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WR Josh Gordon, KC (2 Viewers)
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see you in a few days
mquinnjr
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Also gets them in line with current public perception that marijuana use shouldn't be criminalized, so that's a win in court of public opinion (at least helps weather the Rice storm).
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
See I don't see that as being a feel good story to the public. I think the ray news hurt Gordon. It just FEELS like trading one form of lawless debauchery for another.
This is the play 60/pink jersey/ family friendly league.
VikingFrog
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Apple Jack
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The HGH story may be huge with us here, and of course Sports Center/ESPN, but the Ray Rice story was the lead in to Good Morning America, Today Show and CBS Morning Show. It's not going away that easily.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I agree with Smack Tripper here. How does lifting drug bans help the league image?
VaTerp
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Yeah, I think this is being overlooked b/c of the obvious focus on whether or not he'll actually play.
I still believe it's considerably less than a 50% chance Gordon suits up this year and IF he does, I don't know that he is able to step in immediately, if at all, and perform up to the standard he established last year.
He has had this hanging over him for almost 8 months now. Focus and conditioning looked to be problems in pre-season and I'd not be surprised if those carried over should he be allowed to play this year. Plus there is a new coaching staff, continued questions at QB, etc. Those of us counting on cashing in on Gordon as a lottery ticket may end up being disappointed even if the long shot of him getting his suspension adjusted comes to fruition.
Pretty much anyone, except child molesters, are a step up from wife-beaters. So, you shift the conversation to just about anything, and it is a step up for the league. Combine that with clearly shifting attitudes about pot, and the NFL spins this as a get tough on HGH policy, and nobody really cares about Gordon and Welker coming back.
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Apple Jack
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It won't with some people. But with quite a few others, it is a correction of flawed policy. And just about anything to distract those coming for Goodell with the pitchforks is preferable. But I don't think it will have any bearing on the league's flexibility on any substantive issue.
The General
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Public doesn't care about recreational pot use. NFL owners should want players on the field. Seems like a no brainer. Get it done, dummies!
cstu
Footballguy
Over 54% of people over 45 don't want it legalized.
53% of women don't want it legalized.
64% of Republicans don't want it legalized.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes. That's the way I felt (after correctly and publicly flagellating Rice for his actions, of course).
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 25m
9 p.m. conference call scheduled tonight with NFLPA reps to talk drug policy. Moment of truth.
9 p.m. conference call scheduled tonight with NFLPA reps to talk drug policy. Moment of truth.
Apple Jack
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This is why it may not pass with the PA. Most players are smart enough to not get suspended for recreational drugs. They may not want to be exposed to HGH testing.
VaTerp
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Dr. Octopus
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Bob Barker
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I remember reading something about a trainer for elite level athletes saying that easily 90%+ are on some kind of PEDs. They teach them how to pass their drug tests. Its all about knowing what tests you have to pass and then using certain drugs that arnt tested and timing the drug use of tested drugs so that you will pass every time. He even had drug stacks for guys that are randomly tested with only a few hours notice. He said an athlete has to be stupid to fail a drug test, and most that fail fail because they think they are taking one drug when really they are taking something different, happens sometimes when you buy from underground labs, but pro nfl players should be able to get pharma grade drugs no prob
Long Ball Larry
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I don't really understand why the NFL wants a tougher testing policy. Seems like it would be bad for business. Unless they're fearful of getting a Senate hearing.
Warpig
Footballguy
I think the deal with the Gordon ban is he had to give up 2 samples I believe and they choose one randomly for testing. The one was negative and the other was just BARELY over the illegal limit. Could have been from second hand smoke as is Gordon's excuse. Pretty sure that is why people are more optimistic Gordon's ban will be lifted.
My wording/understanding may not be concise...but it was something like that.
My wording/understanding may not be concise...but it was something like that.
massraider
Footballguy
NFLPA schedules call with agents to discuss drug-testing policy
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 9, 2014, 12:29 PM EDT
AP
The NFL Players Association is huddling with player agents today to discuss the possibility of a new drug-testing agreement.
Although there is no agreement currently in place, talks have progressed to the point where the player representatives could vote on a proposal today. The call involving the NFLPA and player agents takes place at 1:30 p.m. ET today.
Among the changes in a new drug-testing policy would be blood tests for human growth hormone, as well as increasing the threshold for a positive marijuana test and changing the classification of amphetamine use in the offseason from a performance-enhancing drug policy violation to a substance-abuse policy violation.
It remains to be seen whether the players will go along with the league’s proposed changes, but the NFLPA wants to make sure the players’ agents understand exactly what the league is proposing.
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 9, 2014, 12:29 PM EDT
The NFL Players Association is huddling with player agents today to discuss the possibility of a new drug-testing agreement.
Although there is no agreement currently in place, talks have progressed to the point where the player representatives could vote on a proposal today. The call involving the NFLPA and player agents takes place at 1:30 p.m. ET today.
