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Gronk or Graham? (1 Viewer)

Which TE do you like better for dynasty (non-ppr)

  • Rob Gronkowski

    Votes: 45 34.4%

  • Jimmy Graham

    Votes: 86 65.6%
  • Total voters
    131
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greggorymac

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Three months ago I would have thought it would be Gronk by a mile, but I'm slowly seeing these two players trend closer and closer to each other. Whom do you like in re-draft and dynasty better?

 
I think Gronk still beats out Graham this year, but the fact that Graham is only going into his 4th year of football makes it seem as if he's not even close to hitting his ceiling yet. I know he could have already hit his ceiling and we just don't know it, but the possibility that he might get much better makes him the better dynasty player. Plus, they're in the same boat with their QB issues and I think Brees will reach an extension.

 
I like Graham this year because Brees lost a weapon in Meachem and I am not sure if Arrington or Toon will fill that spot right away. The Patriots added weapons for this year, but Gronk is younger than Graham and Welker and Lloyd aren't spring chickens anymore, you can't go wrong with either though.

 
Apparently I'm the only person who looks beyond three years in dynasty, but Gronkowski is three years younger than Graham and all else being equal his career from this point forward should be a third to a half longer than Graham's. In dynasty it's Gronk easily for me.

 
'wdcrob said:
Apparently I'm the only person who looks beyond three years in dynasty, but Gronkowski is three years younger than Graham and all else being equal his career from this point forward should be a third to a half longer than Graham's. In dynasty it's Gronk easily for me.
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What about all those back problem concerns when he was coming out of school? Good so far but seemed to be a real issue then. If you are a long term guy this has to be accounted for.
 
'wdcrob said:
Apparently I'm the only person who looks beyond three years in dynasty, but Gronkowski is three years younger than Graham and all else being equal his career from this point forward should be a third to a half longer than Graham's. In dynasty it's Gronk easily for me.
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Looking beyond three years...who's throwing to Gronk?
 
Good points... though Brees is aging too...as for the back... no problems for two years so it's not something I'm factoring in at this point

 
This year i still like gronk better, but i agree that it has gotten closer for me lately. To put it in a nutshell, i feel like gronk has higher upside but also comes with more risk, whereas graham has a higher floor. Honestly this brees thing just clouds it up more because an inexperienced player like graham would probably like to have that time with his qb

 
For this year, I would pick Graham. Gronk should be slow out of the gate coming off of ankle surgery and will have fewer targets this year with more weapons in the passing game.

 
'wdcrob said:
Apparently I'm the only person who looks beyond three years in dynasty, but Gronkowski is three years younger than Graham and all else being equal his career from this point forward should be a third to a half longer than Graham's. In dynasty it's Gronk easily for me.
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That's a dumb way to see it. Like I said...they both have the same QB problems...old elite QBs that will be gone in a few years. Gronk has played tight end for at least 8 years of his life so he's probably close or already hit his ceiling. On the other hand, Graham has played 3 years at tight end. Gronk has a family history of football so he probably played football when he was younger making his football experience greater than 8 years while Graham again only has 3 years of experience. Could Graham have already hit his ceiling? Yes, but personally I don't think so and believe his ceiling is much higher than Gronk's. In the NFL, Gronk is the better tight end due to his blocking, but fantasy-wise, Graham's has the potential to be a higher scorer than Gronk in the future. 2.5 years of an age difference shouldn't matter since we don't know how long each player's bodies will last. Gronk has also played football much longer, so there could be more wear and tear on his body, which has shown with his back and ankle injuries. Owen Daniels and Kellen Winslow had pretty short careers, while Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez have had long productive ones. You're trying to predict a decade ahead and that's impossible.
 
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I am loving me some Graham. Just simply less mouths to feed. And with Lloyd now on the Pats, I think his presence further solidifies my point.

 
From a dynasty perspective, the answer has to be Ghrahm. Less football experience and probably a better pure athlete means higher ceiling. That, and Brady is older than brees.

 
'Lavachebeadsman said:
From a dynasty perspective, the answer has to be Ghrahm. Less football experience and probably a better pure athlete means higher ceiling. That, and Brady is older than brees.
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Hold up - Rob Gronkowski is 23 and Jimmy Graham is 26. If you assume they're going to put up similar numbers, Gronk will give you a much better return on the investment, especially for the long term. I'm also not sure how Jimmy Graham is a better pure athlete than Gronk. Yes, he's a phenomenal athlete, but both of them are which is why they're both on the top of the food chain for targets for their respective teams.
 
