe it did come up and they deemed it wasn’t an issue. 

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Just now, Ilov80s said:

I mostly agree- I’m not saying anything should happen to Patricia. I just would expect teams to be very thorough with changes. He was hired in 2004 so it was only 8 years after the incident.

Maybe it did come up and they deemed it wasn’t an issue. 

“We did a complete background check,” said Wood in a statement to the Detroit News. “Our background check was limited to employment matters only and does not disclose any criminal matters that don’t result in a conviction or a plea agreement.”

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Just now, matuski said:

“We did a complete background check,” said Wood in a statement to the Detroit News. “Our background check was limited to employment matters only and does not disclose any criminal matters that don’t result in a conviction or a plea agreement.”

It’s fine- I would expect and hope for all employers to that. However we know teams don’t always treat the players the same way. That’s a problem.

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7 minutes ago, matuski said:

“We did a complete background check,” said Wood in a statement to the Detroit News. “Our background check was limited to employment matters only and does not disclose any criminal matters that don’t result in a conviction or a plea agreement.”

Oh someone is definitely getting reamed for not finding this issue. These NFL teams follow around draft picks with private investigators and know what they ate for breakfast 7 years ago.  It's sad that they don't have a decent system for checking employees.

 

 

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Just now, Phenomena said:

Oh someone is definitely getting reamed for not finding this issue. These NFL teams follow around draft picks with private investigators and know what they ate for breakfast 7 years ago.  It's sad that they don't have a decent system for checking employees.

 

 

What issue?

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18 minutes ago, matuski said:

It is a 22 year old non-issue.

Why are you so certain?  I’m not saying he did anything wrong, but there is an arrest report. Unless you were in the room, you’re being awfully dismissive for no reason. 

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6 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

Why are you so certain?  I’m not saying he did anything wrong, but there is an arrest report. Unless you were in the room, you’re being awfully dismissive for no reason. 

Questions like these bring up some twisted logic that he needs to publicly prove his innocence regarding an incident he is innocent of.  Questions like these imply there is some reason for us to open up and hold Patricia responsible for a 22 year old accusation/ arrest/indictment/dismissal because we don't know what actually happened.

 

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7 minutes ago, matuski said:

Questions like these bring up some twisted logic that he needs to publicly prove his innocence regarding an incident he is innocent of.  Questions like these imply there is some reason for us to open up and hold Patricia responsible for a 22 year old accusation/ arrest/indictment/dismissal because we don't know what actually happened.

 

I’m not asking him to prove innocence and I don’t think the Lions need to take any action.  Should we all just have assumed that Billy Cosby was super cool because someone accused him of something in the past?  I don’t know what happened here, you don’t know what happened here. The difference being, you pretend you do. 

 

As to the bolded part above, that’s all anyone has said. You don’t know what happened, so it’s pretty odd to just brush it off. 

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12 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

I’m not asking him to prove innocence and I don’t think the Lions need to take any action.  Should we all just have assumed that Billy Cosby was super cool because someone accused him of something in the past?  I don’t know what happened here, you don’t know what happened here. The difference being, you pretend you do. 

And there you go.  :lmao:

Thank you for the demonstration of the asinine place we are at today.

I do not claim to know what happened in a case that was dismissed.  I am happy to live in a country where by law we approach these examples as cases being proclaimed innocent.  I am horrified to live in a place and time where logic like yours finds its way into examples like Patricia's.

I think you are onto something here with Cosby, so many similarities I'm starting to think Patricia is black, amiright?  What about Weinstein, amiright?

 

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16 minutes ago, matuski said:

Questions like these bring up some twisted logic that he needs to publicly prove his innocence regarding an incident he is innocent of.  Questions like these imply there is some reason for us to open up and hold Patricia responsible for a 22 year old accusation/ arrest/indictment/dismissal because we don't know what actually happened.

 

He doesn’t have to prove his innocence in a court of law. But as his employer - OF COURSE I’m going to interrogate him about it. I don’t want a rapist around my office, representing my team. So I would do whatever I can to find the truth. 

Who wouldn’t?