Among the changes in a new drug-testing policy would be blood tests for human growth hormone, as well as increasing the threshold for a positive marijuana test and changing the classification of amphetamine use in the offseason from a performance-enhancing drug policy violation to a substance-abuse policy violation.
It remains to be seen whether the players will go along with the league’s proposed changes, but the NFLPA wants to make sure the players’ agents understand exactly what the league is proposing.
Its not just Gordon and Welker , this will affect alot of players and teams.
The Miami Dolphins are awaiting the decision by the NFL players on a new drug policy that could and will most likely lift the bans placed on safety Reshad Jones and DE Dion Jordan. Under the new rules that are being proposed, both players would not fall under suspensions.
The league and the NFLPA have been negotiating a new drug enforcement policy for the last week. Initially it was believed that the deal would have closed last week but now it appears that the deal will get done within the next 48 hours. The NFLPA has called for an 8 p.m. conference call with all 32 team player representatives to go over the parameters of the deal. If the reps approve it the deal would then go to the players for an official vote.
The Miami Dolphins are awaiting the decision by the NFL players on a new drug policy that could and will most likely lift the bans placed on safety Reshad Jones and DE Dion Jordan. Under the new rules that are being proposed, both players would not fall under suspensions.
The league and the NFLPA have been negotiating a new drug enforcement policy for the last week. Initially it was believed that the deal would have closed last week but now it appears that the deal will get done within the next 48 hours. The NFLPA has called for an 8 p.m. conference call with all 32 team player representatives to go over the parameters of the deal. If the reps approve it the deal would then go to the players for an official vote.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Based on this timing I guess there is no way we get a resolution today. I was hoping to have some clarity before I have to put my bid in for Gordon tonight. This makes it a lot harder.
How can I ruin a disaster of a thread lolDude. Please stop ruining this thread. Seriously.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Actually it could make it easier. Once it is announced he is released to play for sure (if that's what happens) then his cost will be sky high, maxed out really.
The General
Footballguy
It's legal in 2 states and more coming.
If you ask people should NFL players be held to a higher standard for pot than Olympic atheltes I think the results would be quite a bit different as well.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Who is this guy?How can I ruin a disaster of a thread lolDude. Please stop ruining this thread. Seriously.
Maven
Footballguy
uh oh
Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot
Source told me that if #NFL lets Gordon and Welker back in, everyone dating back to new CBA in '11 will fight for revised suspensions and $$
11:30am · 9 Sep 2014 · Twitter Web
Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot
Source told me that if #NFL lets Gordon and Welker back in, everyone dating back to new CBA in '11 will fight for revised suspensions and $$
11:30am · 9 Sep 2014 · Twitter Web
Ditka Butkus
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Henry Ford
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ROYALWITCHEESE
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Henry Ford
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Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Here we go again, people spinning the same stuff hoping for a different answer.
This is at the mercy of an agreement between the NFL and NFLPA, if they only agree to go back so far then thats how far back they go. For instance if they only allow this past year, then so be it. This is contract law, its hard to understand, but the answer is quite easy on this one and is not difficult.
This is at the mercy of an agreement between the NFL and NFLPA, if they only agree to go back so far then thats how far back they go. For instance if they only allow this past year, then so be it. This is contract law, its hard to understand, but the answer is quite easy on this one and is not difficult.
shadyridr
Footballguy
everyone? Wouldnt only be those who tested below 50 nanograms and those popped for amphetamines? Thats not everyone
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Wow, did Josh Gordon steal your dog or something? What do you have against the kid?
Gustavo Fring
Footballguy
That's it. I'm dropping Gordon in all leagues, effective immediately!
Or, maybe I should just stop checking this thread every 5 minutes, until the actual decision is made.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Offers are increasing for him. I've now got a 2015 2nd rounder on the table. Not bad seeing I paid a 2016 3rd for him July 5th. But I think I'll wait and see if anyone ups the ante.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Easy..he continually violates the terms of his employment and uses illegal drugs and many of you want to make him some kind of a cult figure..This is exactly what is currently wrong with our society, nobody wants to infuse personal responsibility in anyone...Oh he's not a bad kid, he is just misunderstood, lets give him another break...This kid needs to learn a lesson or it will end a lot worse for him than a 1 year suspension from a kids game.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
More than a rookie 2nd for a guy that had the 10th best rec. yardage season ever at age 22? Talk about driving a hard bargain!
solorca
Footballguy
Given the new information about players suing, I think the ship has about sailed when it comes to him returning immediately. Maybe the suspension will be reduced down, but I even doubt that.
I'm holding in redraft until I hear more, but I really don't see any way he's getting back on the field anytime soon.
I'm holding in redraft until I hear more, but I really don't see any way he's getting back on the field anytime soon.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Yeah, and Mike Vick was a dog fighter who won many fantasy football championships. I've learned to stop making this so personal. It is afterall, a kid's game.
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