Graham may be older, but he has fewer football years on him. He was a basketball player. Only player like 1-2 years of college football if memory serves right. That's probably why he is considered a better pure athlete.

 
It would be foolish, however to assume Grahams basketball career has not taken a toll on his body at all. Basketball may not be football, but it is still very demanding on the human body, especially the knees. Im not saying this sways the debate either way, but what i am saying is that the age vs experience debate is really a moot point. Both players should be great for years, just a matter of preference.

 
I can't see how Brandon Lloyd's addition doesn't hurt Gronk for this year, have to go Graham for a redraft IMO. I prefer Graham in Dynasty as well but certainly wouldn't fault anyone for wanting Gronkowski. They are both incredible talents so you can't really go wrong.

 
You can't go wrong with either, but can people stop saying injuries are a factor. They are a factor for everyone, because football is a violent game and if you get hit wrong one time your season is over and maybe you never regain your form. Basketball isn't as violent as football but it does take it toll on your body, go ask Antonio Gates how his knees and ankles are doing right now. The only guy, as far as tight ends go, that seems to be the freak and never gets hurt and produces year in and year out is Tony Gonzalez, and he played both basketball and football in college.

 
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Why not both?

I just traded for Gronk in a dynasty where I already have Graham. Now my offensive starting lineup is Aaron Rodgers, Arian Foster, LeSean McCoy, Victor Cruz, Rob Gronkowski, and Jimmy Graham. :excited:

 
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'Chazzhawk said:
You can't go wrong with either, but can people stop saying injuries are a factor. They are a factor for everyone, because football is a violent game and if you get hit wrong one time your season is over and maybe you never regain your form. Basketball isn't as violent as football but it does take it toll on your body, go ask Antonio Gates how his knees and ankles are doing right now. The only guy, as far as tight ends go, that seems to be the freak and never gets hurt and produces year in and year out is Tony Gonzalez, and he played both basketball and football in college.
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If you're of the belief that some injuries are more likely to flare up or cause different injuries, then they're definitely a factor here. Gronk has the ankle, concussion, and back history. Graham's got none that I know of. I think it balances out the time things.
 
Dynasty, I go back and forth every five minutes. :lol:

You put on the Saints game and nobody can cover Graham.

You put on the Pats game and nobody can cover Gronk.

I guess there is no wrong answer.

 
I own Graham in my only 2 dynasty leagues, but in mho Gronk is the superior talent. Graham has almost no RAC ability, for a guy his size he goes down fairly easily and Gronk is like a tank. Graham also drops some easy passes, and Gronk seems to rarely ever drop the ball. I love Graham, one of my best draft picks in either league, but I would rather have Gronk in any format.

 
'DesmondBishop said:
I own Graham in my only 2 dynasty leagues, but in mho Gronk is the superior talent. Graham has almost no RAC ability, for a guy his size he goes down fairly easily and Gronk is like a tank. Graham also drops some easy passes, and Gronk seems to rarely ever drop the ball. I love Graham, one of my best draft picks in either league, but I would rather have Gronk in any format.
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Ha, my brother said to this me during last week's game.... and then Graham busted a deep pass sideline pattern that he nearly took all the way for a TD. The game breaking long score vs San Fran in last year's playoff game? The guy can run after the catch. He has had a problem with drops this year though.With Gronk and Graham it's all about the TD's, Gronk just gets more chances in the end zone.

 
Todays game is one more reason I would take Gronk. No way in hell is Gronk on the sideline in the redzone or really anytime, unless of course he has a broken forearm. I saw so many sets today that Graham was not in, the announcers never once said anything about injury or sickness so I have to think that was what NO thought was best and was by design. You deserve to lose when you leave your best weapon on the bench while healthy.

 
'DesmondBishop said:
Todays game is one more reason I would take Gronk. No way in hell is Gronk on the sideline in the redzone or really anytime, unless of course he has a broken forearm. I saw so many sets today that Graham was not in, the announcers never once said anything about injury or sickness so I have to think that was what NO thought was best and was by design.
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As a Graham owner, I fully agree. Couldn't believe how many times Graham was on the sidelines. Figured that in those instances, the play call would be an obvious running situation, but there were plenty of passing plays as well. Seems clear that they didn't trust Graham enough to block against the ferocious 49ers front.That's not to say that Graham isn't great in his own right - he certainly is. Just that when they play good defensive lines, his numbers may suffer a bit vis-a-vis Gronk.
 
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