 

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17 minutes ago, matuski said:

Questions like these bring up some twisted logic that he needs to publicly prove his innocence regarding an incident he is innocent of.  Questions like these imply there is some reason for us to open up and hold Patricia responsible for a 22 year old accusation/ arrest/indictment/dismissal because we don't know what actually happened.

 

I side with you on this but by NFL logic, it doesn't matter- just need to look at Zeke case for that. 

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6 minutes ago, matuski said:

 

I do not claim to know what happened in a case that was dismissed. 

43 minutes ago, matuski said:

:lmao:

Now we are warning Patricia to NOT be too strong asserting nothing happened in a 22 year old incident where... nothing happened. 

Should we all just assume he isn't Charlie Weinstein?  I think you are onto something here with Cosby, so many similarities I'm starting to think Patricia is black, amiright?

Could have fooled me...  you say nothing happened, then you say you don’t claim to know what happened.   As to the bold, wtf are you rambling about? 

 

Keep drinking that kool aid brother. 

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Just now, bigmarc27 said:

Could have fooled me...  also wtf are you rambling about? 

 

Keep drinking that kool aid brother. 

I think Patricia even eats Jello Pops.  Dead give away for him being like Cosby, amiright?

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5 minutes ago, matuski said:

I think Patricia even eats Jello Pops.  Dead give away for him being like Cosby, amiright?

His fatass has eaten many jello pops. 

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Just now, bigmarc27 said:

His fatass has eaten many jello pops. 

Now you are bringing Weinstein into it?  Come on man.  :lol:

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2 hours ago, whoknew said:

He was indicted by a grand jury for sexual assault. You don't think that's relevant to know about a new employee? How the #### did the Lions NOT know about it?

the confluence of your handle and this statement is not lost on me.

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A couple thoughts on Patricia:

  • Assuming his account is true -- and what's been reported gives me no reason to think otherwise -- I do feel bad for him. It sucks that anyone who's ever been arrested will have that follow them around for the rest of their lives, regardless of whether they were ever charged or convicted (Google "mugshot extortion racket" if you want to learn about what a big business this has turned into). I also don't fault him for not proactively volunteering that information to the Lions during the interview process.
  • At the same time, I absolutely fault the Lions for not finding this out during their background check. Saying, "We didn't ask about criminal record" or "We only ask about convictions" is a ridiculous excuse. If that's true, they should fire whoever conducts their background checks. First of all, while in this case Patricia may have been completely innocent, what if it had been a Roethlisberger-type situation, where he was never charged despite the fact that he was very likely guilty? Second, they should have ferreted this information out in a background check to avoid precisely this scenario, where they get blindsided by the media and are scrambling to get control of the story.

When an NFL team invests millions in a new coach and makes him the face of the franchise, it's their job to find out about anything that could potentially embarrass them, even if it happened 20 years ago and even if there was no conviction. And it's in the league's interest as well, which is why I think the NFL's announced investigation is a necessary step.

In this specific case, I hope it all gets resolved quickly, and Patricia can coach the team without any sort of cloud hanging over him. But going forward, both the league and every single team should be reviewing their background-check process to make sure they're not missing important information.

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3 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

It’s fine- I would expect and hope for all employers to that. However we know teams don’t always treat the players the same way. That’s a problem.

The players are young though none of their baggage is 20 years old.  I guarantee this would be a huge issue for Patricia, and he likely wouldn't been hired, if this happened in the past couple of years.

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lord help us if simply getting arrested prevents us from getting a job....im fine with the convicted of a crime threshold. I mean after all martin luther king was arested

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For those bashing the Lions why are the Patriots getting a free pass here?  They are the ones the first hired him and gave him a prime gig in the NFL allowing him to ultimately land a head coaching job.  Did they not do their due diligence as well? 

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1 hour ago, Pipes said:

For those bashing the Lions why are the Patriots getting a free pass here?  They are the ones the first hired him and gave him a prime gig in the NFL allowing him to ultimately land a head coaching job.  Did they not do their due diligence as well? 

This has been addressed.  Both teams did their due diligence.

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